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Old 09-17-2005, 07:05 PM
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There is no free will regarding morality. Man is born depraved, according to the Bible, my own mirror and my life experience. No choice here.

Christianity teaches that people are unable to be good by their own efforts. I see selfshiness and egocentrism in my 2 year old niece !

What happens is that socialization puts a restrainer on people's behavior. Fear to go to jail, to be ostracized. This is not the same as godliness that comes from the heart.

Of course, even after receiving Christ the Christian still sins (sometimes a lot). But he has a chance to sin less, as long as he asks for God to help him live the life God wants us to live. Freedom from sin only after you die.

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Old 09-17-2005, 07:06 PM
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No Hope,


Is this thread for insulting people for no apparent reason or is it supposed to have a point to it?


I can't seem to prevent it so go for you life if that's what you enjoy.

Just seems rather pointless, aside from that dunce cap you're so enamoured with.
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Old 09-17-2005, 07:15 PM
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There is no free will regarding morality. Man is born depraved, according to the Bible, my own mirror and my life experience. No choice here.
Morality is subjective and in dealing with christianity and other religions, entirely related to what new schism or rewrite is happening and influencing the following generations.


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Christianity teaches that people are unable to be good by their own efforts. I see selfshiness and egocentrism in my 2 year old niece !
She may see find your behaviour equally disturbing according to her beliefs.

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What happens is that socialization puts a restrainer on people's behavior. Fear to go to jail, to be ostracized. This is not the same as godliness that comes from the heart.
I don't believe that goodness and godness are the same thing necessarily, they can be, and often they can be polar opposites.

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Of course, even after receiving Christ the Christian still sins (sometimes a lot). But he has a chance to sin less, as long as he asks for God to help him live the life God wants us to live. Freedom from sin only after you die.
Sounds like a defeatist kind of attitude to me. But if it works for you, wear it like a frock I say.
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Old 09-17-2005, 07:21 PM
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No Hope,


Is this thread for insulting people for no apparent reason or is it supposed to have a point to it?


I can't seem to prevent it so go for you life if that's what you enjoy.

Just seems rather pointless, aside from that dunce cap you're so enamoured with.
Hmmm, yes. I'm the one with the small closed mind are I not? Isn't it funny how open minds are always full of shit? :-P
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Old 09-17-2005, 07:26 PM
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What am I supposedly full of shit about, No Hope.

You insulted my opinion earlier, then proceeded to mince about much like a hooligan clown or something.
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Old 09-17-2005, 07:29 PM
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Nex,

You are so pretentious, man. I am a defeatist because I admit that I sin ? I can tell you, you probably sin 10 times more than I do, but you parade yourself as someone who will achieve sinless perfection. Look yourself in the mirror, I say. You probably screwed someone today or had an evil thought in the last 5 minutes. Are you never jealous, envious, angry ?

I can tell you that only Jesus gave me strength to sin less. He puts a big red sign before my eyes when I am about to sin. I was pretty fucked up before that.

The problem is that you, as all new agers, believe in the relativism of morality. It takes a lot of blind faith and romaticism to do it. Let someone take your wallet or kick you in the butt and you will see that morality is very absolute and easy to define.

God is the parameter of morality. Without Him, we would be only machines, free to do whatever was best for us. I used to be an existencialist until I saw the absurd that it is to have morals without God. Without God, killing another person means absolutely the same as being good. Who could judge what was best ? Why respect life if you die and there is nothing after it ? Nonsense.
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Old 09-17-2005, 07:31 PM
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What am I supposedly full of shit about, No Hope.

You insulted my opinion earlier, then proceeded to mince about much like a hooligan clown or something.
What's wrong Nex, having memory lapse? And you say I'm enamoured with the dunce cap?
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Old 09-17-2005, 07:45 PM
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You're a good sport, Nex. Had fun talkin' shit to you, man. Come back soon. :-P
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Old 09-17-2005, 07:51 PM
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Nex,

You are so pretentious, man. I am a defeatist because I admit that I sin ? I can tell you, you probably sin 10 times more than I do, but you parade yourself as someone who will achieve sinless perfection. Look yourself in the mirror, I say. You probably screwed someone today or had an evil thought in the last 5 minutes. Are you never jealous, envious, angry ?
I do bad things, yes.. and good things. Íf you get the impression that I'm parading, then apologies. No, no evil thought in the last 5 minutes that I can point a stick at. I do however resent your implications that you and I are equal because of your faith of a God I probably don't share in, on any shared level.

That is by far more pretentious to me. You telling me the "truth". Christianity and it's wars, it's vile crimes, oscillations on "morality", and the door to door mosquito like nuisance it often presents as.

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I can tell you that only Jesus gave me strength to sin less. He puts a big red sign before my eyes when I am about to sin. I was pretty fucked up before that.
If it works for you, then good luck.

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The problem is that you, as all new agers, believe in the relativism of morality. It takes a lot of blind faith and romaticism to do it. Let someone take your wallet or kick you in the butt and you will see that morality is very absolute and easy to define.
Morality for me, or part of is having to deal with spiritualists so convinced that they have the key to their own salvations, they can't seem to mind their own salvations and leave other's out. Especially when they inflict their religions into government and public policy. The morality part is not necking them on the spot for intrusion into my belief system.

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God is the parameter of morality. Without Him, we would be only machines, free to do whatever was best for us. I used to be an existencialist until I saw the absurd that it is to have morals without God. Without God, killing another person means absolutely the same as being good. Who could judge what was best ? Why respect life if you die and there is nothing after it ? Nonsense.
You make some leap of faiths not applicable to this conversation and seem genuinely concerned about subjecting another into your realm of fantasy and hocus pocus.

Like I said, whatever floats your boat. Keep your boat out of my waters and we're all happy.

Enter my waters in RL, and see how much sleep I regularly don't lose out on slamming doors on your faces, and tossing your noxious pieces of pulp literature in the bin.

Peace Godrod

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Old 09-17-2005, 07:54 PM
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You're a good sport, Nex. Had fun talkin' shit to you, man. Come back soon. :-P

If the old adage is true, and canines resemble their owners, I suspect you own a small yappish dog that runs into sliding glass doors on a daily basis.
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