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Old 10-29-2005, 02:46 PM
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Should the U.S. Declare War on Iran--or Israel?
If We're Going to Start WWIII, We May As Well Do It Right

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by Mark Farrell
Oct 29, 2005


Lately, there has been some talk about the U.S. and England raising the ante' in its desire to wage war against Iran. This is obviously part of the attempt to get the U.S. further entrenched in the Mid-East and start a massive war to obscure the fact that our economy is all but bankrupt and to, once again, do the bidding of America's favorite plutocrats--the Israelis.

The rationale now used to justify this ongoing madness, as we march towards a "war to end all wars," is that Iran is in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty--something which it never signed. However, if it is in violation of this treaty, then Israel too is most assuredly guilty of this crime, with some estimates having been put that Israel has well over 300 nuclear bombs.

Now, I'm not particularly fond of Iran in any case. If memory serves me correctly (and you'll have to forgive me if it doesn't), a couple decades ago, the Iranians kidnapped a bunch of Americans, causing John Denver's song, "Tie a Yellow Ribbon around the Old Oak Tree," to skyrocket to fame while Americans did just that--put ribbons all over their trees (which are now all over the bumpers of cars)--with the hope of their fellow citizens' return, in an effort born out of frustration under Carter's leadership.

When Reagan came to power, the Iranians quickly complied, freeing the Americans held hostage, if I'm not mistaken. And afterwards, we started to arm Saddam Hussein in his bid against the Iranians, if that makes any sense, not that much of anything does in the U.S. any more.

In any case, I don't particularly care too much for the Iranians' politics, given the U.S.'s bitter history with Iran. But I'd just as soon let bygones be bygones. After all, why should I care what they do over in their corner of the world, as long as it doesn't concern me or this nation? They can chop off as many hands as they please, and make all their women wear head scarves. It doesn't really bother me. Nor would it bother me if they attacked one of their neighbors; it's their problem, not ours. I'm not the world's police man, and shouldn't be expected to die for such nonsense. Nor should any other American.

More importantly, if I am to care about a country that has engaged in terrorist activities and is a threat to world peace--if there is any country in the Mid-East that fits the bill--Israel should be, first and foremost, stopped at all costs.

Now, Israel, as many of us who have at least half a brain realize, has bombed American interests in the past. The most well-known instances of such were the LaVon Affair and the USS Liberty, the latter-case being when the Israelis massacred 34 and injured over hundred Navy men aboard a ship with an American flag flying high in the wind, using napalm and machine-gunning the U.S.'s life-rafts down in an act to frame Egypt, which will never be forgotten by those few Americans who still care about our country.

The U.S. President at the time, the traitor LBJ, allowed this to occur; in fact, a Russian ship came to the USS Liberty's aid long before any American saw them, despite U.S. fighter jets that could have stopped the massacre in process and saved at least 34 American lives.

And, of course, there have been many attacks against our allies too--such as when Israel bombed England's King David Hotel, etc.

Most people realize this--or, they should, at least.

More recently, Israel has continued this trend of deceit. It has been selling U.S. military secrets to China. The heads of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee have been engaging in espionage. And, as some cognizant of Israel's activities are quick to point out, Jonathon Pollard stole the equivalent of a full room of military secrets for Israel, some of which caused the death of U.S. agents.

In any case, it goes without saying that Israel is no good. It has nuclear weapons. It has engaged in terrorism against the U.S. It steals stuff that it shouldn't. It uses its foreign-based political action committees through dual-citizens to shape American policy (and thereby get a recurring grant of at least $4 billion every year--often much more). If we are to believe that Apartheid is bad and so is racial hatred, then let's look at their massive Apartheid Wall, which they're building on the tops of Palestinians' homes, and their laws that prevent non-Jews from gaining full citizenship, from being allowed to live in certain areas, and from even marrying some Jews (their priestly sect). Oh, yeah, and the Israelis (or, at the least, a prominent Israeli who was cited by a major Israeli paper, with some others reportedly in agreement with said statements) have threatened to bomb parts of Europe, at one time, if anyone there dares to annoy their fragile little egos.

Again, the Israelis are just plain no good.

So, why the heck should we be focusing on Iraq and Iran, when there is no doubt that the Israelis have WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION and they might very well use them? Let's just get it over with, and attack that little rabid pitbull in the Mid-East, Israel.

Now, I understand that Israel's air force is one of the greatest on the earth; in fact, they've stolen the best technology from the U.S., Russia, England, Germany, Italy, etc., ad nauseam. So they should be. They've got a lot of good planes, and many good pilots.

It would be a war with many hazards, with all their Zionist traitors scattered throughout America, ready to put their true love of Israel-first to the test.

However, being a true patriot, I'm willing to take this risk; and promise to be the first on my block to enlist when Uncle Sam gets a spinal cord implant and decides to do something about that terroristic nation in the Mid-East, Israel.
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It is not the case that a belief is worthy of respect, or is even interesting merely because it is widely held, though that it is widely held may give one food for thought. Of the religions I studied, the one I found least worthy of intellectual respect was Judaism.

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Old 10-29-2005, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: Should the U.S. Declare War on Iran - or Israel?

All US troops should be pulled back to US territories only, and all wars recinded. Troops should be for defense only and most of those should be only reservists with a gaurantee that they wont be sent into another country.
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Old 10-29-2005, 04:25 PM
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I was reading about these Sunburn missles that Iran has from Russia. If Israel attacked Iran with it's US supplied F-15s and bunker-buster bombs it would have to fly over Iraq because of the range of the F-15. This means that even if the US doesn't take part it would still be liable for allowing Israel to fly over Iraq.

I was reading that the Sunburn is a mach 2.1 sea skimming cruise missle with a range of 100 miles and can carry a 750lb conventional load. It flys below the radar and makes erratic manuvers as it closes in on the target. It can also tell the difference between a carrier and its escorts. With dozens or hundreds of these flying around the gulf from the coast of Iran it would make that whole area a killing field for US ships which have little or no defense against them. Argentina had only 5 missles of this style, one that wasn't as good (sub sonic) and it sank two British war ships.

So with ship access cut off from Iraq the troops there will be in a tough spot since everything would have to come and out by plane. Of course Irans cities and bases would be flattend too but these missles are mobile and hidden all over.

If that played out both sides would do a lot of damage to each other - maybe enough to usher in the NWO? I doubt it - something else bigger would have to happen too.

You can read about it here...
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article7147.htm

And one from the late Joe Vialls - good pictures.
http://www.joevialls.co.uk/myahudi/sunburn.html

Maybe it's all wrong, who knows anymore but I thought it was very interesting. I hear many arm chair warriors that the US military is untouchable but if they did a little homework on the matter they might not be so eager to get into these situations.
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Old 10-29-2005, 05:33 PM
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Default Countdown to World War Three

See Henry Makow's article regarding the manoevering of nation states into WW3.

http://www.savethemales.ca/000546.html
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Old 10-29-2005, 07:12 PM
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Confessions of a Philosopher:

It is not the case that a belief is worthy of respect, or is even interesting merely because it is widely held, though that it is widely held may give one food for thought. Of the religions I studied, the one I found least worthy of intellectual respect was Judaism.

----British Scholar and Philosopher Bryan Magee in 1997
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This guy must be an absolute idiot or an absolute

liar because the exact opposite is true.
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Old 10-29-2005, 07:51 PM
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Excuse me, Nomad, but did Sharon die and make you God?

Mr. Magee was expressing an opinion as a result of his studies. He has the right to that opinion.

You made what you deem a statement of fact with which I, for one, totally disagree, IMHO.

You jewish supremacists neeed to seriously rethink your position. That crap may work in Israel but it is quickly falling out of favor everywhere else, or haven't you noticed?
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Old 10-30-2005, 08:30 AM
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Just stop and think about it if the devil in the bible realy exists dont you think he would turn the whole world against God's people at the same time convinceing people to worship him all the while thinking their worshiping the true God?
At the same time God has turned against them (Isreal) Himself many times for thier sin and arrogance so I would be cautious of takeing thier side but I would never stand against Isreal its suicide even the nations that God used to work her over are eventualy judged by God for doing what He made them do. lol
Of course we could get into the whole debate about whether todays nation of Isreal is the true Isreal (I dont think so they may be Judah however so not much different in many ways). However I do believe God has a special place for all people that try to keep His laws. So in any case I would never touch Isreal myself.
Also people should stop and think many supposed Jewish leaders are likly false Jews from the devil himself (I've heard nearly all Isreali leaqders are 33 degree masons)so the bad things they do should be no surprise but that dosent mean they as a people are bad. Would any US americans (or christians for that mater) here like to be judged by what the Bush family has done?
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Old 10-30-2005, 09:11 AM
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Isn't it funny, having talked lately about symbols, that the "Star of David" is composed of two triangles, a triangle symbolizing the Trinity to some, but to Masons of the 33rd degree the TWO interlocking triangles of the "Star of David" could very easily and logically symbolize 33.

Of course, there are many meanings of the six-pointed star, composed of two triangles, one pointing up, the other pointing down, another universal symbol.
Those who are interested can easily look it up.
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Old 10-30-2005, 06:06 PM
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Confessions of a Philosopher:

It is not the case that a belief is worthy of respect, or is even interesting merely because it is widely held, though that it is widely held may give one food for thought. Of the religions I studied, the one I found least worthy of intellectual respect was Judaism.

----British Scholar and Philosopher Bryan Magee in 1997
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This guy must be an absolute idiot or an absolute

liar because the exact opposite is true.
To my mind, a religion requires (at least) 3 attributes for it to really be considered *legitimate* (and I saying this only in the context of a long study of comparative religions of the world, and wrt which religions seems to last the longest, bear the best "fruit", etc)..

Anyway, to be a "successful" long-term religion, it requires (imho) the following three attributes:

1. A strong, responsible moral code
2. Manifestation of God as a Trinity
3. Concept of being "Born Again" (i.e., Resurrection of the Soul, "Enlightenment", etc)

Christianity has all three, and is moving into its third millenium. The Egyptian Mystery Religion had all three and lasted for well over three millenia.. Hinduism has all three, and has lasted for what? five millenia at least..

So w/o commenting on the relative merits of each such faith, i.e., "who's right" and "who's going to heaven, who's going to hell", etc, there are certain "common characteristics" you can pick out among the successful religions.

The Greek Mysteries + Mythology, on the other, were strong in points (2) and (3), but they lacked (1) (the Greeks were rather libertine, I've heard! :-P ) Hence, they were in ascendency for only several hundred years.

Likewise, Judaism has (1) (The Ten Commandments) but it lacks (2) and (3). Judaism is not, as such, in my view, a "sustainable" religion. The only reason Judaism is even alive at all today (and hasn't gone the way of the Cult of Mithras or Zoroastrianism or some other obscure near eastern religion) is precisely b/c of Christianity (and later Islam), and b/c these larger religions piggyback off the Jewish scriptuire. And w/ only 14 million "believers" globally (compared to Christianity's 2.1 billion, or Islam's 1.3 billion), Judaism can hardly be said to be competitive w/ these two, more inclusive faiths (which do - in the their own way - include the three points I listed above... I know Muslims officially *deny* a Trinity, but it's actually there in their Scriptures, hidden cleverly, if you search for it.. it's *not* in the Jewish Scriptures).

btw, Judaism is much younger than you think it is ... it does not date from *any* earlier than 500BC, and it would have completed self-destructed by the time of Christ had it not been for Christ.. and like I said, since that time, Christianity is (imho) has been the sustaining force behind Judaism, more than anything..
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At the same time God has turned against them (Isreal) Himself many times for thier sin and arrogance so I would be cautious of takeing thier side but I would never stand against Isreal its suicide even the nations that God used to work her over are eventualy judged by God for doing what He made them do. lol
I think you really need to get past this "Israel is the chosen people of 'God'" type rhetoric.. That's not a responsible way of looking at much of anything.. not for an American, not for a Christian, and frankly not even for a Jew.

In the first place, God judges all men individually.. always has and always will. It's not a "collective" thing where if I belong to this nation/group/people/religion then I'm cool, and if not then I'm going to Hell.

Secondly, all Spiritual literature is allegorical in nature. If it's not allegorical, then it's not Spiritual. For reasons I don't want to get into here (I don't want to get anywhere close to it, in fact) it's *unlawful* to discuss the Divine directly, in any manner other than through symbolism and allegory. St. Paul offers some direction on this in 2 Corinthians 12:4. The point is, even the OT is highly allegorical. Adam and Eve are an allegory. Noah's ark is an allegory. Moses parting the Red Sea is an allegory. Joshua commanding the Sun to stop is an allegory. King Solomon is an allegory (the *real* King Solomon lived in the Hindu Kush, btw, not in Jerusalem)..

The point is, when the OT speaks of "Israel" as a "chosen people" or even of "Jerusalem" or a "Temple in Jerusalem", it's doing so allegorically. These are *not* literal truths to be interpreted as such. Jerusalem symbolizes the Heart Center w/in man.. the Temple symbolizes the *temple* that all pious, God-fearing men must build therein, wherein they may find and worship God.. "Israel" symbolizes the physical body that surrounds this Heart Center. I don't want to delve too deeply into exegis here, but the point is you should *not* take these Scriptures at face value. You are harming yourself if you do.

Thirdly, the "Israel" of the Bible never existed. The Jewish OT does not date from any earlier than (about) 500 BC, and is nothing more than a variation on Persian Zoroastrianism, brought into the Levant by the conquering Persians in order to subdue the local Canaanite population and build a buffer state between Persia and Egypt. The Persian "fire god" was blurred w/ local Canaanite dieties like "El" and "Yahweh", and the history of the local Judeans and Israelis (i.e., Canaanites) was rewritten to give them an inflated opinion of themselves. "Jews" themselves are Chaldeans, Babylonian Magi (w/ names like Ezra and Nehemiah) who carried out this colonization policy at the behest of the Persian Emperor Cyrus. Iron Age Israel (the "Israel" of King Solomon, etc) never existed. Israel in 1000 BC was a minor, inconsequential, pagan, goat-herding fiefdom centered around the Jezreel Valley (from which it takes its name, Jezreel == Izreel). It was never anything more..

Lastly, I don't care what the name of the country is or what symbol is flies on its flags, but a rose by any other name still smells as sweet, and a piece of shit by any other name still smells pretty damn bad. I'll let you guess which bucket the state of Israel falls into, but (imho) the modern state of Israel is most certainly *not* a Creation of the Hand of God.. anything but. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise..
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