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Old 11-11-2005, 09:08 AM
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This thread is in response to a request from Freeman for more information on the Kol Nidre that I mentioned in a post to Draken's thread on the Zundel trial.

The Kol Nidre
By J B Campbell
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11-30-3

The Kol Nidre is the holiest Jewish prayer and is recited several times on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. It means "all vows" and is a flat statement that no promise of any kind will be kept for the coming year. It is also sung by the cantor in synagogue, accompanied on the violin and goes like this:

"All vows, obligations, oaths or anathemas, pledges of all names, which we have vowed, sworn, devoted, or bound ourselves to, from this day of atonement, until the next day of atonement (whose arrival we hope for in happiness) we repent, aforehand, of them all, they shall all be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, void and made of no effect; they shall not be binding, nor have any power; the vows shall not be reckoned as vows, the obligations shall not be obligatory, nor the oaths considered as oaths."

"The Jazz Singer," the first talkie with Al Jolsen, describes the great devotion that Jews have for this "prayer." Jolsen plays a cantor's son who tries to break away from Jewish tradition but who in the end is drawn back to it, finally agreeing to sing the Kol Nidre on the great day. It is ironic that Hollywood's first motion picture with sound should have dealt with this explosive subject, even if the words were sung in Hebrew.

Can any person or people with this mentality be trusted? The Kol Nidre mentality is the underlying cause for all the anti-Jewish reaction by normal people down through the ages. Have we ever heard a renunciation of this "prayer" by any Jew - orthodox, reform or otherwise? In fact, how many of us are even aware of this subversive practice, this license to lie, which is glorified in a holy ritual every year?

Every Jew in a position of power, from Paul Wolfowitz to your judge, doctor or teacher, should be questioned on this subject. Jewish judges should be asked to recuse themselves on this grounds automatically. Only in this positive but defensive manner can we at this late date begin to take charge of our lives by denouncing the lie of "anti-Semitism" and confronting those whose practices are based on deception.

Remember the motto of Israel's elite organization, the Mossad: "By way of deception thou shalt make war."


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From Name Withheld
12-1-03

In fairness, there is an obscure version of the Kol Nidre (there are a number of variants on the text) which also seeks forgiveness and nullification of coerced obligations for the coming year. This is no longer commonly used, though it is quoted in the 100 year old version of the "Jewish Encyclopedia" as part of a lengthy scholarly discussion of the Kol Nidre.

Actually, many Reform congregations do not recite the Kol Nidre because it is considered anachronistic and because it MIGHT be misconstrued.

However, the Kol Nidre is specifically about contracts of a religious nature and NOT about business or other contracts with other men. If it were what Campbell and others commenting on your site say, would it not also negate obligations between Jews?

Obligations between Jews may be settled by a rabbinnic court, or Bet Din; obligations between Jews and Gentiles must be handled by civil courts. The Talmud states: "The law of the land is The Law." In other words, in all civil and crimnal matters (matters of a non-religious nature) the ruling of a civil court is final and as binding as if it were the Torah itself.

The Kol Nidre has NO EFFECT upon temporal obligations nor upon the rulings of a court of law.


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From Sam Lock
12-1-3

The last comment by "name withheld" counter-commenting to Barbara Cohen, is a flat-out lie and therefore "name withheld" is a liar until he proves otherwise.

He states, "...The Kol Nidre does NOT do what Mr. Campbell libelously claims. Rather, it is a sort of contract between man the individual and God asking God's forgiveness for obligations made UNKNOWINGLY or UNDER COERCION during the PREVIOUS (not forthcoming) year."

Jeff, I must copy a part out of the quoted Kol Nidre by Barbara Cohen, acually, the entire thing, so I may not be labeled a liar.

"All vows, obligations, oaths, anathemas, whether called 'konam,' 'konas,' or by any other name, which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement unto the next, (whose happy coming we await), we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void and made of no effect; they shall not bind us nor have power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligatory; nor the oaths be oaths."

"...from this day of Atonement UNTO THE NEXT..." does not refer to the PRIOR year, now does it class?

Is this guy just baiting us or lying to us? Jeff, this is a great lesson in 'sources of information and how can you really rely on it.'

"Name withheld"...for obvious reasons.



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From Barbara Cohen
New York, NY
12-1-3

Dear Jeff,

Regarding your article today: The Kol Nidre http://rense.com/general45/kol.htm
your readers can find a much more details at the enclosed article.

http://abbc.com/quotes/q701-750.htm

KOL NIDRE 703

The Bible teaches: "Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another. And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord." (Leviticus 19:11-12)

One of the most useful devices provided the Jews to offset Moses' laws against swearing falsely, is found in the Talmud Book of Nedarim (Vows), and is put into practice yearly on the Day of Atonement in every synagogue across the world as the "Kol Nidre" (all Vows prayer).

The text of the Kol Nidre is found in "The Jewish Encyclopedia" and published by Funk and Wagnalls Co., The History, Religion, Literature, and Customs of the Jewish people from the earliest times to the present day, page 539. This is a typical Talmudic situation: Knowingly, in advance, every shred of TRUTH is to be cast away, with religious support. A Scriptural verse of no relevance whatsoever is used for justification.

Christian Americans and non-Christians have been drenched with propaganda concerning "brotherhood" between Christian, non-Christians and Jews. Such propaganda could never be effective if the true nature of Talmudic Judaism were known!

KOL NIDRE: It is the prologue of the Day of Atonement services in the synagogues. It is recited three times by the standing congregation in concert with chanting rabbis at the alter. After the recital of the "Kol Nidre" (All Vows) prayer the Day of Atonement religious ceremonies follow immediately. The Day of Atonement religious observances are the highest holy days of the "Jews" and are celebrated as such throughout the world. The official translation into English of the "Kol Nidre" (All Vows) prayer is as follows:

"All vows, obligations, oaths, anathemas, whether called 'konam,' 'konas,' or by any other name, which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement unto the next, (whose happy coming we await), we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void and made of no effect; they shall not bind us nor have power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligatory; nor the oaths be oaths." (emphasis added)

The implications, inferences and innuendoes of the "Kol Nidre" (All Vows) prayer are referred to in the Talmud in the Book of Nedarim, 23a-23b as follows:

"And he who desires that none of his vows made during the year shall be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, every vow which I make in the future shall be null (1). (His Vows are then invalid) providing that he remembers this at the time of the vow." (emphasis in original) A footnote (1) relates: "(1)...The Law of Revocation in advance was not made public." (Emphasis in original text)

The greatest study of the "Kol Nidre" (All Vows) prayer was made by Theodor Reik, a pupil of the [i]nfamous Jewish Dr. Sigmund Freud. The analysis of the historic, religious and psychological background of the "Kol Nidre" (All Vows) prayer by Professor Reik presents the Talmud in its true perspective. This study is contained in "The Ritual, Psycho-Analytical Studies." In the chapter on the Talmud, page 163, he states: "The text was to the effect that all oaths which believers take between one Day of Atonement and the next Day of Atonement are declared invalid." (emphasis added)

The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia confirms that the "Kol Nidre" (All Vows) prayer has no spiritual value as might be believed because it is recited in synagogues on the Day of Atonement as the prologue of the religious ceremonies which follow it. The secular significance of the "Kol Nidre" (All Vows) prayer is forcefully indicated by the analysis in Vol. VI, page 441:

"The Kol Nidre has nothing whatever to do with the actual idea of the Day of Atonement...it attained to extraordinary solemnity and popularity by reason of the fact that it was the first prayer recited on this holiest of days."

On the Chicago Illinois Television Station, on the Day of Atonement in 1992, the announcer said in effect: "Synagogues and temples throughout the city were crowded yesterday as the 24 hour fast began. As Rabbis called on the Jewish people to join the fast, to sound the Kol Nidre, the traditional melody used at the start of Yom Kippur, as a gesture of goodwill."

That Christians accepted this as a true statement, without any question at all, is amazing. For THE "Kol Nidre" Prayer is a "License" for the Jews to deceive and cheat Christians and non-Jews for the next year, as they have obtained forgiveness in advance from "their" god to lie, cheat, steal and deceive.


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From Name Withheld
12-1-3

Jeff - Time and again slanders against my faith are repeated on this site, although I still like the site and read it daily, knowing that you are not the originator of the slander and also observing that pretty much everyone gets equal time, which is what free speech is all about.

But the attack on the Kol Nidre by J. B. Campbell is just too much. The Kol Nidre is not a prayer. It is recited three times on the Day of Atonement, the holiest day of the year, in order to be sure that all have heard and recited it. The Kol Nidre does NOT do what Mr. Campbell libelously claims. Rather, it is a sort of contract between man the individual and God asking God's forgiveness for obligations made UNKNOWINGLY or UNDER COERCION during the PREVIOUS (not forthcoming) year. It ONLY affects promises made to God and not promises or obligations made to other men. In other words, it is a plea for forgiveness to God for offenses made to him. It does not negate any obligations made to other men and only asks God's pardon for unknowingly offending Him or for having offended Him because another (say a Christian or a Moslem) forced one to do so.

Campbell's statements are made out of either extreme ignorance or extreme hatred (or both), but they are lies and rubbish. If a Jew said such horrible and false things about a sacred Christian practice there would be hell to pay but I guess it's okay if it is the other way around.

Many thanks for helping to set the record straight.


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From J B Campbell
JBC@wealthkeeper.net
To: Jonathan Grossman

On 14.12.2003 6:22 PM, Jonathan Grossman wrote:

Read your Kol Nidre article. You are quite the nut. Funny to read and of course only an anti-Semite like Rense would print it. Good luck spreading your propaganda. It makes for good comedy.


I thought the rabbi objecting under the name "Name Withheld" was very funny. Did you read my Rense piece on "anti-Semitism," since you're slinging around that slimy weapon? As I asked Dershowitiz, do you have one drop of Semitic blood in your body? What is your attitude toward the actual Semites? (That would be the Arabs.)

The syndicated lawyer and talk show host, Bill Handel or Handle, back in '92 had a one-time special on KFI in LA called, "Why Do You Hate Jews?" The first hour was given to the anti-Jews and I got on. I said, "Because you are the most notorious liars on Earth."

"Oh? What lies do we tell?"

"Well, everything you say could be a lie. You are authorized to lie by your rabbis."

"Authorized to lie by our rabbis... How does that work?"

"What is your holiest prayer?"

"Umm - I don't know!"

"Isn't it the Kol Nidre?"

"You know, Bruce - I've had five years of Hebrew school and three years of law school and I just can't remember how the Kol Nidre goes."

"I can recite it for you if you like..."

"Okay."

And I did. On KFI, 50,000 watts across Southern California. Bill about croaked. I said, "Bill, this is why people hate Jews. Get it? And another thing - you called that Gentile gal a minute ago a Shiksa."

"Yeah? So?"

"In your lingo, shiksa means dirty, unclean, non-Kosher piece of meat. Like "goyim." That means cattle. You're the cowboys and we're the cows - right?"

"Aw, Bruce! I don't think so!"

"You don't think so?"

"No, I don't think so..."

"Do you deny it?" He wouldn't deny it - just Jewish equivocating. Anyway, the anti-Jew calls were so heavy that we got another hour. And the last two hours were for Jews only. You know - the last word. But it worked out okay. The first Jewish call was from a rabbi.

"Bill! What that fellow said about the Kol Nidre! He was wrong, Bill!"

"I know he was, Rabbi. Can you tell us how wrong?"

"Oh, Bill! The Kol Nidre is between you and God - not the way he made it sound! Now, let's say that you have sworn not to come within a mile of a chocolate mousse. You can't keep this promise to God, so the Kol Nidre lets you off the hook with God! You see, Bill? Nothing like what he said!"

"Uh, huh... Okay - thanks, Rabbi."

Talk about comedy. People all over Los Angeles were laughing. Jews were slapping their foreheads at this moron for telling such a fantastic whopper

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Old 11-11-2005, 09:19 AM
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Thanks, Barbara.
I have to admit this is one tenet of Jewish theology that I find especially troubling...imagine how it would apply to Jews who were also Freemasonic?
And yet we know that the uppermost levels of Masonry are controlled by Jewish lodges like B'nai Brith...any lingering doubts about what a bunch of all-day suckers the Brotherhood are?
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Of course you are right about all Freemasonic lodges being under the B'nai Brith and the implications of Kol Nidre on those oaths of jews as Freemasons become obvious.

My greatest concern is not for those adult children in their dark rooms regurgitating their mumbo jumbo for an advantage (or so they think) in the business or political world. The pathetic part of that is they are trying to be more like the jew.

My real concern is that the people of the world do not understand the peculiar "morality" of the jew, and, as a result allow them into their governments, grant them the power to control their currency and determine it's value and reserve "chairs" for them in their institutions of higher learning. Any one of the above would prove detrimental to a nation, but the combination of all three spells that nation's doom.

The Eastern Roman Empite lasted 1,000 years longer than did the Western because they did not allow jews into those three areas.

As I said, in effect, in the earlier post, the jew is for the jew. Period. In his eyes the goy (non-jew) is a sheep waiting for the jewish shearer; cattle waiting to be milked or slaughtered.

In my younger years I wondered why the jew had been expelled from so many countries and was held in such low regard. Over the years I have researched that question and the answer now becomes clear.

The jews are destroyers, they say as much themselves. Nothing we can do will ever satisfy them, they demand a world of their own. Notice, I did not say a country of their own, they want the world.

Christianity could be considered their "ace in the hole" because Christians close their eyes to the attrocities committed by the jew and wait for Jesus' return to straighten out his father's "chosen people."

Christians are spat upon in the streets of Jerusalem and even physically attacked but like indulgent parents, the blind, deaf and dumb so-called followers of Christ overlook it.

Christians ignore the plight of the Palestinians, a captive people whom the jew kills at his pleasure. Their aim is to eradicate them, again, they have said as much themselves.

Christians do not even believe Jesus' own words in their New Testament. How's that for brainwashed? He threw the jewish money changers out of the Temple, he castigated jews in the street and called them liars, said their father was the Devil and the works of their father they would do, said they had killed the prophets. He did not go into certain towns "for fear of the jew." Well, there's a whole lot more but it would be as wasted here as it is in it's original source.

At this point I do not believe there is much hope for awakening the sleeping masses. I will keep trying for I can do no less.

The jew is to be congratulated, he has done his work well. The world is falling into his hands like a ripe plums, just as they prophesied.

Follow the Zundel trial for a look at the future of justice in the jews' world. Can't happen here? IT ALREADY HAS!!!
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barb, don't you think there are different kinds of Jews, as Henry has written about?

Like those who subscribe to Phariseeism versus Old Testament Jews?
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Thumper, in our hearts we want to believe the best about EVERYONE, but my mind and my research say differently.

There are always exceptions, as in Henry's case, and a few others whose writings I read on a daily basis because they love liberty.

One white crow proves that all crows are not black; BUT, the exceptions do not find their way into government, education and banking. THOSE are the rule. I am thankful that the exceptions do choose to write because they can and do tell great truths; the freedom of speech and thought is quickly being extinguished, except here on the iternet - who knows for how much longer, by those that are the rule (ADL).

My favorite and most prolific writer was Murray Rothbard, a jew, and the most freedom-loving individual you would ever hope to meet. Wonderful man, reminded me of a Bantham Rooster when he really got into his subject while giving a talk . Although small in stature, he was a giant among men.

One night, over coffee, he made a remark that, until today, hurts my heart but opened my eyes as nothing else could have. He said, "I have done my part, I have had no children."

He understood that he was one of the few "white crows."

Rest in peace, Murray. Your work goes on.
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Cassio Dio Cocceianus. annals of Rome, Vol. V, Book 68: Meanwhile the jews in the region of cyrene had put one Andreas at their head and were destroying both the Romans and the Greeks. They would cook their flesh, make belts for themselves of their entrais, annoint themselves with their blood, and wear their skins for clothing. Many they sawed in two, from the head downwards. Others they would give to wild beasts and force still others to fight as gladiators. In all, cosequently, two hundred and twenty thousand perished. In Egypt, also, they performed many similar deeds, and in Cyprus under the leadership of Artemia. There, likewise, two hundred and forty thousand perished. For this reason no Jew may set foot in that land, but even if one of them is driven upon the island by force of the wind, he is put to death.
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A very informative post, Redrat. It strikes me as being very telling as to where the jews got their ideas for what they charge the Germans with doing. They were simply pulling from their own gristly, barbaric, Satanic actions from ancient times onward and laying them on a civilized people.

The lies about the soap from human fat, lamps of human skin as well as shirts, on and on - OMG how the world has been deceived! We have made demi-gods out of ravening wolves.

Observing Israel today and the influence of jews worldwide, it is obvious that neither their nature nor their actions have changed appreciably.

The Feast of Namah awaits us in the near future when they consolidate their power.
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Thumper, in our hearts we want to believe the best about EVERYONE, but my mind and my research say differently.

There are always exceptions, as in Henry's case, and a few others whose writings I read on a daily basis because they love liberty.

One white crow proves that all crows are not black; BUT, the exceptions do not find their way into government, education and banking. THOSE are the rule. I am thankful that the exceptions do choose to write because they can and do tell great truths; the freedom of speech and thought is quickly being extinguished, except here on the iternet - who knows for how much longer, by those that are the rule (ADL).

My favorite and most prolific writer was Murray Rothbard, a jew, and the most freedom-loving individual you would ever hope to meet. Wonderful man, reminded me of a Bantham Rooster when he really got into his subject while giving a talk . Although small in stature, he was a giant among men.

One night, over coffee, he made a remark that, until today, hurts my heart but opened my eyes as nothing else could have. He said, "I have done my part, I have had no children."

He understood that he was one of the few "white crows."

Rest in peace, Murray. Your work goes on.
Not to be cheeky barbara, but I remember when someone created a thread to the effect of "c'mon, it's not a conspiracy... Jews are just smarter than everyone else :-P"

Certainly the cultural emphasis on education, literacy, and verbal IQ put them at an advantage over others, and perhaps that how they find themselves in banking, government, education, etc. We should also consider though, the role of freemasonry, and how ANYONE who reaches those heights is compromised, like Bill Clinton (a goy).

I think it's a bit akin to calling the NWO an 'anglo' conspiracy, simply because the USA and the UK are the most prominent players. Certainly texts like the Talmud appear to be evil, but I still consider most Jews benign.
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That must have been your thread, Thumper, it certainly wasn't mine. It has been a long time since I was that deceived.

You have the right to believe as you wish. I reserve the right to do the same, difference being I can have my eyes open to believe as I do.
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That must have been your thread, Thumper, it certainly wasn't mine. It has been a long time since I was that deceived.

You have the right to believe as you wish. I reserve the right to do the same, difference being I can have my eyes open to believe as I do.
I think it was Rushdoony's thread.

In any case, I will acknowledge the role of Jews in the Bolveshik Revolution and many other destructive social movements around the world, but I consider the ones who aren't in the 'commanding heights' to be quite normal people.
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