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Old 11-15-2005, 07:10 AM
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Has China secretly been blackmailing the US, threatening to dump the dollar?
Consider first how the Clinton administration gave China some of Americas best Nuclear technology, the only reason I could see for this is that if he didn't he would know that the country would collapse, consider that the Republicans didn't have a real problem of him doing it, if they did say anything it was mearly show, consider also that they were trying to nail him with anything they could, how is it that they didn't speak loudly about this, and consider he couldn't have done it without the help and support of the republicans.
After Bush got into the WH the threat of China dumping the dollar was still there, and if they were now demanding gold for dollars, they would have gotten the go ahead to bring down the towers, since once down the gold was now missing, did they ship it over with the loads of steal that went directly over there?
On a slightly different bent consider that when it was leaked that the grand jury was going to indict the whole administration, but gonzalous refused to accept the indictments from Fitzgerald, soon afterward libby was the only player getting indictment, consider do you think he would refuse the indictments if the only one named guilty so far was libby, I don't think so, I believe that the indictments named them all, but they took him in to tell him the dark secrets of china foreclosing on america, and he backed off?

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Old 11-15-2005, 09:48 AM
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I think you're close.
It's not China specifically, but the whole debt-laden mess that the central banksters (Federal Reserve) have made of the U. S. economy that is driving American foreign policy right now, including the decision to invade Iraq because of Saddam's sales of oil in Euros rather than dollars.
The Illuminati have taken the U. S. to the brink of financial destruction, where every decision we now make is overwhelmingly obsessed with preserving the debt bubble, rather than what is in our own or the world's best interests.
The trap is just about ready to be sprung for the good ol' U. S. of A. :-(
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Old 11-15-2005, 12:40 PM
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No, China cannot own America unless America's owner, the Federal Reserve, sells it to China, much like taking something out of the right pocket and putting it into the left. When the time comes, the Chinese will find that they, too, are owned by the same cabal, most likely through conquest.

The International Banking Cartel foreclosed on the good old U.S. of A. in 1933 when the Fed called the National Debt due and payable and the Government was unable to pay up. The Supreme Court took "Silent Judicial Notice" that we were broke and the Government/country went into Receivership.

Since that time we have been owned and ruled over, covertly, by the International Banksters. It was in 1933, also, that the Social Security Act passed making it possible for the Fed to number it's new slaves, ownership having passed from the United States Government into the hands of the Bankers.

With the passage of the 14th Amendment back in 1866, instead of freeing the slaves, the perfidious Federal Government made us all (with the exception of the American Indians) slaves on the Federal plantation, thereby giving it the "right" to mortgage us - use us as collateral for their borrowing later. At the time it was simply to take our sovereign status away.

That is why the South refused to ratify it and, as punishment, was placed under Martial Law and divided into five districts under military governors. BTW, that has never been rescinded; we in the South have been under Martial Law for nearly 140 years. They just took the troops away and let the Southern States ostensibly rejoin the "union." It is a redundancy since 1933.

China is a Communist country, as is the United States, with differing outward manifestations. Truebeliever has been absolutely right in his efforts to tell you the difference between a Fascist State and a Communist one. A little freedom goes a long way in blinding a people to their true condition.

It has been to the Bankers' advantage to leave us with some illusions; we are more malleable that way. Let me assure you that the "hook" is in all our mouths and it is set, they can reel us in any time they want to. That goes for our progeny, too.
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Old 11-15-2005, 01:12 PM
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I agree with the facts you cite, Barbara, but in the end if all comes down to whether an overwhelming majority of people is willing to accept this financial hoodwinking perpetrated by a tiny minority of global elites operating through the central banksters.
This is the only reason they haven't technically foreclosed on all of us yet. We still have the strenghth of numbers and some capacity for independent action.
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Old 11-15-2005, 01:58 PM
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The operative words are "overwhelming majority," freeman.

There is no overwhelming majority anywhere that even knows who the enemy is, i.e., this tiny group that works through the central banksters.

When the SHTF, they will all look like deer in the headlights.

The world at large has not become demoralized enough, that is the only thing holding off the final stroke, the coup de grace. By the time we have reached that stage, we will probably welcome death.
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Old 11-15-2005, 02:09 PM
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You've probably heard that old saying, Barbara, about how the more a person has (wealth), the more they have to lose.
Perhaps the people who most fear the evil banking cartel are those who have the most to lose in terms of wealth, stocks, properties, etc.
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Old 11-15-2005, 02:23 PM
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I think it's still a viable consideration, first off the chinese do buy a shit load of dollars, I don't think they care that this country was already bankrupt, because the fact of the matter is they know someone will have to pony up, or the true crap hits the fan, and quite frankly if the phony face of america falls the bankers loose trillians, and the future of screwing us more.
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Old 11-15-2005, 02:36 PM
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You are certainly right about the more you have, the more you have to lose, Marsali. The problem is, they don't understand the mechanism that will take all their wealth - in whatever form - away.

Try telling someone about inflation. You get a glazed stare for your trouble. If you say that the uncontrolled printing of paper money is the only cause of said inflation, they will call you a liar and an uninformed one, at that. No, it's labor, no, it's management, no, it's government, etc.

Any "wealth" held as stocks and bonds will eventually only serve to keep you warm if you have a fireplace. Same will be true of paper money. We are all dealing in illusion. All these things are only as good as the Bankers say they are.

The stock market is so overvalued until it will fall from it's own weight of maya. The housing bubble, like the .com bubble and the S&L debachle and others before that will flush more trillions of dollars out of the economy.

Hey, just call me Little Miss Sunshine today. The hardest thing to do is prepare someone for what they don't want to happen. You have to get inside their "comfort zone." That is dangerous territory.

Guess I'll just go have another cup of coffee.
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Old 11-15-2005, 04:01 PM
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and quite frankly if the phony face of america falls the bankers loose trillians, and the future of screwing us more.
Wish I could agree, but I'm afraid I have to help Barbara dispense good cheer on this one.

1) Check out the Great Depression of 1929 and how people like old man Joe Kennedy went through it unscathed with inside info from their bankster buddies. They know when the hammer drops, so they will also know how to divert assets, currencies, etc. in the nick of time.

2) As Barbara has stated in another thread, the banksters have already been holding the paper on the entire nation -- all they have to do is forcelose and collateralize that debt when the appropriate time comes. In other words, they can seize legal control of the nation and all of its physical assets and properties in exchange for the national debt they can no longer collect.

3) At the highest level of this game, I suspect the true agenda has nothing to do with money or power, and that even the banksters themselves may be in for an ultimate screwing. At its core, the conspiracy is pure evil, feeds off the evil, perpetutates it to the point of self-destruction of the human race.

In short, I wish you were right, Torchlithill, but I forsee no scenario wherein common sense and self-restraint is exercised by the NWO, even for the sake of protecting their own fortunes.
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