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Old 10-27-2005, 10:10 PM
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Old 10-28-2005, 04:24 AM
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The presenters comprehensive research and questions are very thorough and convincing.

In a book I read called, " The War against The Jews" by author Lucy Dawidowicz, she claimed that there was a campaign to eliminate Jews. The question is did they eliminate people using another method?

Here is a description from Wikipedia:

Lucy Dawidowicz wrote the book, The War Against the Jews. The book's premise is that one of Hitler's main purposes was to eliminate Jewish populations throughout Europe. Hitler pursued this policy even to the detriment of pragmatic wartime actions such as moving troops and securing supply lines. For example, he delayed railcars providing supplies to front line troops in the Soviet Union so that Jews could be deported by rail from the USSR to death camps.

The book also provides detailed listings by country of the number of Jews killed in World War II. Dawidowicz researched birth and death records in many cities of prewar Europe to come up with a death toll of 5.85 million Jews. Many consider this number an underestimate since many records were lost during the war, and since many births and deaths were not recorded in small towns and villages.
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Old 10-28-2005, 04:38 AM
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For example, he delayed railcars providing supplies to front line troops in the Soviet Union so that Jews could be deported by rail from the USSR to death camps.
Thats bollocks. They just shot them into ditches and the locals certainly did'nt muck around with local Jews (particularly in the Baltics) who had been central to Soviet control their.

The vast majority of Jews simply died of exposure along with most of the locals and as for transporting Jews to the west for extermination...the problem was that the 'golden pheasant' Gautliers of the East were knocking off the local Jewish tradesman so fast local industry was suffering and it had to be stopped. They wer'nt being transported West. They were shot on site...apparently.

And this is the point. What to believe? Their were undoubtably 'atrocaties'...hell, WW2 was one big atrocity.

What of Vietnam and May Lei...and that disgusting little war in general? Exact replicas I can believe in the USSR by frustrated troops being knocked off by the giant partisan movements...ABSOLOUTLY no excuse and disgusting behaviour I cant even imagine...

To be honest...the evidence for such atrocities in general is slim although their are 'second hand' type reports like a certain General complaining that a giant ditch full of bodies was contaminating the water table etc...

The point is...the 'specifics' of the holocaust are bollocks. The specific program of "The Jewish Question" did not happen. Did Jews suffer and die? Undoubtably and I take the view of David Irving that I certainly feel for the innocent in that hell. To imagine my 6 month old neice crammed onto a cattle truck is bad enough and already one has lost their humanity.

The "Holocaust" as being used by the Zionists for the benefit of their program of keeping the State of Israel in perpetual motion is a fraud and like ANY witness they are TOTALLY discredited...therefore, anything that has come from their mouths and others as to the "murderous barbarity" of the Nazi's is up for argument.

Only a vast and open debate on ALL aspects of the lead up and conducting of WW2 will get to the bottom of it. I look forward to it.
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Old 10-28-2005, 04:48 AM
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Take a look at what true Jews have to say

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

Traditional Jews Are Not Zionists

Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews.
Words of the Rabbis Opposing Zionism - Today's Quote
Rabbi Amram Blau Rabbi Amram BlauThe Jewish People are absolutely opposed to any injury against the Arab nation. The Arab nation never harmed the Jewish People until the advent of Zionist nationalism. The Jewish People are commanded by the Torah to seek the peace of the governments where they are citizens, and not to rebel against any nation, G-d forbid, especially when this concerns the Holy Land, to which we are forbidden to engage in mass immigration.

Jews who follow the Torah are not even suspected of murder or any injury against any person, and we are severely prohibited from engaging in any violent action, including in relation to the struggle over Palestine. Judaism is totally opposed to nationalism, and in fact Jews have refused to move to the Zionist state even though the state proclaims itself as the representative of the Jewish People.
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Old 10-28-2005, 04:50 AM
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More from real Torah Jews from the same site

as above.

Zionism Promotes Anti-Semitism

Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained “we must, above all, make it an international political issue.”

Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.” In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.”

Zionist reliance on Anti-Semitism to further their goals continues to this day. Studies of immigration records reflect increased immigration to the Zionist state during times of increased anti-Semitism. Without a continued inflow of Jewish immigrants to the state of "Israel", it is estimated that within a decade the Jewish population of the Zionist state will become the minority.

In order to maintain a Jewish majority in the state of "Israel", its leaders promote anti-Semitism throughout the world to "encourage" Jews to leave their homelands and seek "refuge".

Over the recent years there has been a dramatic rise in hate rhetoric and hate crimes targeted toward Jews:

In Turkey...horrifying suicide bombings at two synagogues left 25 people dead and hundreds more injured.
In Britain...Scotland Yard recently warned Britain's Jewish Community that it faced imminent terrorist attacks after police spotted and questioned a group of "tourists" taking covert videotape of the Jewish community buildings in London.
In France...a caution was issued after an arson attack gutted a suburban Paris Jewish school--the latest incident in a frightening wave of French anti-Semitism.
BBC - UK: "In recent weeks, a poll for the European Commission suggesting that EU citizens see Israel as the biggest threat to world peace caused outrage among Israelis."
Anti-Semitic acts are on the rise across Europe and beyond. From Antwerp and London to Berlin and Istanbul, Jews are living in fear.

On November 17, 2003 Zionist leader, Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister, told Jews in Italy the best way to escape "a great wave of anti-Semitism" is to move and settle in the state of Israel. This has been the Zionist ideology from the beginning to the present time. "The best solution to anti-Semitism is immigration to Israel. It is the only place on Earth where Jews can live as Jews," he said.

July 28, 2004: 200 French Jews emigrated to Israel following a wave of Anti-Semitism. They were personally greeted by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who recently urged French Jews to flee to Israel to escape rising anti-Semitism.

On July 18, 2004, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon urged all French Jews to move to Israel immediately to escape anti-Semitism. He told a meeting of the American Jewish Association in Jerusalem that Jews around the world should relocate to Israel as early as possible. But for those living in France, he added, moving was a "must" because of rising violence against Jews there. "
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Old 10-28-2005, 04:54 AM
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I like the "True Torah Jews Zionist Alert". 8-)

Now why is'nt the mainstream media making the distinction by airing the views of this segemnt of the Jewish population?

Also, i remember an interview with a prominent European Jew being asked why he had'nt gone to Palestine after the war. His words were to the effect..."what, to that shithole?"

And so I guess anti-semitism and "hate crime laws" further marginalise ordinary Jews as Henry has written. It's currently working well.
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Quote from above

On July 18, 2004, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon urged all French Jews to move to Israel immediately to escape anti-Semitism. He told a meeting of the American Jewish Association in Jerusalem that Jews around the world should relocate to Israel as early as possible. But for those living in France, he added, moving was a "must" because of rising violence against Jews there. "

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I remember this and I was SHOCKED because I have

Jewish relatives in France. What is very

interesting is to study how it came about that

France for decades has been letting in the Arabs

by the millions. Same old same old ...

Create the Problem.

Wait for the forseen Reaction.

Propose your Solution.


Even more fascinating is how this is

being done in most, if not all of the western

countries.
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Old 10-28-2005, 08:57 AM
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Rabbi Amram Blau: The Jewish People are absolutely opposed to any injury against the Arab nation. The Arab nation never harmed the Jewish People until the advent of Zionist nationalism. The Jewish People are commanded by the Torah to seek the peace of the governments where they are citizens, and not to rebel against any nation, G-d forbid, especially when this concerns the Holy Land, to which we are forbidden to engage in mass immigration.

Jews who follow the Torah are not even suspected of murder or any injury against any person, and we are severely prohibited from engaging in any violent action, including in relation to the struggle over Palestine. Judaism is totally opposed to nationalism, and in fact Jews have refused to move to the Zionist state even though the state proclaims itself as the representative of the Jewish People.
1. The above highlighted claim does not guarrantee Torah-believing Jews committing crimes anyway. It's hardly an argument that just because the religious scriptures believed by anyone prohibits certain crimes, therefore the adherents of those religious scriptures are incapable of committing such crimes!
What one says and what ones does are two completely different things.

"The Eighth Commandment forbids stealing. Have you ever heard that fact brought up in the defence of a Christian on trial for that crime? Can you imagine prisoner's counsel arguing that John Smith could not have stolen a purse from William Brown because the Christian religion forbids such a thing? More, can you imagine counsel getting away with such an argument? But that is what the Jews have often succeeded in doing."
(<a href="http://churchoftrueisrael.com/streicher/jrm/chapter03.html">Quote</a> from Arnold Leese's book on Jewish Ritual Murder)

2. The Torah, i.e. the first five books of the Old Testament is not exactly a collection of texts exhibiting love of peace nor tolerance toward other peoples nor rejection of violence.

"...thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt not make no coventant with them, nor show mercy unto them." (Deut. vii. 2-3.)

I can't be bothered to find more examples, of which I'm sure everyone is aware there are plenty.

Hence, professing to be a Torah-believing person - Jew or not! - simply does not guarrantee or prove anything, apart from that according to the "holy" scripture one believes in, in this case the Old Testament, does NOT exclude violence, war and oppression against other peoples.
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Old 10-28-2005, 02:00 PM
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For example, he delayed railcars providing supplies to front line troops in the Soviet Union so that Jews could be deported by rail from the USSR to death camps.
Thats bollocks. They just shot them into ditches and the locals certainly did'nt muck around with local Jews (particularly in the Baltics) who had been central to Soviet control...
Did you see in the '70's the televised footage of concentration camps etc? Looked pretty convincing. Problem is getting a copy, so one can analyse it.
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Old 10-28-2005, 08:15 PM
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Do you mean concentration camps in general? Then yes i've seen plenty and YES it is pretty darn convincing...that alot of people were in concentration camps.

The point is the "holohoax" does not add up. That "war crimes" were committed...well, a VERY tentative yes as my faith in war time history is pretty shattered. Particularly from 1943 on and PARTICULARLY post firebombings late '43 where WHOLE cities were levelled in Germany and you can excuse alot of ordinary Germans for not caring to much for wartime convention when their entire families have just gone up in smoke. But that was probably the British (inparticular) plan. To enrage the Germans into further barbarity just like they planned when they murdered Hydrich after noting the Czheks (sorry for spelling) were working a little to well for German industry where they were treated like gold compared to the former Chzeck government...more evidence of German barbarity?

In fact i'd like to turn around the ENTIRE load of accusations and point them directly back at the Allies. DRAK has posted extensively on the 1 million plus German POW dead AFTER the war! The LEVELLING of German cities having spurious or ABSOLOUTLY N-O target quality other than a civilian population. The encouragement of the mostly COMMUNIST French resistence to kill and mutilate German soldiers in France to incite the Germans to retribution. The releasing of the Morgenthau Planinto the public domain which called for putting Germany back to a pre industrial age...and GAURANTEEING that ordinary Germans would fight to the death in many cases and ensuring that Hitler, teetering on the verge of Coup d'état, would remain in power as the bridges appeared burnt. These are just a few of the FACTS as opposed to the "made up" witness testimony.

We should also remember that Concentration Camp Commanders and people like Goering and even HIMMLER! waxed lyrical on the future positions they would hold in post war Germany! The "mass murder'ers" were sounding pretty confident! Now why is that? Could it be because they "wer'nt" mass murder'ers?

I say lets have the truth. It's going to happen regardless. We need "facts" and we need "context". That is...you dont judge soldiers and commanders in absoloute terms but you say if they massacered a village it might be worth mentioning that the battallion has been fighting non stop for 3 days and nights, had lost many men to partisan activity and had heard a week earlier that their home town was levelled and many loved ones dead...and theirs your context. Not an excuse, just context. And what context did American and British commanders have after the war to leave 1 million German pow's to starve? Bad day at the office?

The Concentration Camp inmates starved late in the war because there was N-O road or rail system intact from 1945 on and before to varying degree's. EVERYONE was starving and that is a simple fact. The Germans could barely kkep their own soldiers and citizens fed. Again, what was the Allies excuse?

Regardless, we need to simply let the "facts" as they can be ascertained speak.

Alot of people and reputations are at stake. Just look how long they kept Ultra under wraps. Now why was that? For NO other reason than the fact that being able to read your opponents ENTIRE order of battle at ALL times made victory inevitable and would shatter the illusion of the wonderful Allies who would NEVER have won without that info and the MASSIVE treasonous activity of the many Communists in the general ranks and Masons within the Prussian Officer corp.

The documentaries are STILL crapping on about the Battle Of Britain as some sort of "saving grace" when it has been known for 50 years that Hitler NEVER intended to invade and was merely entertaining Stalin in the East with the air show and a few barges on the beach. But STILL the myth goes on. And on...and on...
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