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Old 11-17-2005, 05:00 AM
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:04 AM
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So who is at the top then?

Pawns are normally used unaware, and therefore unwillingly involved. Do they deserve your persecution?
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:24 AM
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No. But I have distinct views on "secret societies". Especially ones able to weal great power at the top.


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In Australia? Will get back to you. Eating dinner.
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:45 AM
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No. But I have distinct views on "secret societies". Especially ones able to weal great power at the top.
So I see, but there are many out there.

Are you going to have a bash as SRIA, HOAC, The Fellowship, The Foundation, (last two are the same and arrange the annual prayer breakfast), the list would be endless.

The comment is also very carte blanche, do you despise the many secret christian groups in muslim commnities, who stay hidden for fear of persecution. Isn't that how Christianity started, a secret organisation, Ichthus and all that.



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Hope your having something nice, had macaroni cheese myself. Not very filling and didn't taste all that good, but thats my cooking for ya.
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:54 AM
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The comment is also very carte blanche, do you despise the many secret christian groups in muslim commnities, who stay hidden for fear of persecution. Isn't that how Christianity started, a secret organisation, Ichthus and all that.
Do you fear persecution? If so, why? What practical persecution could you possibly suffer when in the place where I live the Police Service and the Judiciary are CHOCK full of Masons!

Of course, you do not need to be a "Mason" to be corrupt.

The "New Age" movement runs about bashing the crap out of the Christians. They are open about their plans. Why cant you be? The Catholic Church gunna burn you at the stake?
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Do you fear persecution? If so, why?
I do not really fear anything. There are things I believe I will be afraid of, but nothing that currently surrounds my life installs fear.

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What practical persecution could you possibly suffer when in the place where I live the Police Service and the Judiciary are CHOCK full of Masons!
But those same stations are also full of Christians, Catholics, Men but you do not see them being accused of anything.

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Of course, you do not need to be a "Mason" to be corrupt.
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The "New Age" movement runs about bashing the crap out of the Christians. They are open about their plans. Why cant you be?
The Freemasons continually try to be open, but if people will only believe what they want to, and not believe the truth what is the point.

Freemasonry has no global or local objective other than to offer fraternal friendships, the opportunity for men to leanr how to lead better lifes.

They do not offer anything that is not already available, there are no secret doctrines, no secret parchments in a vault that only masons can read, there is no real concealment at all.

If you want to believe there is something, and are unwilling to be proved otherwise then no matter what is said you will believe it is merely smoke and mirrors to try and throw you off (that isn't meant as in YOU personally)

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Inquisition all over again. Very godly that!
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Old 11-17-2005, 07:09 AM
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Bondi,

If you can't back up your claims that Masonry is compatible with Christianity, then don't make them.

First you say it is, now you say you are not even a Christian (but this I already knew).

The only reason you have then to be in Masonry, considering that it is possible that you are not an occultist, is to screw people outside the lodge and get business advantages. I consider that dishonest to say the least. You don't live your life based on merit, but based on who knows who. What is difference between that and the Mafia ? None. This only makes Masonry an enemy of everybody else.

And, of course, it is not because you don't believe in the occult that people at the top of Masonry doesn't. They do, and they use the cattle below who are only interested in the business connections to advance their agenda. There are dozens of accounts of high level masons who left the lodge and became Christians who told it all.
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Old 11-17-2005, 07:17 AM
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Here is a story that is ongoing and very much in the same vein of Taylors (Ford) book.

Richard Hamlin Vs. Satanic Ritual Abuse Conspiracy
by URI DOWBENKO

The Placerville, California trial of Richard Hamlin, a successful attorney in Sacramento, has all the hallmarks of a high-level Satanic Ritual Abuse criminal conspiracy, including allegations of MK-Ultra mind control, bio-warfare, child pornography, snuff films, and other "black" (covert military) projects.

The cast of real-life characters comes from "The Octopus" by Kenn Thomas and "The Last Circle" by Cherie Seymour, and includes former FBI agent Ted Gunderson and former CIA asset Michael Riconosciuto.

This convoluted case involves attorney Richard Hamlin, who appears to be the scapegoat-fall guy. It also involves his wife Susan Siemer Hamlin, who claimed that her father Dr. Sidney Siemer had molested her since childhood, that she had molested her own children because she had been mind controlled by a satanic cult including her father, and that later she was coerced into a murder plot against her own husband. Shortly thereafter she recanted her confession. Her husband Richard Hamlin was then arrested and has been imprisoned since February 2004.

According to Bay Area journalist Virginia McCullough, who has written extensively about the case on NewsMakingNews.com, a report was filed by El Dorado County Sheriff's Deputy G. Murphy who stated that "Husband & wife reported wife committing lewd actions with 3 of their 4 children and wife conspiring with satanic cult to murder her husband. Wife interviewed & children placed into Protective Custody with CPS. Forward to Detectives for follow-up investigation."

The initial report reads:
"2-26-04, Tuesday, 1535 Hrs -- I was dispatched to take a 288 lobby report. On arrival in the lobby, I met Richard Hamlin and his wife Susan. They made the following report regarding Susan molesting their children and being involved in a conspiracy to murder Richard this Sunday (2-29-04) night at midnight. Detectives Hoagland and Lensing were present during the interview.

"Susan originally told me that she is a Satanist and has ritually molested their 4 children... under the instruction of her father (Sidney Siemer). Susan said her family is involved in a satanic cult and that her father raped her when she was a young girl and "passed her around to whoever else wanted to rape her." She said H-male who is a friend of her father and is a high priest in the satanic cult has molested her since age 15. Susan said she last spoke with H-male in October of 2003.

Richard said his wife Susan told him that her dad Sidney, H-male, R-male and R-male had planned to murder him on this Sunday night (2-29-04) at midnight at their house on 3340 Beatty Drive, El Dorado Hills. Richard said the plan was for Susan to leave their house on Sunday night with their 4 children by 2100 hours. Sidney would have some associates stage a diversion in the backyard to draw Richard out of his house. Sidney, H-male, R-male and R-male would break Richard's car window, use his garage door remote to gain entry to the house and wait for Richard to come back inside the house to murder him.

Susan said this statement was correct and that her father Sidney and H-male had planned for the last 2 years to kill Richard at midnight going into March 1st. She also said that L-female told her that they had sent 2 Satanist ladies to the Hamlins' house in the disguise of Jehovah's Witnesses on the day he (Richard Hamlin) had an accidental shooting (2-5-04/case #04-1516). Those ladies were supposed to be checking on Susan since Susan's phone was disconnected and she had not had contact with them for the previous year and a half. Susan said she believed that her father and the others would get weapons from her brother but did not know this for sure.

Susan said March 21st in an installation date for Satanists. She said March 1st is 3 weeks prior to March 21st and is a starting or launching date for March 21st. This year (2004) is even more important since it's a leap year. Susan decided she would go along with the murder of her husband Richard so that she could become High Priestess. She said H-male is the High Priest in the cult.

Susan said Richard has been identified as "a Christian with a mission" and "must be eliminated " and that if Richard is allowed to live, he would cause problems for the Satanists. Susan said that Richard "won't go away," is a Christian with strong convictions and "has become a trophy head." She said "it would be a great victory for Satan if Richard is killed." Susan said that simply divorcing Richard (as opposed to killing him) was not an option for her if she was to prove her worthiness as a High Priestess.

Susan said she was supposed to speak with L-female at the Starbucks parking lot on Douglas Blvd. in Granite Bay 2 days ago (2-22-04) regarding the murder plot because Susan's loyalty was in question. She said L-female owns a blue Lexus and a red one. On arrival, Susan saw a red Lexus that looked like L-female's parked in Starbucks' parking lot. As Susan stepped out of her car, a man named "R-male punched her in her face, knocking her to the ground. R-male then kicked Susan all over her head and body. R-male told Susan "YOU BETTER STAY WITH THE PLAN IF YOU WANT TO BE HIGH PRIESTESS! STICK TO THE PLAN OR YOU'RE DEAD!' R-male then got into the red Lexus, made a U-turn and drove off. She described R-male as being a WMA, 47 years or older, some gray in his short hair and about 5"10".

Susan was bleeding from her nose. She didn't have a cell phone so she didn't call anyone. She sat there for a while because she was worried about going home and having to explain this to her husband Richard.

After about 20 minutes to an hour, Susan went home. Richard was asking questions about her injuries and what had happened. Susan hadn't told Richard about the murder plot until then. Rich then wanted to know all the details about the murder plot and her life during the past 20 years they had been married until he decided he had complete information. This process took 4 days since they knew "this story had a lot of crazy information" and "would sound ridiculous." They then decided to report this to the EDSO (El Dorado Sheriff's Office).

Susan said she molested three of their children 5-10 times each in El Dorado County between October 1999 and October of 2002. She said the kids were all asleep during each incident and did not wake up... She explained that 'THIS WAS TO KEEP THE KIDS COMFORTABLE WITH TOUCHING AND TO KEEP THE KIDS FROM THINKING THEIR SEXUALITY WAS THEIR OWN. THE KIDS HAD TO BE TOUCHED BY MANY HANDS'.................. She said she "THOUGHT SHE WAS BEING A GOOD MOM." When I asked what she meant by that, Susan explained that her father had taught her that was what a good Satanist mom was supposed to do.

She said the kids were "in a trance, a hypnotic state" whenever she did any of these molesting incidents. Susan said that her dad Sidney, her step mom and sister all molested her kids.

Susan also told us she witnessed a young girl being killed in 1982 while H-male was disciplining her (Susan). Susan was "strung up on a pegboard for 3 weeks." She said H-male killed a young girl who had been kidnapped. Susan was kept in cold storage and brought out twice to witness the murder. Susan said H-male and the others broke the young girl's bones and tied her in different shapes. Susan said the girl was alive when the torture started. Susan described the girl as being 9 or 10 years old and having dark hair. Susan didn't know who the girl was but said the torture and murder was filmed.

Detectives Hoagland, Lensing and I then re-interviewed Susan alone while tape recording the interview (item #2). Susan waived her Miranda Rights and again made the same statement and confession during questioning. I confirmed with Susan that the bruising on her face, throat and ears was from the beating that R-male had given her during their encounter at Starbucks in Granite Bay. I took photos of those injuries (item #1).

Based on Susan's and Richard's information, Detective Hoagland, Detective Lensing and I (G. Murphy) decided not to arrest Susan, pending further investigation. I advised Richard and Susan that their children had been placed into Protective Custody with CPS and gave them CPS' phone #. Both were advised that they were free to go and that Detectives would be continuing the investigation.

I booked the photos and film into EDSD Property as evidence. I ran all of the names Susan had given us to develop more complete address information for Detectives on follow-up investigation. Case forwarded to Detectives for follow-up investigation of the murder conspiracy and interviews of the Hamlin children. I notified CPS Worker Kate Campbell of the case # and she advised she would pick up a report copy from Records on Monday for her CPS investigation.

According to Virginia McCullough, "Two days later following her husband's arrest on February 28, 2004 and with the children still in protective custody, Susan Hamlin retracted her original statements to the El Dorado County Sheriff's Department."

"Individuals who wish to remain unidentified have said that Dr. Sid Siemer is a high ranking member of a CIA sanctioned child molestation ring called 'The Finders' and also a senior member of the Order of the Trapezoid, consisting of worshippers of the Temple of Set," writes McCullough. "Members of both groups have indicated that they consider themselves a type of royalty operating above the laws of man."

McCullough also notes "Richard Hamlin made a verbal request of Judge Keller to bring self described CIA asset Michael Riconosciuto to the Placerville courtroom to testify as a defense witness. On November 15, 2004 Riconosciuto had written a letter to his attorney is which he said: I have received letters from Ted's (Gunderson) client Richard Hamlin. When TLG (Ted L. Gunderson) first began writing to me about the case with his client and client's father-in-law Sid Seimer (sic) , I was horrified........I know Sid Seimer (sic) from the Wackenhut/Cabazon operation. Sid was close to J. P. Nichols and Wayne Reeder. My reaction to the allegations of Sid's cult involvement was one of horror because of how powerful he is in military and intelligence circles... Sid is at the top in the cult scene on the international level! This guy is extremely dangerous. Sid is a expert in plant biology and epizoology. He was directly involved with the Wackenhut/Cabazon operations biowarfare work with DARPA and the University of California."

Susan Hamlin had also written a note to her friend Lisa

"As you now know, I couldn't go through with our plan to take Rick down to Fresno to have his killed. The truth is that I want to be with him exclusively. I want to be totally committed to him and to Christ. My involvement in the past with incest and prostitution was under my dad's control originally - but was engaged in on a "choice" level as I got older. I have always struggled with where my allegiance was. I don't know what your feelings have been over the years related to the satanic beliefs and the prostitution you have been involved in.

"My marriage was entered into by me knowing that Rick was a Christian who stands up for what he believes in. I planned to use him to get back at Sid. Rick never knew any of this - and loved me in spite of all that I have done to him over the years.

"Finally, at 47, I choose to reject Satan, reject Sid, and reject all the lies and commit the rest of my life to Christ, Rick, my children and set on a path to right the wrongs I've done."

Will the Satanists be successful in railroading Richard Hamlin in his trial in Placerville, California?

Journalist Virginia McCullough calls the Richard Hamlin trial the "best conspiracy litigation in California."

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Old 11-17-2005, 07:28 AM
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Bondi,

If you can't back up your claims that Masonry is compatible with Christianity, then don't make them.
I have not made an opinion on it. There have been polls run time and time again, but I am not gonna try and tell someone I know more about their faith than they do.

Beside, if a group of Christians can't decide if it's compatible or not, how am I gonna know?

As for backing up claims, not one claim made in this section can be backed up convincingly. it's all hear say and speculation!

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First you say it is, now you say you are not even a Christian (but this I already knew).
Only mentioned polls, from my knowledge of Christianity it is all down to interpretation as to whether it is compatible or not. I don't know if my interpretations are correct, and therefore I do not quote them as truth, just opinion.

Know I say I'm not a Christian, never said I was. Do you presume everyone is until you know differnt or something. But no you can't of done that cause I cam quite categorigally a Mason, so you would of known from my first post I was not Christian.

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The only reason you have then to be in Masonry, considering that it is possible that you are not an occultist, is to screw people outside the lodge and get business advantages.
You mean the only reason you can think of that is of insult, you could of mentioned

Friendship
Fraternal gatherings
Social
Esoteric interests
Study
Philisophocal Dicsussion
Mutual Interest
Like minded individuals.

As for business advantage, my mates get more business advantage from me than the members of my masonic lodge. You will find a friend helps and friend more than a mason helps a mason.

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I consider that dishonest to say the least. You don't live your life based on merit, but based on who knows who.
What you consider is of no consequence. You can't see the wood for the trees, you make claims of dishonesty, on actions you presume to happen in an organisation you know nothing about. Very reliable you are, I must demit immediatley.

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What is difference between that and the Mafia ?
Apparently we pay the mafia and the hells angles :lol:

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None. This only makes Masonry an enemy of everybody else.
The people who make Freemasonry their enemy are either gullible or incapable of asking a question for themselves and believing the answer.

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And, of course, it is not because you don't believe in the occult that people at the top of Masonry doesn't.
okay I think we need to get something straight here, cause we seem to be getting a one rule for one and a one rule for another to suit the arguement. Apparently Freemasonry are all murderers, Paedophiles, Mafioso etc because some members have been, but just because the majority are good natured, kind, god fearing men doesn't men Freemasonry is.

Which is it, do the members define the group of does the group define the members. You can't keep chainging to suit.

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They do, and they use the cattle below who are only interested in the business connections to advance their agenda.
What they worship is of no interest to Freemasonry, worship is a matter for outside the lodge.

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There are dozens of accounts of high level masons who left the lodge and became Christians who told it all.
There is a book coming out entitle Workman Unashamed, regarding a man who demitted from Freemasonry to continue his journey through the ranks of the clergy.

He didn't demit because of incompatibility issue, he demitted because of the persecution and the abuse he received from the fellow clergy.

His books also tells of how he feels there are no issues of a Christian being a Freemason, and although he may not be the most qualified, he is certainly in a better place to judge the you or me.
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...Know I say I'm not a Christian, never said I was. Do you presume everyone is until you know differnt or something. But no you can't of done that cause I cam quite categorigally a Mason, so you would of known from my first post I was not Christian...
Isn't it a requirement that you have to believe in God to join the Masonic Org?
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