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Old 11-16-2005, 10:30 AM
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By Weben Hadd
Nov 11, 2005, 02:14


A Hebrew Israeli radio station, Kol Yisrael, on October 3rd[2001] reported that during an argument in an Israeli cabinet meeting, Shimon Peres warned Prime Minister Ariel Sharon that unless he would heed American requests for a cease fire with the Palestinians, he could cause America to turn against Israel.



In a fit of anger, Sharon responded to Peres: "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."



Well, there it is, folks — and you couldn’t have it from a better source! Now, if I had said something like that, well, you know what the response would be. But now that the cat is out of the bag, we can take up the implications of that statement free of worry that we can be accused of making it all up or hating anybody because of their religion.



First, it does explain rather handily how the Israelis could have ruthlessly and repeatedly attacked an unarmed US Intelligence ship and felt assured that not only would McNamara call off a defense of the vessel, but Lyndon Johnson would back him up saying: "We will not embarrass an ally." The guns of Dallas must have still been ringing in his ears.



As two Liberty crew members put it: “During the Six Day War between Israel and the Arab States, the American intelligence ship USS Liberty was attacked for 75 minutes in international waters by Israeli aircraft and motor torpedo boats. Thirty-four men died and 174 were wounded.



The attack, which was a war crime, has been a matter of controversy ever since. Survivors and many key government officials including Secretary of State Dean Rusk, former JCS Chairman Admiral Thomas Moorer, and nearly every senior American intelligence professional say it was no accident. Israel and its supporters insist it was a "tragic case of misidentification" and charge that the survivors are either lying or too emotionally involved to see the truth.”



Why would Israel attack an American ship in broad daylight in the first place, I can hear you ask. Glad you did. You see, Israel has a long history of what are called in the trade “false flag” attacks. One of the most famous was the July 22, 1946 Jewish terrorist attack on the King David Hotel, killing 91 British soldiers, blaming the atrocity on Arabs. When later caught, the Israelis said the British had a list of their Arab spies and were going to turn them over to the Palestinians. In this case, the goal of the false flag was to pit the British against the Palestinians.



Then there was the notorious Lavon affair, when Israeli agents bombed a series of Western targets in Egypt in order to discredit the Egyptian Government. The goal of those attacks was to prevent the British and French from returning the Suez Canal to Egypt. Which brings us back to the USS Liberty, which was also intended to point to Egypt as the culprit. The Israelis did their best to sink the ship using rockets, torpedoes and even Napalm, and to kill everyone on board. If they had succeeded, it is likely the US would have attacked the false flag, and we would have never known the degree of brutality that the Israelis are capable of. Yet they didn’t even get their hand spanked.



Then there is the Jonathan Pollard case. In 1985, Mr. Pollard was apprehended by the FBI and charged with delivering massive quantities of top secret material to the Israelis, many of which had nothing to do with them, but were documents that the Soviets relished. Israel was trying to hasten the mass emigration of Russian Jews and was thought to use the documents in trade for higher quotas. While his fervid supporters declare that he only took secrets that involved Israel’s defense and he was not paid for his actions, it turns out Mr. Pollard had a bad drug and alcohol problem and was in fact paid $2,500 per month for his efforts. They also claim there weren’t that many documents involved. Yet Mr. Pollard “himself has estimated that the documents would create a stack six feet wide, six feet long, and ten feet high”.1 Hmmm.



And now we have an ongoing case that is scheduled to go to trial in April that should prove most entertaining. The FBI had been keeping tabs on Steve Rosen and Weissman of the American Israeli Political Action Committee (AIPAC) and they were observing them when in walked a noted neocon and Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin. After getting the goods on Franklin, the FBI flipped him, and got him to wear a wire to several meetings, but he flipped back, and the Justice Department laid indictments at the door of all three. While Franklin was serving up some useful secrets, it appears his real value was to take bogus information provided by the Israelis and insert it deep into the system. This almost assuredly will turn out to be the way the Niger forgeries were routed around the CIA and placed on the desk of Dick Cheney. After all, Franklin was at the meeting in Rome that is believed to be a key milestone in the provenance of the phony documents.



There is a detail regarding these forgeries that has escaped notice, so far. It is assumed that the letterhead and seals that were used to add authenticity to the otherwise crude forgeries were stolen from the Niger Embassy in Rome in January 2001. This was obviously ten months before the events of 9/11, yet someone already knew there would be a crucial use for the stolen items. If the Israelis used Franklin as the mule, that means they were involved in creating the forgeries, which means they knew that the Project for a New American Century dream of a new “Pearl Harbor” was in the pipeline, and were ready to take advantage of it to make sure the US would invade Iraq.



So if the Israelis are brazen enough to pull these, and many other stunts without fear of reprisal, how do “the Jewish people control America”? It just so happens that the private banks that own the Federal Reserve Bank are mostly controlled by Jewish bankers. If the Fed wants to serve up a depression in America, and it wouldn’t be the first one, they control the means to do just that. And this is why we Americans now live in the United States of Zion. Shalom, comrade.



1) “Why Pollard Should Never Be Released (The Traitor)”, S. Hersh, New Yorker Magazine, 1/99, posted at: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/576453/posts)

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Old 11-16-2005, 04:58 PM
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The Jews would argue that whatever power

they have anywhere is because they earned it.
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Old 11-16-2005, 05:44 PM
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I can't begine to imagine where they got that idea from.

Israel would still be Palestine had it not been for western European nations, America, Australia and South Africa before it went black.

Everything that is in Israel today has been paid for by someone else. Using our own money to buy our stuff doesn't count.

If it were not for the protection of these same countries, Israel would cease to exist. Oh, they would set off their nuclear bombs they got from somebody else and take quite a few people with them but I am not sure the cost wouldn't be worth it.
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Old 11-19-2005, 03:23 AM
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Quote from the Weber Hadd article:

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The attack [on USS Liberty], which was a war crime, has been a matter of controversy ever since. Survivors and many key government officials including Secretary of State Dean Rusk, former JCS Chairman Admiral Thomas Moorer, and nearly every senior American intelligence professional say it was no accident. Israel and its supporters insist it was a "tragic case of misidentification" and charge that the survivors are either lying or too emotionally involved to see the truth.
Really? That's interesting. Let's see if that argument can be used to refute the Holohoax survivors' claims:

the Holocaust survivors are either lying or too emotionally involved to see the truth.

Wow. You most certainly can.

So in the USS Liberty case we are to believe that the survivors of Jewish war crimes - an attack they're not even denying - are "either lying or too emotionally involved to see the truth" but in the case of THEIR OWN "survivors" of Nazi "war crimes" - of which there is NO EVIDENCE - we're NOT to apply the same argument, because apparently Jewish "survivors" can't be questioned, lest we "blaspheme the Holocaust", "hurt their feelings", "disregard their experiences" or "incite hatred".

We're to believe Jewish "survivors" simply don't lie.
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Old 11-20-2005, 07:55 AM
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We're to believe Jewish "survivors" simply don't lie.
The list is so long as to take a few pages.

We had one recently in Oz. This guy claimed he was in Awshwitz as a child. Showed his tatoo and wrote a book. The Jewish publisher was interviewed before the evidence to show he was a fraud. She was crying, singing it's praises. Then she is shown that the guy is a freakin CATHOLIC brought up in rural New South Wales. She did'nt flinch. Simply stated that it was still a moving book based on real life events that happened to people during the time.

It was so pathetic to watch. Who else could possibly get away with this?

The T.V current affairs show who did the expose was the highly respected "7.30 Report". Hosted by Kerry O'Brian. Our version of Jim Leherer but with balls.
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Old 11-20-2005, 08:59 AM
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Barbara wrote:
I can't begine to imagine where they got that idea from.

Israel would still be Palestine had it not been for western European nations, America, Australia and South Africa before it went black.

Everything that is in Israel today has been paid for by someone else. Using our own money to buy our stuff doesn't count.

If it were not for the protection of these same countries, Israel would cease to exist. Oh, they would set off their nuclear bombs they got from somebody else and take quite a few people with them but I am not sure the cost wouldn't be worth it.

Do you know more than God ?

Deuteronomy 30:16-20

16 If you obey the commandments of the LORD your

God which I command you this day, by loving the

LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by

keeping his commandments and his statutes and his

ordinances, then you shall live and multiply, and

the LORD your God will bless you in the land which

you are entering to take possession of it.

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Notice that

1. it says they will take POSSESSION of the land

2. notice WHO said this is to be so


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