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Old 01-27-2005, 06:05 AM
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Default Freemasonry May have been Revolutionary in the U.S or Europe But was Conservative In Australia.


:-? I wanted to know why so many of you on this site think Freemasonry is a subversive ideological movement as well as a creed!
In Australia Freemasons are not fabians communists or revolutionarys or any of these terms many of you like to label them as and never have been.
In Australia for example one would have a high professional standing for example to be doctor or lawyer or even Police officer before they would even be invited to join!.
Futhermore Australia had the British version of the craft that being the York rite masonry.According to what i have been reading recently about freemasonry in Australia.This rite was always conservative even from its beginings in England 1717. It was also very pro Monarchy and conservative rather than pro Republican or revolutionary.
As for Freemasonry being revolutionary apprently that is only the modus opprendi of Grand Orient Masonry of which Australia has never had any such rite.
Although i understand the U.S has had lodges since the the War of Independence.
This could help to explain why so many of Nth americans here think it is a subversive organisation for socialism while most Austrlians simply see it as a harmless old fashioned conservative civic organisation with strange rituals.
However Freemasonry is generally viewed by most Australians as not sinister period.
Indeed their is hardly a town or city in Australia that doesnt have a typical usually 1920s vintage Masonic lodge close to its Mainstreet.Our War Memorials for those that served and died WW1 were also designed and built by Masons that is why they generally in the shape of obelisks. Your Global feedback on this would be apprecited.
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Old 01-27-2005, 10:09 AM
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I'll agree to disagree, with you Ozzie, on this one.
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Old 01-28-2005, 03:53 AM
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:-o Nice off the cuff remark mary!.Disagree Mary and what are your reasons for disagreement!

Have you ever been downunder! What do you know about the History of Freemasonry in Australia or Australian History in general for that matter!.

I have just been reading book on the subject as it relates to Australian history it is called the "Secret Empire of the Union jack" freemasonry 1890 - 1950 in Australia.
It also tells me how the Freemasons were very much involved in secret militias in the interwar years to combat communism and the Trade Unions generally.
One these groups was quite notorious over here it was called the New Guard under the name of wwi veteran called Eric campbell. It was one these that cut the ribbon on the sydney harbour bridge in 1932 to upstage the NSW preimer a Jack Lang ALP Irish catholic.(a big deal in anglo australia back then.The CEC over here has also revealed that many masons were working hand in glove with the New Guard in the 1930s.

So before you start blurting rubbish mary get your facts straight or atleast attempt to know what you are talking about!. :-o
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Are you always so spiteful?
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Old 01-28-2005, 07:11 AM
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:-) Ofcause not! But atleast give me the time of day with out silly remarks!. :-)
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I completely disagree with the secret satanic global society of satan's minions called Freemasonry.

Some know, some don't. Clear enough?
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Old 01-29-2005, 08:53 PM
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:roll: So are any of you going to bother responding to the important issue of this thread or is it too much of challenge to your perceived notion of one big socialist plot for everything.
You might like to check out some of your own shadowy history in regards to interwar militias. The U.S had them also very similar to Australias and no doubt also aided and abetted by Freemasonry as was the kkk.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/11g.htm

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html
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i agree with you on this one ... the york segment,of which my dad was a member, of the masonic lodge appears to be a different animal altogether than the scottish rite,as a couple members tried to point out and were shouted down and driven away . the impact and significance of freemasonry in NWO discussion is greatly exaggerated. also,i would point out, the relevance of religion is downplayed in a similar manner,while we read posts about space aliens in underground bases . some of the more important issues are being left unexplored,while the ridiculous is discussed in detail.
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i agree with you on this one ... the york segment,of which my dad was a member, of the masonic lodge appears to be a different animal altogether than the scottish rite,as a couple members tried to point out and were shouted down and driven away . the impact and significance of freemasonry in NWO discussion is greatly exaggerated. also,i would point out, the relevance of religion is downplayed in a similar manner,while we read posts about space aliens in underground bases . some of the more important issues are being left unexplored,while the ridiculous is discussed in detail.
no disrespect billiard but maybe because your dad was a member, that might bias your opinion a bit. I hate to think that my 'most wise' parents are blind enough not to see that their church is going new age but they are. Please don't hold back on any of your thoughts concerning religion.
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:-? Billard:
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the impact and significance of freemasonry in NWO discussion is greatly exaggerated. also,i would point out, the relevance of religion is downplayed in a similar manner,while we read posts about space aliens in underground bases . some of the more important issues are being left unexplored,while the ridiculous is discussed in detail.
Actually i dont believe the threat of Freemasonary is overrated at all.
My point is that Freemasonry as we in the cec like to is term it is a, synarchy movement.
A synarchy movement does have objective goals in its creed. However ideologically these goals can be any shade of the ideological spectrum they do not have to be soley one political position.

In Australia,s case and many other anglo commonwealth countries the history of Freemasonry was definately conservative or vearing to the right wing as I have been reading it was not all left wing in Australias case. As i said I have been reading they helped to organise Militias in defense of the mainly Agricultural Anglo Establishment in Australia during the 1920s and 30s at that time our ruling middle and upper classes were Protestant and Anglo and the working classes here traditionally Irish and catholic.
As many of you should know catholics were never originally welcome in freemasonry.

However that does not mean I dismiss the nefarious threat of freemasonry, not in the slightest i realise how evil it is in consensus with most posters here!. :-?
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