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Old 10-24-2005, 03:50 AM
Shannow Shannow is offline
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Default Re: Discoverer Of Avian Bird Flu Speaks - "You're all talking a load of shit".


truebeliever,
Thanks, I missed the article.

I can't beleive how many people at work are scared out of their wits about the disease.

I keep asking them "how many people have passed it on to another person ?"...None.

"What if the flu that went through work three months ago (i.e. higly transmissable) decide to mutate into deadliness ?"

"It couldn't, could it ?"

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Old 10-24-2005, 03:54 AM
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That's really not how I understood the article, but perhaps I misread.

If you have a parrot that has been imported to another country, fine, I get that.

But, what I thought I read was that the birds with the virus were taken from Canada to another country to be killed.

I'm wondering why?

If they've got the virus, isn't it best to leave them in one place? KILL THEM THERE.

Seems to me, if you're moving them from place to place you are potentially spreading the virus.

Oh, yeah, but that was probably their reasoning.

What was I thinking?
nope,
a large number of pigeons were being imported into Australia for pigeon racing, and some of them tested positive for exposure to bird flu.

They got put down.

Wonder when the "equine flu" is going to hit, as we are currently importing racing horses for the Melbourne Cup etc, and using less than rigorous quarantine on these high performance animals.
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Old 10-24-2005, 04:21 AM
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Default Re: Avian influenza A(H5N1) - update 28: Reports of infection in domestic cats

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If EVER there was a bigger beat up...well there is'nt.

Whats so terribly funny is that to ACTUALLY make a viable immunization shot...wait for it...it's REALLY ironic...the "scientists" have to "make" a version of the virus that ACTUALLY jumps from bird to human! :-D

So in order to fight the "thing" they fear most...the scientists have to actually "make" it...

Oh the irony!

Is'nt it strange how all of a sudden these things are appearing now. For thousands of years bird flu has been around but apparently only now it has become a problem.

"They" must think we're really fucking stupid...

Their opinion of the intelligence of the world

is not very high at all ... and with the reaction

they caused can you blame them ???

The power of the monopoly media to make white

appear as black is indeed amazing. The media

lords are living the alchemist's dream.
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Old 10-24-2005, 04:31 AM
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Default Re: Avian influenza A(H5N1) - update 28: Reports of infection in domestic cats

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The power of the monopoly media to make white appear as black is indeed amazing.
And this is the point...people in the field are L-A-U-G-H-I-N-G at the media reporting. This is TRUELY white being sold as black.

I urge people to go to that link I posted and watch the discoverer of Avian Bird Flu - Grahem Laver, in no uncertain terms basicaly tell the panel of "experts" that they were talking S-H-I-T...i say again, S-H-I-T...and if you missed it one more time, S-H-I-T...and just for the record, S-H-I-T...did I mention S-H-I-T?

And what did these panel of experts reply to this mans total discrediting of the whole debacle? N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Thats right, after telling us we're all going to die horrible deaths hacking on our own lung tissue...and then having a fellow expert tell them they're full of it, they say N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Literally. They actually do NOT reply to this man. Right in your face.
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Old 10-24-2005, 05:58 AM
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Default Flu victims may be locked up

Really? Well, well, well. And we thought a spectacular mushroom cloud was required?

Bird flu crap is falling apart as we speak. Prepare for new "news speak" any day. How about "Swahili Pussy Cat Cough"...dont laugh! Many a pussy cat laughed and did not live to tell the tail. Scoff if you dare!

What about "Peak Oil"? Been done...hmmmm. I think they should bring back...

Super Volcano! Thats always had a ring to it.

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By Tanya Giles and Gerard McManus

October 24, 2005

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Dead duck ... a carcass on the water in the Eskilstuna River, near Stockholm, Sweden. A duck died in the river last week from bird flu / AP[img align=right]http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5065487,00.jpg[/img]

HEALTH officials and police have sweeping powers to confine people in their homes and fine them $20,000 for breaching orders if a deadly flu pandemic strikes here.

People suspected of coming into contact with the virus or showing signs of being infected could be forced into home detention and have their movements restricted under the plan.

In extreme cases, police would be called in to arrest people who refuse to comply with orders and detain them in quarantine to control an outbreak.

Blood tests could be conducted on those suspected of carrying the virus, by force if necessary.

Victorian health authorities are also prepared to close schools or limit large gatherings to control its spread.

The revelations came as fresh outbreaks of avian flu were reported around the world, including in Britain where a parrot was confirmed to have died from the H5N1 strain of the virus.

A dead duck in Sweden was found to have carried the influenza, while Russia has also reported a fresh outbreak of the H5N1 strain that has killed 60 people in Asia.

There are also reports of new cases in Croatia.

Labor's Julia Gillard said yesterday Australia's hospitals were not equipped to deal with a large flu pandemic and said they should immediately be given more money.

"I think it's prudent to be preparing," the health spokeswoman said.

Ms Gillard said that although human-to-human transmission had not occurred, hospitals were already over-stretched.

Prime Minister John Howard said there was no need to spend more money on a possible pandemic.

However, he said a two-day test run of a human flu outbreak by state and federal agencies, and hospitals next month would reveal if the country was ready to handle a bird flu crisis.

Australia's Health Minister Tony Abbott is heading to Canada for a meeting with 30 other health ministers on how to deal with the threat of a bird flu outbreak.

Health workers and police have been already armed under the Victorian Health Act with powers to use "any force necessary" to make people comply.

A spokesman for the Department of Human Services said yesterday chief health officer Dr Robert Hall had emergency powers available to confine or quarantine people if there was a risk to public health.

Isolation orders are for a maximum of 28 days, with the option of extending quarantine for a further 28 days at a time.

Under the Act, people who knowingly or recklessly infect another person face hefty fines of up to $20,000.

The emergency powers are seen as the most effective way of restricting the spread of deadly viruses in the early stages of an outbreak.

If left unchecked, a pandemic affecting Australia in the absence of a vaccine or treatment over six to eight weeks could result in 13,000 to 44,000 deaths and 57,000 to 148,000 people hospitalised, according to health authorities.

The Federal Government's pandemic flu plan says "people may be quarantined in their own homes or in another facility. In most cases, quarantine is voluntary, however state, territory and the Australian governments have authority to compel quarantine to protect the public".

Premier Steve Bracks said yesterday the Victorian Government had protocols in place to deal with any outbreak of bird flu and would review them in consultation with the Federal Government if necessary.

Health authorities interstate and overseas are preparing similar emergency powers to halt the spread of the bird flu.

New South Wales is developing a disaster plan enabling emergency powers to be invoked to prevent suspected sufferers from leaving their homes.

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The nerve!

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In extreme cases, police would be called in to arrest people who refuse to comply with orders and detain them in quarantine to control an outbreak.

Blood tests could be conducted on those suspected of carrying the virus, by force if necessary.

Health workers and police have been already armed under the Victorian Health Act with powers to use "any force necessary" to make people comply.
How the hell are these fools getting away with this? This is some of the most over the top crap i have ever read. How many more of these furfies can we stand?
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Old 10-24-2005, 07:02 AM
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The video PANDEMIC is outrageous!

truebeliever's quotes of GRAEME LAVER appear in part 2 at time 7:30.

Here are some excerpts from BIRD FLU, LIBERTY, AND QUARANTINE

President Bush is asking Congress to supersede the American traditional possee comitatus and allow federal use of armed troops to perform the police function of keeping sick people in and well people out of those streets, towns, cities, or sections of the country where Bird Flu will rage, sicken, and kill.

The Patriot Act has a clause that allows a Governor to declare a state of medical emergency that imposes martial law, requires each person’s submission to the National Guard, demands relinquishing of personal firearms, and mandates involuntary vaccination, treatment, or quarantine. The President wants to commandeer each state’s National Guard and with the military perform those acts in case of Bird Flu.
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Finland will vaccinate its entire population against Bird Flu even though the precise flu strain is not known. Current vaccines may be partially or totally ineffective. Apparently Finnish medical authorities decided that partial immunity with a premature vaccine is better than no preparation. Finns also might need less new vaccine when one is finally created if they already have built up some immunity to earlier Bird Flu variants. They may be “teaching” Finnish immune systems to be better prepared when the actual mutational variant is discovered that will create a more exact antigen against the disease.
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One major problem with the H5N1 vaccine is that it takes two huge shots separated by a few weeks to create immunity. The large doses of H5N1 vaccine require about 90 micrograms each injection. That is about 12 times the usual flu shot vaccine dose. If the current flu vaccine capacity is a mere 300 million doses, the gigantic quantity per dose required for current Bird Flu H5N1 yields a paltry 25 million doses. Furthermore, one is vulnerable to infection between the two flu vaccine doses.
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What about side-effects? What about individual allergic reactions to eggs and to adjuvants? What about adverse drug reactions? What about drug interactions for diabetics and people immuno-suppressed with chemotherpy? What about injuries caused by vaccination? What about deaths caused by vaccines? By vaccines plus adjuvant? All such questions remain unknowns since we do not even know which strain of H5B1 flu will be the base inactivated virus for the vaccine.
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In his October 4 Rose Garden news conference, President Bush announced that in case of the potential disaster of a Bird Flu epidemic, he favored the military rather than local and state responders because, as he stated, quarantines would be necessary.
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In case of a Bird Flu epidemic, President Bush intends to preempt state and local officials, assure a declaration of martial law, and force people to be imprisoned in their quarantines with the armed force of the American military. Contemplate what that means to you and to this nation.
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Old 10-24-2005, 08:04 AM
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I sense a conspiracy behind this "Bird Flu" 'pandemic'. Its only contagious through BIRDS. So unless you handle the critters, you dont have anything to worry about.

Its just another ploy to take away even MORE power from 'the Sheeple'. (Marshal law, police state and all that crap...)

More Bioterrorisim for us to 'choke' on... What did you expect?
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Old 10-24-2005, 09:47 AM
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I sense a conspiracy behind this "Bird Flu" 'pandemic'. Its only contagious through BIRDS. So unless you handle the critters, you dont have anything to worry about.
One sunny day I was biking home from work when suddenly a bird attacked my head. I was surprised and caught off guard but I did not fall off my bike. I continued to bike with one hand while my other hand tried to shoo away the bird but it kept on attacking my head until finally it got too far away from its nest and gave up. I guess this kind of stuff doesn't happen often but it happens.
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Old 10-24-2005, 10:02 AM
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I sense a conspiracy behind this "Bird Flu" 'pandemic'. Its only contagious through BIRDS. So unless you handle the critters, you dont have anything to worry about.
One sunny day I was biking home from work when suddenly a bird attacked my head. I was surprised and caught off guard but I did not fall off my bike. I continued to bike with one hand while my other hand tried to shoo away the bird but it kept on attacking my head until finally it got too far away from its nest and gave up. I guess this kind of stuff doesn't happen often but it happens.
What was on your head Madkhao?

Maybe the bird thought some of your hair would make a nice addition to his nest!!

:lol:
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Old 10-24-2005, 03:48 PM
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Default New bird flu outbreak in southern Siberia

Seems contrived. How did the bird flu stay in Asia for as long as it did, then suddenly sweep the world?
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