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Old 10-04-2005, 01:14 PM
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As far as George Orwell, how did this man know what he did about the future?
George Orwell was a fairly high ranking member of a number of socialist and Communist organizations in the UK.. the works he produced were not so much products of his imagination, as they were outlines, plans and documents that the Communists had for how to take over the world, set forth in the form of novels..

Ever heard of the Rockefeller-backed Trilateral Commission (the guys who put Jimmy Carter in office)? Oceania, Eurasia, Eastasia?? Starting to all make sense??

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Old 10-04-2005, 01:21 PM
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Most of the characterization of antiChrist comes from Daniel and Revelations. Even a casual reading shows this. In daniel, AC's kingdom comes in sucession after other world kingdoms such as Persia, Greece, Rome, etc. In revelation, it says the leaders of the world will give up their power to AC.
He will be the leader of a ten kingdom confederacy that will rule ALL nations.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

How can anyone read the verses above and think that the pathetic Crowley was the AC is beyond my mind.

You say the Bible is not a history book: It is not ? What do you call stories about a people with the names of kings, the exact dates ? If it is not historic, I don't what else is.

The IDEA of antiChrist comes from the Bible. Crowley is famous only as the pathetic opposer of the Bible. Without God to be opposed to, Satan would have nothing to say. I mean, if we don't take the Bible seriously and literally, why care about their enemies ? Just be a materialist, an atheist.

As I said before, a revelation from God that can't be understood as it is would be a waste of time, totally useless.

If the Bible is such a fantasy, why even engage in a discussion like this ? I really don't understand.
The Bible is a work of historical fiction. It's based loosely on historical facts, but there's much interpolation and fabrication woven into the OT so as to set forth a very specific political agenda.

Shakespeare might be a good analogy. Like the Bible, Shakespeare's works belie a great and deep understanding of the human spirit, sin and ultimate redemption. And, like the Bible, many of Shakespeare's works are "historical" in nature.. but would a person reading Shakespeare 3,000 years from now be able to discern that King Richard III was a "real" King of England but that King Lear was merely fiction? Moreover, would you trust Shakespeare's account of King Richard III to be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth concerning the reign of this monarch (or any monarch of whom Shakespeare writes?)

The histories contained in the Bible are of a similar character. Some are based on genuine historical personalities, others are almost complete fabrications.. but in all cases, a very specific political agenda is being set forth, and as such, much of the "historical" information documented in the Bible should not be trusted as an objective record of what actually happened in those days and places (I have in mind esp the OT here..)
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Old 10-04-2005, 02:16 PM
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Aleister Crowley was bored and rich homosexual with too much time, money and libido.

And the devils then... he was a junkie, too.
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Old 10-04-2005, 03:10 PM
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The Bible is a work of historical fiction. It's based loosely on historical facts, but there's much interpolation and fabrication woven into the OT so as to set forth a very specific political agenda
What??????????????????????????
From an academic and archeological standpoint, that is false.

No other ancient litature that stands up to reliability and validity tests more than the Bible. If you can make that wild claim about the Old Testement, then you must feel that all ancient text are bogus because no other ancient text has the academic reliability the Bible does. So throw out Plato, throw out Socrates, all of them, you see, they have fewer copies of ancient manuscripts and they do not stand up nearly well to literary scrutiny.

Do you have any evidence to support your opinion? I am not talking speculative but hard evidence. I thought the debunkers gave up years ago, as more and more archeological evidence made them red faced. What is your source? I find this area interesting, thanks.
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As far as George Orwell, how did this man know what he did about the future?
George Orwell was a fairly high ranking member of a number of socialist and Communist organizations in the UK.. the works he produced were not so much products of his imagination, as they were outlines, plans and documents that the Communists had for how to take over the world, set forth in the form of novels..

Ever heard of the Rockefeller-backed Trilateral Commission (the guys who put Jimmy Carter in office)? Oceania, Eurasia, Eastasia?? Starting to all make sense??
Yes, I've heard of both Rockefeller and the Trilateral Commission. Seems that commission keeps knocking on my door!! One day, I'm going to open up and let them in. Been knocking for years!!!

I understand that Orwell's work were not the products of imagination, but why publish so much of the TRUTH?

I might be thick-headed, but as far as communism, fascism, I consider them basically the same type of political systems to a certain degree. Both require dictatorships.

So, they stole their technology, their plans, what else?
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psholtz wrote:
The Bible is a work of historical fiction. It's based loosely on historical facts, but there's much interpolation and fabrication woven into the OT so as to set forth a very specific political agenda

I'd have to agree to a certain degree with psholtz' comment as I wrote earlier in this thread that I believe the BIBLE to be a magnificient "fairy tale" concocted by a bunch of Satanists; perhaps.

Just as with all that they do, it, too, has a little fact mixed with a whole lot of fiction.

And, as psholtz wrote, it serves a very specific political agenda.

I think somewhere around here NOMAD posted a comment about JESUS that was quite funny and enlightening at the same time.
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Old 10-04-2005, 04:57 PM
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The Bible is a work of historical fiction. It's based loosely on historical facts, but there's much interpolation and fabrication woven into the OT so as to set forth a very specific political agenda
What??????????????????????????
From an academic and archeological standpoint, that is false.

No other ancient litature that stands up to reliability and validity tests more than the Bible. If you can make that wild claim about the Old Testement, then you must feel that all ancient text are bogus because no other ancient text has the academic reliability the Bible does. So throw out Plato, throw out Socrates, all of them, you see, they have fewer copies of ancient manuscripts and they do not stand up nearly well to literary scrutiny.

Do you have any evidence to support your opinion? I am not talking speculative but hard evidence. I thought the debunkers gave up years ago, as more and more archeological evidence made them red faced. What is your source? I find this area interesting, thanks.
This is precisely the type of fanatacism that has all but destroyed Western culture, and this is precisely the attitude/response the NWO wants the public to exhibit whenever someone speaks the Truth..

Concerning Plato and Socrates, I'm not sure either of them ever wrote on the subject of history (Atlantis aside). You may be confusing them w/ the Greek historian Herodotus, or perhaps Hesiod, and yet here is precisely where we can start our story, since never of these two eminent Greek historians ever makes mention of a might Solomonic kingdom having once ruled Levant from "mighty" Jerusalem..

If you feel the OT is soo scientifically reliable, perhaps you'd like to cite a few references as to where and what it's so reliable about. In the meantime, I'll cite a few references where the Bible is clearly in the error:

* The Universe was not created 6,000 years ago
* The Universe was not created in 6 years
* The entire human race did not descend from 2 "perfect" humans, Adam and Eve
* The human race is older than 6,000 years
* There was a Great Flood, but more people than just Noah survived it, at it was more like in 10,500 BC (rather than 3,000 BC as the Bible places it)
* Noah didn't bring "two of every species" onto his ark w/ him, and in all liklihood he probably never built an ark in the first place
* The Egyptians have no record of ever having kept 2,000,000 Hebrews as slaves, much less do they have any record of all these slaves leaving Egypt all at once (and remember, when talking about ancient Eygpt, you're talking about the people who built the pyramids, did brain surgery and knew that Sirius has a white dwarf orbiting it.. at least their great temples - the Pryamids - are still standing after 5,000 some-odd years, more than you can say about the Jewish temple in Jerusalem that keeps getting knocked down)
* There is no archaeological record of there ever having been an exodus from Egypt
* The "Law of Moses" - as its called - is decidedly Babylonian, and is probably a bad plagarism from the Code of Hammubari.. it's definately not Egyptian in character and an Egyptian prince (Moses) in all liklihood probably could not have produced it
* Animal slaughter and sacrifice (<- the favorite pastime of the OT Jews) is another decidedly Babylonian practice, and again something that the Hebrews could not have learned in Egypt
* Moses did not part the Red Sea
* Moses did not make water come out of a rock in the desert
* 2,000,000 people did not wander around aimlessly in the desert for 40 years
* Donkeys don't talk and issue prophecies (even if they belong to prophet named Balaam)
* Moses did not write Torah, more esp Deuteronomy, since the first verse of that book places the author on the West Bank of the Jordan (where Moses - allegedly - never set foot), and the final verses detail Moses funeral and the fact that "since the time of Moses, there hasn't been anyone nearly as cool" - implying a great passage of time between the time of Moses and the writing of Deuteronomy
* Joshua did not command the Sun to stop moving
* Joshua did not capture Jericho by blasting a trumpet 7 times
* In all liklihood, Joshua never existed or set foot in the Levant, since there's no archealogical record of a great "Hebrew invasion" into Canaan at that time frame
* There's no record of King David or King Solomon ever having existed
* There's no record of the (alleged) "First" temple (of Solomon) ever having existed.. in all liklihood, what passes as the "Second" Temple (of Christian times) was probably the "First" Temple..

I could keep going, but I'm starting to get bored and I think you're beginning to see the picture. So I'll tell you what the solution to the puzzle is: Judaism did not exist until 500 BC when it was invented by the Persian King Cyrus and a few Bablyonian Magi (w/ names like Ezra and Nehemiah), who took a modified form of Zoroastrianism into Judah (this modified form of Zoroastrianism eventually coming to be known after the land it was practiced in, Judah: Judaism) and they tried to convert the goat-herding shephards they found there in Jerusalem to follow their religion so as to set up a political "buffer zone" against Egypt (the other great political power in that region at that time).

Like Shakespeare, the authors of the OT (much of which was written no earlier than 500 BC, and rest of which is based on Babylonian legends brought w/ the Magi out of Babylon) were students of the human character, and their great is suffused w/ a great sense of the spiritual.. but underneath it all, it's all subsumsed w/ a great political agenda, esp anti-Egyptian propaganda .. i.e., these Babylonian Magi like Ezra and Nehemiah tried hard to convince the goat herding Canaanites that their ancestors were cruelly oppressed by the Egyptians, but that "Moses" (i.e., the Zoroastrian "Mazda") delivered them, and that their god (YHVH) was so power he could command the Sun to stop moving via his servant Joshua (the Egyptians worshipped the Sun, remember).

Ultimately, the OT seems to me to be little more than an ancient form of Scientology that's somehow persisted to the modern day. Much like modern Scientologists, those who practice the religion of the OT are very money oriented, they have a political agenda (take over Palestine, in this case), and the OT scriptures in and of themselves do not - to my mind - describe a "saving" religion... but that's just my opinion..
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Old 10-04-2005, 05:07 PM
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The Bible is a work of historical fiction. It's based loosely on historical facts, but there's much interpolation and fabrication woven into the OT so as to set forth a very specific political agenda
What??????????????????????????
From an academic and archeological standpoint, that is false.

No other ancient litature that stands up to reliability and validity tests more than the Bible. If you can make that wild claim about the Old Testement, then you must feel that all ancient text are bogus because no other ancient text has the academic reliability the Bible does. So throw out Plato, throw out Socrates, all of them, you see, they have fewer copies of ancient manuscripts and they do not stand up nearly well to literary scrutiny.

Do you have any evidence to support your opinion? I am not talking speculative but hard evidence. I thought the debunkers gave up years ago, as more and more archeological evidence made them red faced. What is your source? I find this area interesting, thanks.
There are also a bunch of really interesting historical anachronisms in the Torah, which betray the fact that it had a much later date of composition than is widely assumed.

For instance, if I told you that Cain called up his brother Abel on his cell phone, and told him to meet him in a park, where Cain proceeded to bash Abel's brains out, you would know - FOR A SCIENTIFIC FACT - that I could not have written that statement any earlier than about 1980, since cell phones did NOT EVEN EXIST prior to that date. Nobody had any concept of what a "cell phone" was before, or how it might work, or what it might look like, etc..

The Torah is full of such anachronisms, little slipups that might have seemed quite innocent to the authors of the document, but which - w/ the benefit of hindsight and history and archaeology - prove to us that the document is not "unerring Word of God".. One such incident is in Genesis 4 (just after the Cain and Abel mixup) where the Torah describes a man named "Tubal Cain" who is skilled at ironworking and metalworking.

OK, great. So Tubal Cain knows how to work w/ iron. The problem is, iron (i.e., the Iron Age) was not in existence in the Near East before about 1200 BC (or so) at the very earliest.. IT DID NOT EVEN EXIST as a technological tool/invention before that date. Thus at the very, very earliest, you're talking about the time frame in which Moses allegedly lived, not in the time frame in which Tubal Cain and Adam and the patriarchs (which would be about 4000/3000 BC or so, I suppose). And, like I said before, in all liklihood, you're probably really dealing w/ a document that did not come into full being until more like 500 BC (based on other anachronisms, analysis, etc)

If you seek the Word of God, look for it in the works of Creation that could not have been authored by the hand of man. Any book, no matter how "holy" it's regarded as being, simply is not meet this standard, as its quite obviously written by the very falliable "hand of man"..
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Parted the sea; walked on water; healed the sick; came back to life and on and on and on!!!

And, after all this time, not one single similar piece of "magic."

No one else walking on water, parting the sea, healing the sick with the touch of his hand and rising from the dead.

No one!!

Just chaos, confusion, sick, suffering and on and on and on.

Why would JESUS or GOD sit back and allow the Illuminati to destroy the world???

Because they don't like us? Because they think we brought this on ourselves? Because we are evil? Because we are not perfect?

Why?

They can't fight the Devil/Satanism?

Why not?

Jesus walked on water, parted the Red Sea, healed the sick with one touch of his hand.

So, where is he?

Hello, JEEESUZZZ!!!!

Come in!!!

We are all waiting for you to save us!!!
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Read II Thess.

That's an Epistle of Paul

That's in the Bible - the New Testament part.
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