Does George Bush Represent a Rift in NWO?

[truebeliever]

I agree with you.

We'll have to wait and see.

The truth comes out eventually.

We must remember how far we've come.

The truth of the Reichstag fire was known in related circles in the 60's. It's become common knowledge now as has Hitler dressing political prisoners in Polish uniforms and shooting them near a German radio tower and blaming an attack by Poland to justify war.

There were endless lies in the German press EXACTLY like it is now in the press with Iraq.

But we're onto it straight away!

Everywhere I go in Oz I find people who dont even know how to use the net are talking of all the lies used to justify war including the covert op that is 9-11.

Thats a long way from 50 years ago.

Thanks an awful lot to the net.

I live in hope.

Moore will definately be talking about SSRI's. If he does'nt then i'll conclude the perhaps obvious.

[Draken]

He might talk about SSRI's but NOT in relation to the Columbine killings!

Apropo Hitler and the ins and outs of WW2, (and WW1 for that matter!), the amount of disinformation, lies and manipulation we've been fed over the years is so massive that I don't dare make any statement about neither Hitler nor Mussolini.

I've read so many contrasting facts, it's mindboggling.

I can warmly recommend the Juri Lina book Makow is quoting as reference in his latest article, "Architects of Deception". He has found some very contoversial evidence about what happened behind-the-scenes during those years.

[truebeliever]

Yes I'll definately look that up.

There are alot of holes.

No event in history has been shrouded in more lies and deceit than WW2.

So many events not even mentioned.

Fletcher Prouty writes well on that subject.
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As for Moore and Columbine I'm sure he will. Again if not, well i guess he's outed. Remember though, he does'nt want to be sued.

It's very easy to bag Moore. He mortgaged his house to make Roger and Me. Give him credit where credit's due. We're making headway.

The fact that SSUI's (it's actually selective seritonin 'uptake' inhibitor) are dangerous have been known from the start.

Any chemical fiddling with the brain especially with a vulnerable person is asking for it.

'Science' and scientists are so full of shit sometimes it's laughable.

If only people new how totally ignorent these specialists were they would be shocked.

[Draken]

'Science' and scientists are so full of shit sometimes it's laughable.

I'll drink to that anytime!!!

As if the only Science ever in existence is Western Science!

What about Ancient Indian and Chinese science?

[truebeliever]

Draken wrote:

I'll drink to that anytime!!!

As if the only Science ever in existence is Western Science!

What about Ancient Indian and Chinese science?

What! Those fools! What did they ever event that was useful!

I see no atomic bombs? What good can they be?
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[Draken]

truebeliever,

you see no atomic bombs invented by Ancient Indian Science? Check out this article:

THE EVIDENCE FOR ANCIENT ATOMIC WARFARE
Part 1 | Part 2
- by David Hatcher Childress
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/ancatomicwar1.html

"Some of the ancient ziggurats of Iran and Iraq also contain vitrified material, sometimes thought by archaeologists to be caused by the Greek fire. For instance, the vitrified remains of the ziggurat at Birs Nimrod (Borsippa), south of Hillah, were once confused with the Tower of Babel. The ruins are crowned by a mass of vitrified brickwork--actual clay bricks fused together by intense heat. This may be due to the horrific ancient wars described in the Ramayana and Mahabharata, although early archaeologists attributed the effect to lightning."


"If one were to believe the great Indian epic of the Mahabharata, fantastic battles were fought in the past with airships, particle beams, chemical warfare and presumably atomic weapons. Just as battles in the 20th century have been fought with incredibly devastating weapons, it may well be that battles in the latter days of Atlantis were fought with highly sophisticated, high-tech weapons."


"Consider these verses from the ancient Mahabharata:

"...(it was) a single projectile
Charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns
Rose in all its splendour...

..it was an unknown weapon,
An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.

..The corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognisable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white.

After a few hours
All foodstuffs were infected...
...to escape from this fire
The soldiers threw themselves in streams
To wash themselves and their equipment."

In the way we traditionally view ancient history, it seems absolutely incredible that there was an atomic war approximately 10,000 years ago. And yet, of what else could the Mahabharata be speaking? Perhaps this is just a poetic way to describe cavemen clubbing each other to death; after all, that is what we are told the ancient past was like. Until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, modern mankind could not imagine any weapon as horrible and devastating as those described in the ancient Indian texts. Yet they very accurately described the effects of an atomic explosion. Radioactive poisoning will make hair and nails fall out. Immersing oneself in water gives some respite, though is not a cure.

Interestingly, Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita:

'Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.'
I suppose we all felt that way.

When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was:

Well, yes, in modern history."


I say, that's mighty intriguing, don't you think? :lol:

[crowneagle]

Great point, Draken. But I think the ancient Indians and Chinese had less to do with "technology" and more to do with power of the mind to manifest changes in the world. The people of those days knew the effect of sound energy on the surrounding environment, and the entire science of "Mantra Shastra" was developed on this.

Modern science has also made some headway into this, though it still has a long way to go. But the following sites seem to provide valuable information:

http://www.mysticalsun.com/cymatics/cymatics.html

http://www.lyon-art.com/5-mandalas/1a-mandalas-4.html

It looks like the ancients were way ahead of us, and it does make me wonder whether we're really progressing or regressing! In my opinion, all technology is derived from its mental blueprint, and I suppose the ancients knew how to directly access this mental blueprint and bypass the need for technology......just a food for thought.

[nomad]

crowneagle,

The Rabbis would agree with you because the

ancients were closer to the source, so they knew

MORE about how reality works.

[Draken]

Very good observations, crowneagle.

Our need for technology is certainly degeneration of mental capacities. I will write more at a later stage on these issues. Also I'm very interested in hearing more about this from you! Mantra Shastra for example.

nomad, yes; the closer one is to the Source the more insight one has into how it all works. This "evolution" business I never really bought. It probably is much more like Michael Cremo says: "human devolution".

Check out his site: http://www.humandevolution.com/


Good night for now, guys! :-)

[freeman]

It looks like the ancients were way ahead of us, and it does make me wonder whether we're really progressing or regressing!

I think the situation that we're in now answers that question.
If the level of knowledge and technology that the ancients possessed was really so superior, then why did the Golden Age ever end?
This, I feel, is the inherent trap that those who get too deeply involved with the occult or esotericism can too easily fall into: Worshipping this secret knowledge as a panacea unto itself, instead of acknowledging man's spiritual failings as the real root of all our misery.

Even King Solomon, reputedly the world's wisest man, offered these observations in Ecclesiastes mear the end of a life which had brought him more wisdom than happiness and had even caused him to turn away from God in his final days:

1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

12:12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

I think that from the Biblical story of Eve and the apple, man's dilemma has been the same: Until he is ready to responsibly utilize the knowledge of good and evil that he acquired prematurely (from eating the apple), he will never return to paradise, and he will only acquire additonal knowledge at the risk of additional catastrophe.