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Old 02-15-2005, 07:20 AM
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Peace,

The main theme on the conspiracy websites is "the illuminati" are behind everything!
Yet this "illuminati" was never identified!
Who is behind the confusion? and why?
Some say they are the Rothchilds, some say they are the Jews, some say they are the Freemasons, or the neocons!
If this is true, why are they fighting teach other? why the devision?

What are we following?, nothing but conjecture and guesswork.

Rest assured that there is no such "united" front, and there shall never exist sucha unity among Satan's troops. Why? because Satan's ideology is based upon devide and rule, his main goal is the destruction of the human being. He developes bonds between his followers and false gods (mere mortals, power, status, money, women...etc) then naturally these attachments result in a conflict of interests.

Why Satan want to hide behind this "illuminati" propaganda? to distract us from the main issue, the main issue is that we individually have developed the same attachments like those potential suspects (aka: elite illuminati).

The Christians have a big idol, Jesus, the Sunni muslims also have an idol, Muhammad, the Shi'a muslims have another idol, Ali (Muhammad's cousin). As for the Jews, they have many, Rabbis, Isreal and their egoes.

this is not an attack on anyone, but rather a stating of facts. If all these religions have the same god, what are they fighting about? The messenger of the covenant Rashad Khalifa said it right, they are fighting because of the human factor. If there are no idols (false gods), if there were no false attachments (obsessions, addictions, phobias and hates) there would be no reason to fight.

So as you can see Satan thrives on this devision. Introducing this invincible elite propaganda will further distract us, we human beings from the fundamental issue, that we have disregarded God en masse in favor of human and material idols.

Don't believe me! ask yourself "what occupies your mind most of the time" and believe it or not, whatever it is (e.g:Jesus, illuminati, saints, women) It is your god.

[10:18] They worship beside GOD idols that possess no power to harm them or benefit them, and they say, "These are our intercessors at GOD!" Say, "Are you informing GOD of something He does not know in the heavens or the earth?" Be He glorified. He is the Most High; far above needing partners.

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Old 02-15-2005, 07:48 AM
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Hello Ahmad. Just want to say, that I've read your posts througout the differenct topics, and really I can't help to ask the obvious, but... So, in other words you are sold on the idea that this satan is to blame for everything? Correct? Sorry, but I'm really having a difficult time accepting the existence of this satan creature/man/god or what have you. We have free will. Man has greed, lust, etc. Man is just working it to the max. I'm sorry, but I get tired of the satan thing. You give him/it/whatever too much attention, and credit. It seems to me you give this 'satan' life.
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:44 AM
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Peace,

Saying that Satan is the real enemy, doesn't mean believing that he has power.

The main message of God throughout history was just that: " Satan has no power, only God has power".

You feed Satan when you buy his propaganda, a big industry that given this momentum will take over from mainstream media!, Alex Jones alone is said to have more than 2 millions of audience!

You feed Satan when you believe that he has a power to benefit you (thus buy his false promises of gratification) or harm you (thus become handicapped with fear).

The march to Victory and freedom begins here and now, no need to wait for a human savior to save you!. Look for your addictions, phobias and destroy them and return back to God, none except He can give us what we need.

Someone said that, the greatest trick of Satan is convincing us that he doesn't exist.
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Old 02-15-2005, 11:19 AM
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The main theme on the conspiracy websites is "the illuminati" are behind everything!
Yet this "illuminati" was never identified!
Who is behind the confusion? and why?
Some say they are the Rothchilds, some say they are the Jews, some say they are the Freemasons, or the neocons!
If this is true, why are they fighting teach other? why the devision?

What are we following?, nothing but conjecture and guesswork.
Division is a diversion

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much of what passes as "scholarship" on the net is bunk.
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Old 02-15-2005, 03:03 PM
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hell-o, why do we say hell-o
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Old 02-15-2005, 11:38 PM
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'Hello' is probably a derivation of the German word 'heil' from 'zig heil' or 'hail' as in hailing a cab. The o suffix is probably a Britishism as in Cheeri-o! All speculation on my part.

Back on topic, I've always thought that an obsession with identifying numerology, for example, in all matters masonic, is sort of giving their deeds more life. Certain things are unavoidable to notice like WWI ending on Nov 11 at 11 am etc. but when people start getting into multiplying and dividing that seems counter productive.

I've always felt it was better to not label who was doing the damage, but what they were doing.
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Old 02-16-2005, 01:13 AM
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As for the hello stuff, it does come from german but not what the previous poster clamed. The german greeting Hallo- sounds like hollow with the accent on the the 2nd syllable goes back to 5th or 6th century. It comes from the mixed greeting of roman soldiers trading with the germanic peoples. So its half german- half roman. i cant remember the root words but thats the jist of it
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Old 02-16-2005, 05:58 AM
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Ahmad:
:-? Why Dont you ask the man himself Mr Makow this one!
As for me!. It is my belief that too much pride in Ego is the factor that gives humanity its dark side! To discipline this tendencey is the role of must monotheist religions is it not!

The problem is that too many of us would all like to be our own Gods its as simple as that, rather than submit to the almighty!.Ahmad although you follow an interesting cult which i am not sure agree with 100%.I think you sincerely already have the answers more than many others here your a good man at heart i am sure!

I am no angel however I only explode when others insult me. A few have done this but they got back as much as they dished out!.

It is very easy to be Egocentric in western society for obvious reasons it pushs us to compete at the expense of social cohesion and respect for others as human beings.
Yes here I go again me the socialist.But you individualists should know my approach by now!.

The modest in my view who are most God like and get called weak and lazy.
They are targets for being tarred and feathered. There are no prizes for for being modest and without pride in western society is there!.The law of the Jungle applies we are the beasts!.Therefore we are encouraged to be beast like rather than civil 8-)
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Old 02-16-2005, 10:57 AM
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Peace Ozziecynic,


I won't ask anybody because i know as you said the truth. The illuminati is Satan's propaganda to show us that they are united, when they are not.

In the scriptures,unity is an attribute of the sincere, meek or oppressed modest people as you call them. The egoistic creatures can not be united because of the different false gods they follow (mainly their egoes). If we all submit to the Almighty, He being the Most Merciful will forgive us and relief this blanket of misery from the face of the earth.

And you know what, it is us who follow our egos knowingly instead of the truth.

P.S: Forgive if you want to be forgiven, an equal revenge is jsutified though.


[45:23] Have you noted the one whose god is his ego? Consequently, GOD sends him astray, despite his knowledge, seals his hearing and his mind, and places a veil on his eyes. Who then can guide him, after such a decision by GOD? Would you not take heed?
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Old 02-16-2005, 06:26 PM
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"Forgive if you want to be forgiven, an equal revenge is jsutified though," Ahmad says.

Here's a key point to notice about Ahmad's false religion.

"Revenge is justified," he says. This is totally opposed to Biblical teachings but to Arabs/Muslims this is central to their core thinking.

Getting even is a way of life with people who reject Biblical truth. They live by the law of the jungle, the law of the violent sword and this is reflected in virtually every Muslim nation on earth even down to including swords on their insignia.

"The Lord hates a crafty man."

Jesus said to "pray for your enemies"---NOT to take "revenge" upon them for this is how all evil men act and think. (Trust me, I know all about getting revenge on my enemies and it is satanic and evil to think this way.)

"Vengeance is mine," sayeth the Lord. When a man decides to 'get even' or to 'take revenge' on others he is violating God's word and walking into the domain of demons.

Jesus wants us to pray for our enemies so that they can be saved because they are lost and close to perishing.

Trust me, if you have enemies and you pray for them to find the Lord and find peace--you are pleasing the Lord.

And should your enemy reject the Lord and come after YOU--He will be setting himself against the Lord--and that's one battle he will lose.

"The Lord fights our battles for us" if only we will let Him do so.
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