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Old 09-22-2005, 07:41 AM
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All I can say, having known many babies, is that they don't have a clue about right and wrong until they see an angry face or get a slap on the hand. In fact, it is the contrary: they say everything belongs to them, take anything they want, punch the friends all the time.

But even if this were true, it doesn't support the idea of morals being connected to race. It would be true for all humans.

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Old 09-22-2005, 08:02 AM
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No, but if it would be true it would support my idea that morals are not learned but that it is something we are born with. Where it comes from would be another matter.

But I agree, there's no point in taking this further since we're only speculating.

It WOULD of course be true for all humans, but that doesn't mean all humans would be on the same moral level. I happen to be (more and more) convinced that there is no equality among men and that that doesn't mean one man is "better" than the other, it just means we're not equal to eachother. We are equal in the eyes of God, but not necessarily compared to eachother.

Everyone has their spiritual road to walk, I have mine and someone else has theirs. I don't think we're automatically on the same road.

Quite simple really.

Like I said, the race of Spirit is paramount. I've even posted several things on this issue. We don't, as human beings, all belong to the same spiritual race.

But most people get the infamous 'slide reaction' - the kneejerk one - when the taboo word 'race' pops up. The NWO has managed to corrupt yet another key word/issue to the point of general, global self-censorship on the matter, all in the name of "Tolerance" - IN ABSURDUM, the false doctrine of "Equality" and "Political Correctness"; all Gramscian Communist tools of global subversion and mind control.

THE RESULT IS WILLING SPIRITUAL SELF-ANNIHILATION.

I will never and under no circumstances willingly annihilate my spiritual heritage and legacy.
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Old 09-22-2005, 08:23 AM
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How can we even know whether morals are learned or are something you are born with?

It's a subject for interpretation unless there have been specific studies conducted and I would have to say that the only research out there is "classified."

I believe morals are learned in relation to your environment.

and, I'm not suggesting the only environment that plays a role is that within the household.

Many factors are to be considered.

and

those would include what THEY expose us to through the manipulation of our reality from cradle to grave.

The environment they create for us.
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Old 09-22-2005, 09:05 AM
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All I'm saying is that you can't measure spiritual things with material measures.

One measures material things by material measures and spiritual things by spiritual measures.

You can't ask for "scientific proof" of where morals come from, but that doesn't mean that it is IMPOSSIBLE to know, by other means!!!

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly things?
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Old 09-22-2005, 09:43 AM
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I wonder where he got the information that only four Jews have served in Iraq.. Could that be right?
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Old 09-22-2005, 09:57 AM
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I don't know.

As far as I know plenty of Mossad sayanim and Special Forces have been in and out of Iraq the last at least 10 years, but of course that would be unconfirmed speculation. ;-)

And that female soldier showing off her Star of David tattoo in Abu Ghraib prison...
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Old 09-22-2005, 04:16 PM
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Oh, come on!!

Jews don't serve in the military on the front lines!!
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Old 09-22-2005, 04:34 PM
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I wonder where he got the information that only four Jews have served in Iraq.. Could that be right?
Its probably a few more than that, and they

forgot to mention that they served their

time in Washington directing everything.

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Old 09-22-2005, 05:14 PM
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sablefish wrote:
I wonder where he got the information that only four Jews have served in Iraq.. Could that be right?
Its probably a few more than that, and they

forgot to mention that they served their

time in Washington directing everything.

:-D
A few more than that!!

Oh, so, what?

about seven total!!

Okay!!
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Old 09-22-2005, 06:12 PM
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Thumper wrote:
one thing Edgar misses is problem, reaction solution. He only sees the action, when he should really be looking at the REACTION.

Anti-semitism laws aren't designed to curb hate, they are designed to CREATE HATRED. I've argued the same thing with the Muslim community in Europe. They are seemingly untouchable from criticism, and this only makes the native population more and more antagonistic towards them.

To have someone creating trouble, and then publicy showing that they are beyond reproach on sows seeds of discord. Wasn't anti-semitism a crime under Lenin? Look at what happened soon afterward...
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It's all in my head, as I was told!!![/quote]
BlueAngel, I hope you don’t mind, but this kind of stuff is interesting enough that it deserves its own “thread”.
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It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I'm here, JIMBO, alive, walking this planet, a survivor of MKULTRA/Project Monarch and for that I am THANKFUL!!!
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Mind Control is a SUBJECT of great concern to me because it involves more than just "programming" a slave for some future mission.
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
When one thinks of mind control they usually equate it to a Manchurian Candidate. That does not even cover the spectrum of what is involved in their programs; particuarly Project Monarch, which is trauma-based.
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I know that government conspiracies are real. I know that our government is corrupt. Both parties. So, if that was their goal for my future, I have no allegiance to either.
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I have allegiance to my country. The America that should be!
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Maybe people do lie to themselves to mask the reality that they lived, but as far as mind control victims are concerned most times the reality that they lived is so horrific that blocking it was the only way they survived.
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
THEY DO NOT REMEMBER and, therefore, are not lying to themselves or anyone else. They can have dozens of alters. Psychological warfare ensues.
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Coupled with hypnosis, electricshock, drugs, sleep, water, food, sensory deprivation, etc., etc., etc., false memories implanted doesn't really allow all of the REAL memories and the entire picture to evolve once a victim/survivor is triggered into remembering their past abuse and incarceration in one of these programs.
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Trauma too horrible for the mind to endure is FORGOTTEN. Compartmentalized. This, the only way for mind control victims to survive the abuse. The brain's self-defense.
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I was replying to NOMAD about the "Whiz Kid" and just making some general remarks as to memories I have as a child that seemed to parallel his experience. I was interested in his story and the fact that he was institutionalized because he was a threat to THEM and not himself.
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I'd ultimately LOVE to interview him.
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
JIMBO, I'm 48 years old...soon to be 49. I only uncovered this past life of mine about four years ago.
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
That, my friend, is the essence and depth of mind control. The victim is unaware for decades that they were sujected to such vicious manipulation, control and abuse.
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
When the memories surface, the question remains for those who are alive and were not killed or snuffed out in porn films. WHY?
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I admire Henry's work. And, by the way, I say "Oh, Henry," like the candy bar.
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I know that there are many more like him who have been working behind the scenes for decades to uncover this CULT.
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I am open to feedback and any answers you may have are certainly welcome!!
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
InPeace,
BlueAngel
Wow,... that's pretty wild. I have read about
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
MKULTRA before, sometimes articles written by survivors like yourself, but I never thought I was going to meet anyone that had gone through like what you just described. A lot of bizarre stuff happening in our world. I’m speechless,…
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I am kind of tired now, but perhaps another time I’ll have the mental energy to continue…
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BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Here are some links you might find interesting.
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It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
How to Block Microwave Mind-Programming Signals
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/blockingmwsignals8may03.shtml
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