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Old 12-18-2006, 03:07 PM
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Now that is funny!

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Old 12-19-2006, 01:28 PM
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roscoe wrote:
EVERYTHING(without exception) is in motion; this is what life(as opposed to death) is all about.
One minute there is no exception... then instantly, all of a sudden, 'death' poppes-up as an exception.

Congratulations roscoe, you out-performed yourself: you managed to completely contradict yourself in just one sentence.

You sceptics are just a bunch of obstinate heretics who are...
Heretics? LOL

Roscoe, You are indeed proving that Heliocentrism is nothing but a fictious dogma that is only maintained by 21st-century inquisition. So heretics indeed.

selfish enough to think you can put a private interpretation on the Bible. This is what the 'Reformation' was all about as Luther, Calvin and Bacon rejected the Roman Calendar(which is based on the now scientifically proven fact that the Earth revolves aroud the Sun.
That's Bullshit and you know it, Mister self-declared "historian" roscoe.

The Vatican was also unambiguously Geocentrist/Geostatist until the Medici jew pope Leo X showed-up.

By the way I dunno whether Sir Francis Bacon (a.k.a. William Shakespeare?) actually was pro-geocentric Like Martin Luther. If not, then you don't really need to lump every anti-papist together. There isn't any point to be made by that in this thread's topical matter.

Question; if the Gregorian Calendar is to be rejected, then which one would you heretics propose that we use? Is there a special Rushdooney Calendar that we need to know about?
Don't put the cart before the horse. First ascertain the facts, then make whatever calender you want. Capite?
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Old 12-19-2006, 04:27 PM
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Clarification for nitpickers; everything that is alive is in motion.
Leo X may have been a bad Pope, but he wasn't a Judaic.

Francis Bacon was NOT Shakespeare and he WAS what you call geocentric.

Let's not confuse the false idea of Geocentrism( a phenonenom of natural science) with the spiritual idea that the Earth is the center of the Universe.

As far as the Calendar, the Church HAS ascertained the facts. Once that was done, the Julian Calendar was re-organised appropriately.
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Old 12-19-2006, 07:36 PM
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BTW Benoit; have you actually read the first book of DeRevolutioius? It is divided into 6 books but the first one is where everything is explained in general. The last 5(which I have not read ) go into the details. Has ANYONE in this discussion read the first book?
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Old 12-23-2006, 12:41 PM
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Thank God that the earth is NOT moving!!

When the earth does move it is called an EARTHQUAKE!!
St. Paul said:

"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of SCIENCE FALSELY so called" (I Timothy 6:20).



Almost perfectly spherical (round) stationary earth as viewed from outer space.

The Holy Bible is a GEOCENTRIC Bible because it states that God created the stationary world on the 1st day and it was not until the 4th day that the sun and moon were created.

"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing "(Job 26:7).

"The LORD (JESUS) reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished (stabilized), that it CANNOT BE MOVED" (Psalm 93:1).

"Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved" (I Chronicles16:30).

WYSIWYG — What you see is what you get!!

The Biblical geocentric model of the universe is called WYSIWYG — What you see is what you get...True science is supposed to be based on observation. We see the array of stars wheeling around the earth approximately daily, and we motorize our telescopes to follow their steady motion. We see the sun rising and setting daily. We see the planets doing roughly the same thing, and we see the moon following them on a somewhat different schedule, all revolving around the earth as our eyes testify.

There is no justification at all from what we observe to arbitrarily assume the stars to be fixed and the earth rotating. The beauty of geocentricity is that what you see is what you get! It is a simple and readily understandable scenario for those who are willing to believe what their eyes tell them, and make the mental transition back to the instinctive reference frame of a stationary earth.

Encyclopedia Britannica offers NO PROOF for a rotating earth!!

Many people consider the Encyclopedia Britannica the FINAL AUTHORITY on all scientific matters. No publication is as anxious to see the earth moving as the Rockefeller owned Britannica. So we won't be amiss if we consult this final authority on heliocentricity and see their PROOFS for the moving earth. Here is a quote from the New Encyclopedia Britannica:

"Basic planetary data. The mean distance of Earth from the Sun is about 149,600,000 km (92,960,000 miles). The planet orbits the Sun at a speed of 29.8 km (18.5 miles) per second, making one complete revolution in 365.256 days. As it revolves around the Sun, Earth spins on its axis and rotates completely once every 23 hours 56 minutes 4 seconds." (New Encyclopedia Britannica, vol. 4, p. 320).

You can search all 29 volumes of this final authority but you will look in vain for any PROOF for this revolution of the earth around the sun and its spinning on its axis every 24 hours. It is simply stated as DOGMA and to doubt is to be damned to a spinning hell forever by the "scientific" community.

The one proof they do offer is that the earth has a BULGE at the equator which they claim is caused by the earth spinning around for BILLIONS of years. Here is another quote from the final authority:

"The centrifugal force of Earth's rotation makes the planet bulge at the Equator. Because of this, Earth has the shape of an oblate spheroid, being flatter near the poles than near the Equator. Correspondingly, one degree of latitude is longer in high latitudes than it is in low ones." (Britannica vol. 4, p. 320).

Ordinary mortals cannot see this bulge however as it is visible only to the editors of the Britannica articles.

The sun orbits the earth every 24 hours

The sun orbits the earth every 24 hours.

The sun orbits the earth every 24 hours.

According to the Book of Genesis, the sun was not created until the 4th day. The earth was created FIRST and is the center of the universe.

Hundreds of verses refer to the sun as RISING and SETTING every day while not ONE verse ever refers to the earth as MOVING:

"The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. (Ecclesiastes 1:5).

"The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof (Psalm 50:1).

Heliocentric "astronomers" greatly exaggerate the size of the solar system and the universe. They make the universe so big that it cannot possible orbit the earth in 24 hours.

Take the sun for example, the ancient Greeks said that the sun was only about 3.000.000 miles (4.828.032 km) from the earth. This was the number given by Ptolemy and the great Arab astronomer al-Battani. Even Copernicus in his book On the revolutions of the heavenly spheres gives the number at about 3.000.000 miles. The rotating earth people stuck a 9 in front of the 3 and with this mathematical sleight of hand we have a sun whose distance from the earth is exaggerated 90 times!!

The seasons are caused by the annual motion of the sun around the earth!!

As well as orbiting the stationary earth every 24 hours, the sun also follows a spiral orbit from north to south each year. That is what gives us the 4 seasons.

The annual north-south motion of the sun gives us the 4 seasons.

The annual north-south motion of the sun gives us the 4 seasons.

Equinoxes, solstices, and tropics are the result of the north-south motion of the sun, starting with the vernal or spring equinox on March 21, the official beginning of spring in the northern hemisphere.

On that day, the sun lies on the celestial equator. The word equinox refers to the fact that, on this day, the night is equal to the day: each is twelve hours long. The sun is directly above the equator, so its rays fall vertically down.

Through March, April, and May, the sun moves north. On June 22 it reaches its most northerly point, 23 1/2° above the equator. In the northern hemisphere that day is called the summer solstice. It is the longest day of the year and the official beginning of summer. The sun lies on the circle of the earth called the Tropic of Cancer.

On September 23, the sun, moving south, reaches the equator again. The day is again 12 hours long. That day is called the autumnal equinox and is the official beginning of autumn.

On December 22, the sun reaches its most southerly point. That day is called the winter solstice and is the official beginning of winter. The sun shines up from beneath the equator. At noon the sun is straight overhead at points on the earth's Tropic of Capricorn, 23 1/2° south of the equator. At that time, it is the summer solstice in the southern hemisphere. The cycle again repeats itself and gives us our 4 seasons and the solar year.

The winter solstice occurs on June 22 in the southern hemisphere. 3 days later it is June 25 or "Christmas" day in the southern hemisphere. So merry Christmas to all down under!!!!

The moon orbits the earth every 24 hours 50 minutes

The moon orbits the earth in about 24 hours 50 minutes. This is called a lunar day. The resultant orbital lag between the sun and the moon causes the phases of the moon— and the TIDES.... It is the moon’s close proximity to us and the relatively strong gravitational effect it has on the earth that causes the OCEAN TIDES to follow the moon’s lunar schedule of 24 hours and 50 minutes per cycle.

In about one month the sun and moon are again synchronized and as a result we have the new moon and the cycle repeats all over again.

The moon orbits the earth every 24 hours and 50 minutes. Like the sun, the moon follows a north-south spiral, but unlike the sun, this movement takes I MONTH.

In a stationary earth the moon HAS to orbit the earth about every 24 hours. Every night, everybody on earth can see the moon rise in the east and set in the west in a 12 hour period but they are told to attribute this motion to the moving of the earth. Here is a quote about the moon from the final authority, the Encyclopedia Britannica:

"The Moon rotates about its own axis in 27.322 days, which is also the time that it takes to complete one orbit around the Earth. As a result, the Moon always presents nearly the same face to the Earth. Whereas the actual rate of rotation is uniform, the distance through which the Moon moves in its orbit from day to day varies somewhat. Accordingly, the face that the Moon turns to Earth is subject to a corresponding cyclical variation, the lunar globe oscillating slightly (as seen over time by a terrestrial observer) with a period nearly equal to that of revolution. The amount of this apparent oscillation, which is called libration, is commonly between 6 and 7 degrees." (New Encyclopedia Britannica, vol. 17, p. 299).

The moon is composed of some highly reflective material that acts like a mirror. The best guess is frozen water or ice. Like the sun, the moon follows a north-south spiral, but unlike the sun, this movement takes I MONTH.

Solar and lunar "declinations"
Yearly solar "declination"
Lunar monthy "declination"

The moon follows the sun's spiral orbit but instead of taking 1 YEAR it takes 1 MONTH to complete its north-south spiral. The moon and sun are not perfectly synchronized in their respective daily and north-south motion so that is why we do not get solar eclipses at every new moon and lunar eclipses at every full moon.

The phases of the moon

Everybody who looks up at the moon can see that it presents a different shape or face throughout the month. These different faces are called PHASES OF THE MOON. Since Galileo and Kepler, here is the way the "scientific" community explains the different phases:

In this typical helliocentric diagram of the phases of the moon the sunlight is coming from a stationary sun and the moon takes a MONTH to move around the earth.

In this typical heliocentric diagram of the phases of the moon the sunlight is coming from a stationary sun and the moon takes a MONTH to orbit the earth.

This is a typical heliocentric explanation of the phases of the moon. Notice that the sun is STATIONARY so the earth MUST do the turning.

In this scenario, the moon is moving very, very slowing around the earth taking ONE MONTH to complete a revolution.

The moon is supposed to move at a speed of about 2,000 mph or about 13 degrees to an observer on earth.

At new moon, the moon will be in front of the sun for about 3 days. At full moon, the earth will be between the sun and moon for about 3 days also.

How eclipses of the moon are caused

When the moon moves between the sun and the earth it casts a shadow or umbra on the earth, blocking or partially blocking our view of the sun. This is called a solar eclipse.

A solar eclipse occurs when the moon blocks the light of the sun from reaching the earth.

A solar eclipse occurs when the moon blocks the light of the sun from reaching the earth.

Notice how the "scientific" community describes a solar eclipse exactly as they describe a new moon phase of the moon.

Real solar eclipses are very rare and last at the most 10 minutes but with the moon traveling SLOWLY in front of the sun we should get a big solar eclipse every new moon.

When the earth moves between the sun and the moon it casts a shadow on the face of the moon, blocking or partially blocking our view of the moon. This is called a lunar eclipse.

A lunar eclipse occurs when the earth blocks the light from reaching the moon.

A lunar eclipse occurs when the earth blocks the light from reaching the moon.

According to the heliocentric theory, a lunar eclipse works exactly as the phases of the full moon.

The earth is 4 times larger than the moon so with the slow moving moon we should get a lunar eclipse every full moon and it should last at least a couple of days!!

The great celestial cover up

In the heliocentric system it is IMPOSSIBLE to have phases of the moon without having a major solar and lunar eclipse at least twice every month. The spinning earth can't save them this time because the shadow would just move with the turning earth and more people could view this spectacular heavenly display twice a month.

Here is a table of approximate moonrise and moonset times for the east coast of the U.S. at latitude 45 degrees and using daylight savings time. You will notice that the moon has about the same 12 hour period of earth orbit as the sun. Try looking up every night and checking it for yourself.
Moonrise Moonset Moonrise Moonset
New moon 06:00 AM
06:00 PM Full moon 06:00 PM 06:00 AM
Young crescent 09:00 AM 09:00 PM Waning gibbous 09:00 PM 09:00 AM
First quarter 12:00 PM 12:00 AM Last quarter 12:00 AM 12:00 PM
Waxing gibbous 03:00 PM 03:00 AM Old crescent 03:00 AM 03:00 PM

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Old 12-23-2006, 01:38 PM
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Have you even read DeRevolutionibus? Even if you don't agree with Copernicus you should at least read it before considering yourself an authority on the subject.
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Old 01-28-2007, 08:11 PM
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Two books I have recently read:1) Galileo's mistake by Wade Rowland-2) Galileo Heretic by Pietro Redondi. This last book claims(and I agree) that the real reason Galileo was brought before the Inq. was that in his book the Assayer, he was attacking the most Dogmatic of all Dogmatic Articles of Faith: the Real Presence in the Eucharist.

Transubstantiation is something that cannot be proved by science or reason. Galileo believed in Atomic Materialism(the erronious idea that matter is composed of atoms) which he used to debunk the Real Presence. Therefore the Jesuits were attempting to stop development of the Atom bomb by defending Transubstantiation.
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Old 01-28-2007, 09:56 PM
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My children, so knowledgeable.
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Old 01-28-2007, 10:33 PM
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cold wrote:
My children, so knowledgeable.
Cold, you'd know, 'cause you do a lot of flying around, right?
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Old 02-14-2007, 06:04 PM
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Geocentrism evidence 5 - Negative Parallax

Dr. Neville Thomas Jones, Ph.D., D.I.C., M.Sc.(Phys), M.Sc.(Comp), B.Sc.(Hons),
formerly of the Clarendon Laboratory, Oxford University, England.

Copyright © 2007 Dr. N.T. Jones.

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


When observing distant landmarks from aboard a moving train, it is noticed that those features that are closer to us seem to go past much faster than those that are further away. Indeed, very distant stationary objects traverse our field of view so slowly that they appear to be moving with the train. These otherwise fixed objects can thus appear to someone on the moving train as being in relative motion with one another. This apparent movement effect, caused by variations in proximity, is referred to as parallax.

The effect can be useful inasmuch as it allows for the determination of observer-object distances, as illustrated via Fig. 1, below.

Figure 1: Trigonometric parallax.

Here the train travels in a straight line from A to B. The observer, who is on the train, looks out of the carriage window at A and sees a distant object appear to be located at A'. When the observer reaches B, he peers out of the window again and sees the same distant object (which now seems to be at B' ). If we know the length of the baseline, AB, and the two angles a and b, then the shortest distance, h, between the object (in reality situated at C) and the baseline of the railway track can be worked out as follows:

h = Ax tan a = Bx tan b = (AB - Ax) tan b


h tan a = (AB tan a - h) tan b

which gives

h = AB (tan a tan b) / (tan a + tan b)

The tangent function is unstable when applied to an angle approaching 90°, due to division by zero being mathematically undefined, so the method of trigonometric parallax requires a baseline of reasonable length.

Stellar Parallax
A careful examination of photographic plates that have been exposed to the same region of sky, but at times that are a few months apart, will reveal the fact that some stars have shifted their position with respect to the "background" stars. Such stars are assumed to be closer to us than the (effectively) infinitely far away "background" stars, and the effect is naturally given the name of stellar parallax. The phenomenon consequently provides the astronomical community with a technique for determining the distance to a "nearby" star at C. This is because, if the World hurtles around the Sun, then points A and B of Fig. 1 can be regarded as two spatial locations on the World's orbit that are temporally six months apart, in which case the baseline, AB, can be as large as the major axis of the Sun-World system. Even with such a large baseline, the angle ACB turns out to be so small that the claimed closest star, Proxima Centauri, would be 4.3 light-years (l-y) away, if the assumptions of heliocentrism are correct.

Due primarily to the exceptionally detrimental influence of Hollywood on Western societies, the concept of a Star Trek-like universe has been ingrained from infancy into the minds of a very large number of people. One consequence of this is that the stars are generally perceived to be located at phenomenal distances from us. However, such vast distances were originally borne of paradigm-supporting necessity and although they may appear to be confirmed by trigonometric parallax calculations, it should be remembered that this technique is itself based upon the heliocentric assumption that it is used to support.

The Hipparcos Astrometry Satellite
From a NASA website [1] we read that, "The Hipparcos and Tycho [star] Catalogues are the primary products of the European Space Agency's astrometric mission, Hipparcos. The satellite, which operated for four years, returned high quality scientific data from November 1989 to March 1993.

"Each of the catalogues contains a large quantity of very high quality astrometric and photometric data."

There is considerable online ESA documentation [2] on this mission, and of particular relevance is their "Hipparcos and Tycho Catalogues Volume 1 Introduction and Guide to the Data," [3], and "Introduction to the Hipparcos and Tycho Catalogues" [4].

There is also a very useful research tool that enables results from their dataset to be retrieved via a parameter entry table [5], and we see from the associated 'ReadMe' file that the measured ranges for trigonometric parallax were as follows:

Hipparcos Catalogue, field H11, -55 mas to 772.33 mas.
Tycho Catalogue, field T11, -919 mas to 701.5 mas.
where one 'mas' is 0''.001 (for example, 250 mas = 0''.25).

In this discussion we shall refer exclusively to the Tycho Main Catalogue, because this has far more entries than the Hipparcos Catalogue and because these entries allow for a much more symmetrical distribution of parallax about the zero value.

Negative Parallax
There are 1,058,332 objects in the Tycho Main Catalogue, and these have a median astrometric precision of 7 mas for visual magnitude 9 and below, increasing through 25 mas for visual magnitude 10-11.

Using the ESA's parameter entry table [5], we selected field three (parallax) and specified a range of -919 (min) to -20 (max) mas, over the entire dataset. This produced 262,100 records of negative parallax objects, or 25% of the total.

Next we selected the positive parallax objects via a minimum value of 20 mas and a maximum of 701.5 mas. This resulted in 310,758 records, or 29% of the total.

The remaining 46% of the Tycho Main Catalogue entries can be assumed to possess zero parallax, within the precision of (0 ± 20) mas.

Section 2.2 Contents of the Tycho Catalogue [6] makes the following statement regarding Field T11, "The trigonometric parallax, π, is expressed in units of milliarcsec. The estimated parallax is given for every star, even if it appears to be insignificant or negative (which may arise when the true parallax is smaller than its error)."

A further test was conducted, to see if the stars moving across the astrometric instrument slit were directionally different in the northern celestial hemisphere to what they were in the southern celestial hemisphere. In this case, as well as the parallax field, the declination field was also selected. Of the non-zero-parallax stars in the northern celestial hemisphere (0°N ≤ δ ≤ 90°N), 45% of them had a negative parallax, and in the southern celestial hemisphere (0°S ≤ δ ≤ 90°S), 46% of non-zero objects had a negative parallax. So here again is a very symmetrical distribution that would be typical of a naturally occurring phenomenon.

In the geostationary model of the universe, these negative parallax values are not only easy to explain, in terms of shells of stars rotating about the World at very slightly different rates, but also are to be perhaps expected, given that a geostationary universe does not require such enormous distances to the stars.

In the heliocentric (or acentric) model of the universe, however, stellar parallax is assumed to be a direct consequence of the World's annual orbit of the Sun. In this system negative parallax values are a very major problem.

It is an indisputable fact that stellar parallax, like the phases of Venus, has been widely cited as "proof" that the World orbits the Sun. This is unfortunate, since the phenomenon proves no such thing. The only thing it does prove is that either the World or the star is moving with respect to the other.

At this the geocentrists usually rest their case, claiming that the adoption of a heliocentric philosophy is just as much a matter of faith as the adoption of a geocentric philosophy. However, this invocation of faith is unnecessary and unjustified, for if it were such a simple choice between the World going around the Sun, or some stars moving slightly in order to conveniently give the appearance of the World going around the Sun, then the heliocentrists would have a point of strong probability (as opposed to a point of proof) in their favour, and geocentrism would indeed become more faith than science. Contrariwise it is worthwhile noting that credibility sits more comfortably with the geocentrists regarding the sizes of the Moon and Sun discs producing the solar eclipse effect that we all enjoy, than with the heliocentrists and their claim of "coincidence."

The phenomenon of stellar parallax is not what we have been generally led to believe, because in exactly the same way that Eddington "proved" Einstein's General Theory of Relativity in 1919 by rejecting, omitting or deleting 60% of his measurement data on the bending of starlight, so modern astrophysics maintains the misconception that parallax "proves" the Kopernikan philosophy of the World hurtling around the Sun, by ignoring and dismissing the entire dataset of negative parallax measurements.

The ESA, unlike Eddington before them, have kept and filed data values which do not fit in with the ruling model of the universe, and should be commended for so doing, but nevertheless they do seem to dismiss a significant proportion of their measurements rather glibly. Of course, they do say that these may arise due to measurement error, but the number and symmetrical distribution of these values would tend to deny this as being anything other than an exception to the rule.

Furthermore, although angular parallax measurements are small (the largest positive value gives an angle ACB, in Fig. 1, on the order of only 0.7 of an arcsecond), the effect is known to be genuine by way of photographic plates taken at yearly intervals which clearly show the same slight movement of some stars with respect to the background star field. In other words, stellar parallax is an observable phenomenon that is repeatable, rather than experimental or statistical errors in measurement.

When the full picture is revealed and considered, therefore, it is clearly the geostationary universe that is fully supported by stellar parallax data, in complete contradiction to naturalistic, Western indoctrination, since only the geostationary model accounts for the hundreds of thousands of negative parallax observations that have now been recorded.

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