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Old 09-13-2005, 10:24 PM
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Leading Chinese Dissident Warns: China Planning Nuclear War

The Epoch Times | September 13 2005


One of China’s most famous democracy advocates says that America has not paid enough attention to the threat of nuclear war with China. Wei Jingsheng, who spent 18 years in confinement in China, spoke at a forum on Chinese leader Hu Jintao at the National Press Club, sketching a disturbing picture of a powerful nation on the march to war.

The forum consisted of China expert panelists giving their various perspectives on the underlying meaning behind the visit of Chinese leader Hu Jintao, who has been in power for the last two years.

Wei stated that China needs the distraction of a war with Taiwan to turn attention away from the Chinese people’s frustration with rampant corruption and failed policies at home.

Wei also stated that a number of factors allow them to consider traditional warfare against Taiwan and even nuclear warfare against the U.S.

First, Russia, who China has often seen as an enemy, has offered a tacit agreement to China’s military plan, said Wei.

He pointed out that “China has signed a treaty with Russia that basically says if China invades Taiwan, Russia will not support the U.S.”, that meant that they would defend Taiwan if the island came under attack.

China also teamed up with Russia recently for joint military exercises on the Shandong Peninsula, an area fairly close to Taiwan, indicating both China’s intentions and Russia’s acceptance of those intentions.

Wei said that China had also been considering nuclear war against the U.S. as a way to defeat America in the war. The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is considering nuclear war, Wei said, because it is not afraid to sacrifice China’s people.

He took as an evidence Chinese general Zhu Chenghu’s recent public statement declaring that China would launch nuclear weapons against the U.S. if it attacked China and that “we … will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all the cities east of Xian,” which would include Beijing, Shanghai, and Canton.

Although the general’s view was not publicly corroborated by other officials, Wei said, China’s government-run media enthusiastically circulated the statements.

Wei also warned Americans not to underestimate the irrational behavior of the CCP leadership and that America’s best response to prevent a coming war is to begin taking it seriously.

The Communist Chinese are very dissembling, Wei said. They try to appear to the world as less threatening, while at the same time they plan their next move.

Other panelists added that part of the reason Communist Party officials fear for the Party’s future is the Epoch Times’ “Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party”, an editorial series on the CCP published in November 2004 that has inspired four million Chinese people to cancel their Communist Party membership.

“Whether the campaign of ‘maintaining the advanced nature of the party,’ or anti-Japanese parades, or anti-secession law [i.e., invade Taiwan if it declares independence], or nuclear threats to the U.S., all of these are for the purpose of diverting public attention on the mass resignations,” says Frank Gong, writer for the Chinascope magazine.

According to an August 15 report on the “Liberation Army Daily,” the Central Military Committee of the Chinese Communist Party released a regulation to bar “private collection of information with severe political issues,” Gong stated. “This indicated that the “Nine Commentaries” had widely spread in the military and caused the Central Military Committee of the Chinese Communist Party to be on high alert.”

The other panelists too tried to dispel the image of China as a nation taking its place in the world as a contributor to peace and prosperity.

Dr. John Li, Senior Research Fellow, Association for Asian Research, described an “equilibrium” status the U.S. currently enjoys with China: the U.S. gains access to cheap labor, even though the factories are polluting the country, while China’s totalitarian state acquires badly needed investment dollars.

“It might be good for the U.S. that this equilibrium can be kept forever, with the Chinese regime getting the assurance of “no regime change” and the U.S. businesses getting the money squeezed from cheap Chinese labor.” However, as much as the U.S. would like it to continue, Li said, the U.S. cannot avoid the fact that the Chinese have “never wavered in their belief that ‘America is their No. 1 enemy’.”

Dr. Li thinks the U.S. should distinguish its true friends from its foes. The only way to do that is by looking at countries’ human rights records. Treating China as its adversary, that is, a regime contrary to U.S. values, will lead to the best result in the long term, he said.

All the panelists agreed that America is sleeping, dreaming images of a pleasant, peaceful China. America wants to believe that the CCP has changed and has put an end to its brutal past. But Frank Gong asked rhetorically, “How do you ‘get over’ causing the deaths, unnecessarily, of 80 million people?” He argued that the CCP would never want its crimes exposed.

“So as for the Chinese Communist Party, let’s not consider how much it has improved. We need to consider whether it intends to improve. Once it opens up political freedom and freedom of speech, its past crimes will be exposed. People will have access to information concerning democracy and the rule of law. Then what the CCP faces is not only immediate collapse, but also accountability of all its crimes.”

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/130905chinaplanning.htm

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Old 09-13-2005, 10:48 PM
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One of China’s most famous democracy advocates says that America has not paid enough attention to the threat of nuclear war with China.
And do you know why that is? Because everyone in "the loop" knows that war with China is a GREAT BIG LOAD OF BOLLOCKS.

But maybe I'm wrong? The U.S is defensless after all. Thousands of nuclear weapons. 450 billion dollar defence budget. Unbeatable Raptor fighters with unbeatable AMRAAM missiles...one shot one kill %100 accuracy. Mightiest navy in the world. Mere 250 million people. Center of world commerce...yeh, poor little America 8-)

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The forum consisted of China expert panelists giving their various perspectives on the underlying meaning behind the visit of Chinese leader Hu Jintao...
Yes, and the last thing a panel of "experts" can say is..."shit, things are going well. Globalists are happy. China a threat to no one"...not terribly exciting, nor does it grab headlines like..."You're All Fucking Dead Man!"

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Wei stated that China needs the distraction of a war with Taiwan to turn attention away from the Chinese people’s frustration with rampant corruption and failed policies at home.
Cant disagree with that one! You might want to include war with America as a distraction for their peasants.

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Wei also stated that a number of factors allow them to consider traditional warfare against Taiwan and even nuclear warfare against the U.S.
Really? And what would that be? Taiwan has a highly advanced military with high tech weaponry. It possesses thousands of antiship missiles buried deep into bed rock. You do tend to notice when your "enemy" is ammassing thousands of landing craft and building for war and you prepair. China would be blown out of the water short of a massive tactical nuke strike...which would leave the economic prize of Taiwan...shall we say...less than attractive.

As for nuke war with America?

8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-P Yeh, the poor defencless U.S...a virgin, just waiting to be raped by the evil slant eyes.

I could go on but I'm off for a walk with my sister.

The only anger at the U.S to come out of China is a phone call to Kissenger..."you little homo! Where is my fucking Avian Bird Flu outbreak! I got 800 million useless eaters in the central provinces creating havoc! You breaking ma balls man!"
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So, you feel safe in OZ and like using "scare" tactics on us???

Just kidding!!

Geez, you don't have to bite my head off!
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JUST PISSING EVERYBODY OFF, AREN'T WE??

On purpose????
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Old 09-14-2005, 05:04 AM
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Yes, this would seem most likely propaganda and hype aimed toward the West. The Chinese are great dissemblers, on that much I agree with the author of the article; however, their most likely military strategy at this point is probably best summarized by the excellent Joel Skousen strategic analysis that Draken put me onto:

Analysis of Global Strategic Threats

China is most interested in Taiwan and would probaby attack there first, if it had cover provided by a Russian preeptive strike against America. But make no mistake, in the long run, China has every intention of turning against Russia. They are not "sister Communist nations" but mortal adversaries whose interests converge at the same point as their borders.
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Old 09-14-2005, 05:36 AM
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China has NO capacity to invade Taiwan. N-O-N-E.

Taiwan is one of the most heavily defended islands in the world.

The bunkers, nuclear weapons will perhaps be unleashed...but to kill us...not "them".

ALL talk of war is rubbish...ashes in everyones mouth. War has the role of NOTHING but centralizing power around the state. There is NO plan for China or Russia or the U.S to attack anyone but defensless morons like Iran.

The war to come will be to eliminate us.

The U.S could knock off the entire planet 30 times and still have left overs for next week. Would any member of the Elite risk annhialation for...what?

FREEMAN...want to know how the U.S could defeat the Chinese tomorrow? They could stop their part in the 50 billion a month direct investment in their economy.

China is owned and operated by the West...period.

Putin and Schroeder are bosom buddies. ALL of the so called tension is pure theater. A Punch and Judy show for the peasants.

The goal is one world government with regional power brokers.

The problem is not the Elite who run the U.S...they want it to. It's the general peasantry. You must have their permission. To do that they put out this shit about coming war. War will come...but under the pretense of that evil nutter Bush...the U.N will have the moral high ground and U.S peasants will be begging for Blue Hats to restore order.

China is in such serious internal trouble they face massive rioting and general chaos. They have 800 million "useless eaters" in the central provinces who object to gigantic dams flooding there ancestoral homes. The Chinese Elite have been hoping for a massive Flu outbreak to knock them all off. For all we know it could already have started in their.

By any measure of war capacity China has zilch. It cannot project it's power. It's armed forces are geared towards internal security with a tip of high tech that the U.S would knock flat in 5 minutes...or 6 if they are dunking donuts while pressing red buttons.

The 800 pound gorilla continues to be Uncle Sam and will not be ending any time soon. The U.S may not be able to occupy a country...but they can sure bomb the fuck out one. There is nothing more relished by U.S generals than the chance to annihalate China with the U.S conventional arsenal backed up by a massive nuke cover.

So what..China throws over a few nukes...for the Generals, all the better.
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Analysis of Global Strategic Threats
I enjoyed the article but it tends towards the West being this helpless, virginal, fair maiden with Russia and the rest of the Mongol hoardes about to pounce on her lovely "helplessness'ness".

I believe they will cower us with plauges and smaller wars and the threat of nuclear war + economic meltdown. If we do not submit to U.N/Socialist rule...then i believe they will be willing to wipe out 2/3rds of the Earth.

I dont however believe that Soverign powers pose ANY threat to the West on their own merit.

Perhaps the point is moot.

Will they still serve lattes down at my favourite cafe by the beach after the showdown?

Who's this in the equation...

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FREEMAN...want to know how the U.S could defeat the Chinese tomorrow? They could stop their part in the 50 billion a month direct investment in their economy.
That would also destroy the U. S. economy, which depends upon trading partners like China buying up its worthless treasury bills in order to stay afloat. Remember Saddam and his Euros?
Wish I could share your optimism, but I don't see any way for this NWO plan to succeed with America still intact. The country has to be destoryed both financially and militarily.
This is why the Illuminati through the necons are working so hard to make G. W. Bush the "Great Satan" of the world. When they finally goad Dubya to do the unthinkable (nuclear strike in the Middle East with time runnng out on his regime), no one will care when Vlad Putin and Russia retaliate to neutralize this great, evil entity known as the U. S.
Yes, it CAN happen here.
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I'd have to agree with freeman. The NWO is using China just as it has been using the US all along. Once its purpose has been fulfilled, discard and destroy.

Look at WWII with Germany and Japan. Germany after WWI was devastated...sure people were angry and willing to have a dictator but they didn't have the money to launch the Third Reich, did they?

Guess who gave them money?

Japan in the early stages was practically hauling their Mitsubishi Zeros in water-buffalo oxcarts, for crying out loud.

Guess who gave them money?

The next stage of the NWO plan is to destroy the West. In the Protocols of the Elders of Zion they plan to reduce the WHOLE world to third world status.

Guess who will give China money?
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That would also destroy the U. S. economy, which depends upon trading partners like China buying up its worthless treasury bills in order to stay afloat.
Yes, the U.S sends ALL it's manufacturing to China - things it can build itself - and then gets China to buy it's treasuries to pay for things it could make itself...wah?

My point was that NO soverign nation poses ANY direct military threat to the U.S. China is owned and operated through the anglo/U.S banking establishment. The U.S will be destroyed from within but for the reason of centralising power and bringing U.S peasants to heel so they will be willing cannon fodder for the Globalists. In that I would point one to Thomas Barnett and "The Pentagons New Map".

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Wish I could share your optimism, but I don't see any way for this NWO plan to succeed with America still intact. The country has to be destoryed both financially and militarily.
No, they will destroy the U.S economically and socially but with Fabian Socialists like Hillary and the U.N at the helm. The U.S military and cowed peasantry are required for the Globalist plan of installing new "Rule Sets" on recalcitrent Islam and others. The U.N will carry on the Neo-con mission just saying "please" first...with hopefully the full support of the peasantry...after the horrors of Fudamentalist Christians at the helm.

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...no one will care when Vlad Putin and Russia retaliate to neutralize this great, evil entity known as the U. S.
No. There are no plans for a "surprise" attack by Russia on the U.S. All of this "war talk" in the sense of "individually" motivated nations with a genuine grudge is pure theater. A few dispenable nations may get new car parks and everyone will shit their pants and demand the U.N step in. No doubt lotsa "13 Days" type drama...but no real war.

With the combination of "Global Warming" weather disasters, threats of all out war and "Supavolcanoes", to be sure it may be enough to bring the U.N into REAL power with a moral mandate.

If during the next few years there is enough resistence to GENUINE U.N rule then I'm sure they will let loose the Nukes around 2011-12 but in a planned and co-ordinated fashion.

There is no genuine self motivated "enemy" facing the U.S. Just 250 million of it's own restless peasants.
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