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Old 10-13-2005, 02:40 PM
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To be born again, as Jesus himself describes it, is to be born of the Spirit. That means that those who are not are in fact spiritually "dead".
Every religion has a cultural tradition of how much to accept as literal truth and how much to accept as allegory. The Spirit leads those into knowledge who are ready and able to accept it.
Jonathan Gray and other archeologists like him are proving every day that the OT historical accounts are extremely accurate.
So, don't believe anything without proof, or at least confirmation.

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Old 10-13-2005, 02:43 PM
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To be born again, as Jesus himself describes it, is to be born of the Spirit. That means that those who are not are in fact spiritually "dead".
Every religion has a cultural tradition of how much to accept as literal truth and how much to accept as allegory. The Spirit leads those into knowledge who are ready and able to accept it.
Jonathan Gray and other archeologists like him are proving every day that the OT historical accounts are extremely accurate.
So, don't believe anything without proof, or at least confirmation.
It can be proven that the Red Sea was parted?
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Old 10-13-2005, 02:45 PM
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Well, my Egyptian is a little rusty, but there's got to be a story about Pharao's army getting a nasty surprise? No?
Otherwise, I guess ya just had to be there.
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Old 10-13-2005, 02:56 PM
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Well, my Egyptian is a little rusty, but there's got to be a story about Pharao's army getting a nasty surprise? No?
Otherwise, I guess ya just had to be there.
The Egyptians have no record of ever having kept 2,000,000 Hebrew slaves, nor do they have any record of a prince named Moses ever having been born, nor do they have any record of 2,000,000 Hebrew slaves making a sudden exodus from Egypt.

This is significant, since if you're talking about the ancient Egyptians, you're talking about a people who built the Pyramids (<- which are still standing today, more than you can say for the "Temple" in Jerusalem), who did brain surgery and who knew that Sirius had a small white dwarf orbiting it (<- something we didn't "discover" until the 1920s or so).. and yes, the Egyptians kept rather precise records.

Kinda makes you wonder who to believe, doesn't it??..
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Old 10-13-2005, 03:53 PM
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Sure, based on extant and KNOWN records, it seems awfully flimsy.
But then, I have to wonder who is in control of which records reach the public and which ones are tucked away in a wooden crate in Washington somewhere.
Also, the temple's destruction was by divine will and was prophesied by many, including Jesus himself, with the approximate era included. I don't think God really cares much whether the pyramids stick around or not. Besides, the great pyramid is a big mechanical PA system. This is one of the "silent voice" techniques used today, and is based on this mystery of the pyramid (which is, incidentally, also known by the Masons). I.e., the voice is modulated with the resonant frequency of the ground on which we live, and the voice literally vibrates everywhere, as though the earth itself were speaking to us. It is a low, masculine voice that seems to feel like the bass is turned up too high on the stereo.
Perhaps you've heard it?
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Old 10-13-2005, 08:09 PM
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Psholtz, you should come and work for me, but then again you already do. Good work.
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:37 PM
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we've gone a little off topic. What do people think about humanity being millions of years old, versus just a few thousand?
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Old 10-14-2005, 07:18 AM
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Here's an exerpt from Jonathan Gray. If this is typical of many different sites, then the Tavistock time-table being shoved down our throats is obviously wrong.
In the United States in 1990, the bones of a beautifully preserved Tyrannosaurus Rex skeleton were unearthed. When these were brought to the Montana State University's laboratory, it was noticed that “some parts deep inside the long bone of the leg had not completely fossilized.” ( M.Schweitzer and T. Staedter, 'The Real Jurassic Park', Earth ,June 1997 pp. 55-57)
Mary Schweitzer and her co-workers took turns looking through a microscope at a thin section of this dinosaur bone, complete with blood vessel channels. She says: “The lab filled with murmurs of amazement, for I had focused on something inside the vessels that none of us had ever noticed before: tiny round objects, translucent red with a dark center. Then a colleague took one look at them and shouted, 'You've got red blood cells. You've got red blood cells!'”
Schweitzer says, “I got goose bumps. It was exactly like looking at a slice of modern bone.”
She confronted her boss, famous paleontologist
'Dinosaur' Jack Horner. “I can’t believe it,” she said. “The bones, after all, are 65 million years old. How could blood cells survive that long?”
The evidence that hemoglobin (the protein which makes blood red and carries oxygen) has indeed survived in this dinosaur bone casts immense doubt upon the 'millions of years' idea.
It hasn’t been so long!

If you would like to know more about this and related matters, please go to http://www.archaeologyanswers.com/first.php
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Old 10-15-2005, 09:44 PM
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There is no doubt in my mind that this world is four or five billion years old.. and that evolution.. thru the survival of the fittest is God's plan (If there is a terrestrial God)..

There is no doubt in my mind that there are millions of earths like ours that support life like ours in this universe that we live in... In fact, I don't doubt that there are an infinite number of worlds exactly similar to "our" own world.. I suspect that we are making choices and navigating the entire universe in each response that we make at each second.. Each of us traversing our own multi-universe in our own path of enlightenment.

I think quantum theory will prove this.

In the short span of time our world will be destroyed by a comet every 65 million years.. and wiped down to primitive life forms.. In the longer term "our" planet will be fried when the sun turns into a red giant in five billion years..

Unless the human race can figure out how to get the energy sources that enable interstellar, and intergalactic travel , "our" species and "our" religions are doomed... to stardust.
The idea that Buddha, or that Krishna, or that Jesus, or that there is any "God" at all.. is unlikely..

More than likely the truth is that we don't understand the true nature of the universe that we were thrust into by our birth.. and seek to use three or four dimensional models to describe an 11 dimensional experience.
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Old 10-16-2005, 07:46 AM
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EVOLUTION AND OCCULT THOUGHT



Very few people are aware of the events that led to the presentation of Charles Darwin’s theories on origins to Great Britain’s 19th Century scientific community. Darwin was aided in his research by his very close friend, Charles Lyell. Lyell stood by the reluctant Darwin for more than twenty years of painstaking research in the development of his theories. Additionally, Darwin was not a seeker of fame and notoriety. As a matter of fact, he was very hesitant to bring his work into the public forum of the intellectual community. (5)



However, the day arrived that Darwin was forced to publicly present his theories or else not only be upstaged by another, but witness the loss of all of his efforts. In 1855, Darwin received a copy of a paper written by Alfred Russell Wallace that detailed the same theories that he himself painstakingly developed over the course of 20 years. Darwin then immediately, at Lyell’s urging, began writing his infamous work, The Origin of Species. Both Darwin and Russell, however, were seeking the missing key component—the mechanism by which one species could effectively change into another. (The problem with the absence of such a mechanism is obvious, for there is absolutely no evidence [scientific or otherwise] that provides any proof that one species has or ever will evolve into another species.)



Three years after sending his paper on origins to Darwin, Wallace became very ill while living on the island of Ternate. In the violent throes of a debilitating fever, a vision of the missing mechanism came to him in a “moment’s revelation.” Wallace then sent that mechanism, The Survival of the Fittest, to Darwin. The Ternate Paper contained “in complete form, what is today known as the Darwinian Theory of Evolution…” (6) In reality, the circumstantial evidence strongly suggests that Darwin plagiarized many of the key concepts of the infamous Origin if Species from Wallace’s work. However, since Wallace was closer to New Guinea than to London when the presentation time arrived, the concepts presented to the Linnean Society in July of 1858 became known as the Darwin/Wallace Theory.



That, of course, is not the entire story. Alfred Russell Wallace not only received the “vision” of The Survival of the Fittest to complete the evolutionary lie of Lucifer while delirious with fever, but Wallace harbored a much darker side. During his early life, Wallace traveled to the Amazon and befriended Indians who shared with him their “black arts.” Wallace then began to dabble in Spiritism, and he was openly ridiculed for his membership in the Society for Psychical Research. The extreme level that he became involved in the occult resulted in his virtual expulsion from Britain’s intellectual community, not to mention the removal of his name from the Darwinian theories



In the case of his Ternate Paper, the method of scientific discovery utilized by Wallace went beyond the unorthodox into the realm of the metaphysical. As a matter of fact, revelations such as his are not uncommon in the realm of the “occult sciences” and, from a biblical perspective; this experience can be accurately placed into the category of demonic communication methodology. (The Koran was communicated to the illiterate Mohammed in the midst of similar convulsions.)



The point here, however, is a specific demonic connection to the public presentation and proliferation of evolutionary theories into mainstream society. Additionally, few realize that the men of the 19th Century who shaped the evolutionary and socialistic philosophies destined to permeate the future of mainstream society had little in common, and most were not formerly educated as scientists. Charles Darwin had a degree in theology, Charles Lyell was a lawyer, Thomas Huxley had a dubious degree in medicine, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck and Herbert Spencer had no formal education, and Hegel and Marx had degrees in philosophy. There was, however, one thing that each of these men shared—a hatred of God and biblical Christianity.



Based on all of the above, there should be no surprise in learning that occult philosophies and pagan religions operate from a baseline of evolutionary thought. These evolutionary principles within the occult world are actually based on another lie that Lucifer told Eve in the Garden of Eden: “Ye shalt be as gods…” New Agers, witches, and adherents to other earth-based religions believe that man is divine and simply needs to discover or develop the god or goddess within. In addition, New Age practitioners such as Jean Houston teach that man is still evolving to a new evolutionary level---from homo sapiens to homo noeticus; and the concept of homo noeticus, the god-man, is actively promoted by organizations such as the Institute of Noetic Sciences, led by former NASA astronaut, Ed Mitchell.



Therefore, the Theory of Evolution did not only originate within an occult framework, but is absolutely the key in understanding occult philosophies. For if one fails to realize that occultists believe the universe evolved from a primary energy source which it deems as “god,” “the force,” or “the mother goddess”---no understanding of occult philosophy will ever be reached. In addition, the occult world holds to the notion that this “energy” or “force” indwells everyone and everything. This all-indwelling force is termed immanence. Immanence is one of the foundational principles of the occult world, and this indwelling force is seen by occultists as the evolutionary impetus that has implemented the cosmic changes that will eventually lead to the emergence of homo noeticus—the god-man.
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