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Old 12-24-2005, 11:27 AM
Thumper Thumper is offline
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Default Re: I think another powerful force ... is urbanization

Shannow wrote:
I was looking at the fire protection systems in some new luxury apartments in Sydney, overlooking Darling Harbour.

In the penthouses, cooking stuff amounted to a small fridge, a microwave oven, and a small sink and dishwasher. No cooktop, no stove.

I've referred to our serfdom for decades now, and my family are starting to beleive me (it's a start).

Currently, the U.S. food production uses FIVE TIMES as much energy as the calorific content of the food that we eat.

We got to the top of the food chain, by gaining more from our food/crops than the energy we expended in making it. We got so good that we could develop cummunities and culture.

We got even better, allowing us towns, and eventually cities.

Then we "discovered" oil.

and famine can be turned on and off at will (if they will it)

\"six or seven men can plunge the nation into war, or, what is perhaps equally disastrous, commit it to entangling alliances without consulting Parliament at all.\"

--Andrew Carnegie
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Old 12-24-2005, 10:30 PM
Khopesh Khopesh is offline
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Default Re: I think another powerful force ... is urbanization

I remember the great John Curtain, prime minister of Australia in WW11 having a policy of decentralisation.
De population of cities through moving industries into rural areas or rural centers, this was for strategic and other reasons, it was belived even in WW11 that Sydney was vastly overpopulated.
John Curtain died before he had a chance to implement his grand vision and if he had of, Australia would be far different now and many would suggest for the better.
Largly cities actually produce very little other than for its own purposes and produces massive strain on the environment.
Far better I think to relocate industries away from big cities and allow most of the population to live with the benifites of both a rural and a city lifestyle the best of both.
I bet you would see a lot less people sitting around doing fuckall, less drugs less gangs etc, overall a happier more productive natural society.
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:17 AM
Akbar Akbar is offline
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Default Re: I think another powerful force ... is urbanization

I agree with most of the posts. We tend to lose ownership of our lives if we give in to the concept of global control. We can work towards stopping this trend by focusing on having more local control of resources in the areas that we live. We should work towards owning our on sources of food, clothing, housing, communication, energy, ect. The more we control in our own area, the less we have to dance to the beat of globilization at the downfall of our local community.
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