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Old 12-18-2004, 05:11 PM
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God's written word is very much at stake, and we should read it in a literal way, not resort to hermeneutics, in an effort to convince others of how clever we are (or rather, how clever we think we are, since those that do this are usually particularly stupid). Also, "heliocentrism" is the religion that teaches the gullible and the willingly ignorant that the Sun is at the centre of the universe. Secular science has disproved this one itself.

Up until 2001/2, I believed what I had been taught - that the World hurtles around the Sun and that men had actually set foot on the Moon. Not now, though. I was always unhappy at the consequences of this system, even though Galilei was a "great man," Kepler was a "great man," Kopernik was a "great man," Newton was a "great man," ad infinitum. And what is the end product of this teaching? Simply that the World, which our Father created out of nothing, would be an insignificant little lump of rock orbiting an insignificant little star in an insignificant little galaxy ... in just one of an infinite number of "possible" universes. Not much love there, then. Nothing much special about that. Not much of a "footstool."

Except that it's all just lies and rubbish.

To those who think that it was proved long ago that the World orbits the Sun, it may surprise you to know that the likes of Prof. Sir Isaac Newton, Prof. Ernst Mach, Prof. Albert Einstein, Prof. Bertrand Russell, Prof. Sir Fred Hoyle, and so on, would not agree with you. In actuality, exactly the opposite is true. The results of two simple experiments, both performed in the 19th-century, showed that it is the stars which move, and not the World.

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Old 12-18-2004, 05:58 PM
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Old 12-19-2004, 08:38 AM
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Conclusions

The conclusion is that the World does not orbit the Sun and that it does not rotate about an axis, either. This can be reasoned via the following logic:

The stars complete circular paths every 23h 56m 4.091s, apparently as a consequence of the observer having completed a circle of absolute maximum circumference 24,860 miles.
No similar, annual motion of the stars is observed, in consequence of our supposedly hurtling around an (approximate) circle of 584,058,077 mile circumference (i.e., 23,494 times bigger than the equatorial maximum given in point number 1).
Precession of the World's imaginary axis, such that it always points to the same point in the northern sky, will not produce such an alignment in the south, and vice versa.
The World therefore would have to remain aligned with the north-south axis of the celestial sphere, which, in turn, means that it cannot be orbiting the Sun, unless the stars are somehow tied to the World as the World moves.
Such non-fixed 'background' stars would be contrary to the heliocentric scheme.
Heliocentrism is therefore an invalid model.
Acentrism is therefore an invalid model.
Geocentrism (with a rotating World) is therefore an invalid model (see Proof of Heliocentric Incorrectness 1), because it is geometrically equivalent to a heliocentric model. Hence, since the heliocentric one is wrong, the equivalent geocentric one must also be wrong, simply because of its equivalence.
Star circles cannot be due to a rotating World, because they do not vary with latitude (a camera situated at the North Pole will still capture Polaris moving around the same-sized circle).
We are therefore left with a World that must remain on the north-south axis of the celestial sphere, must be central, because of countless other observations (e.g., Y.P. Varshni's paper, briefly mentioned under "Solar System," elsewhere on this website), and which cannot be a World that rotates.

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Old 12-19-2004, 02:41 PM
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The belief that the Earth is rotating on an "axis" and orbiting the sun is
THE GRANDADDY OF ALL DECEPTIONS IN THE WORLD TODAY...


Launched from its modern founder's deathbed in 1543, the Copernican Revolution ushered in a movement that has totally reshaped and re-directed ALL of man's knowledge (HERE)..

The Christian Bible (and the Koran!) declare the earth to be motionless. The mathematical Copernican model says the earth rotates on an "axis" (at over 1000 MPH) orbits the sun (at 30 times rifle bullet speed), and is whooshing around a galaxy (at 250 times rifle bullet speed) .....all at the same time.

Over the centuries, superstars in the physical sciences established the Copernican model as an unchallenged fact. This success paved the way for conquest of the biological sciences (Darwin et al). This transvaluation of values and philosophy (Nietzsche et al) then quickly spread to the social and behavioral sciences (Marx, Freud et al), to mathematics (Einstein et al), the Arts (Picasso et al), Education (Dewey et al), and so on through today's media reinforcement of all of the above. ..As the 21st Century gets its feet wet, man's "knowledge" is almost totally secularized and the Bible all but ignored as the source of absolute Truth from God Himself. ..The "sciences" reign supreme, and they do so because of the victory of Copernicanism over the Bible's motionless earth.

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Old 12-19-2004, 05:58 PM
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yah, yah, yah, yah....

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Old 12-19-2004, 07:33 PM
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Once it sinks in that ALL the phenomena pertaining to the cosmos is totally explainable by using a non-moving (geocentric) earth model, certain realities of the most profound sort begin to crowd one's mind and spirit irrepressibly. Among these realities are:

The realization that if a deception of this magnitude has been perpetrated upon the entire literate world, then an intellectual and spiritual re-examination of ALL of modern man's "knowledge" must be undertaken by all who prefer truths to lies. Such a re-examination would in fact be a counter-revolution against all facets of modern man's" knowledge" which are dependent upon Copernicanism for their very existence (HERE). The root and the branches, you might say. . . . Hence:
Evolutionism, the modern-day foundational premise of the Biological Sciences, must be re-examined. These "sciences" declare that all life forms (plant, animal, human) have arrived at their present state of ineffably complex design and function as a result of pre-existent matter acting randomly upon itself. In other words, the secular evolutionist's explanation for the origin of all life forms--the explanation taught everywhere as "science" with public funds--is said to be the result of lifeless, senseless "matter" ACCIDENTALLY acting upon itself-and producing all that exists--over millions and billions of years. After reflecting upon this "scientific" explanation of origins, all who come to realize that they have been badly deceived by this inexpressibly GOOFY "theory" (as I once was!), will want to ask themselves some serious questions, such as: 1) Could such an utterly squirrely MYTH have ever succeeded as it has without posing as true Science? (Answer: No way!) 2) Where am I to stand in such a counter-revolution against the false science establishment which has imposed its criteria of values, morals, and truth upon modern man's "knowledge" at all levels? (again: HERE)
Let it also sink in that those other subject "disciplines" that make up modern man's "knowledge", are "disciplines" that are DEMONSTRABLY rooted and grounded upon the evolutionary explanation of origins (which itself remains symbiotically dependent upon the continued acceptance of the Copernican moving earth model. (Ex. HERE). These subject area headings are: 1) Marxist/Leninism/Humanism in the Social Sciences; 2) Freudianism in the Behavioral Sciences; 3) Einsteinian Relativity in Mathematics; 4) Philosophic existentialism, nihilism, paganism; 5) Psychological morbidity in the Arts; 6) The extra-Biblical, contra-Biblical, and non-Biblical doctrines that stultify, corrupt, and confuse the New Testament Christian message. . . . (Hinduism and Buddhism, of course, fit in with the evolutionary paradigm and account for their resurgence in the modern world.)
The impact upon Truth seeking Christians of all the above should be even more poignant than the impact upon non-Christian Truth seekers (multiplied millions in both cases!). Both of these groups have in common the fact that they have been deceived equally by the Copernican lie (and many by the Darwinian lie)! The way out is the same for both populations: Find out, walk out and SPEAK OUT! (As formerly one of you, I hope atheists will seriously consider THIS....)
The special message for both groups of Truth seekers when they realize the deceptiveness of the moving earth explanation and its impact on all "knowledge" is this: Those non-moving earth passages in the Bible (HERE) are Truth from God. (Moslems too should note that the Koran has TEN references to the earth being stationary! (HERE) For the Christian (and the Muslim on this subject) these passages must not be labeled "language of appearance" or "phenomenological language". All such pussyfooting is tantamount to unnecessary capitulation to the false-science establishment! You don't have to do that anymore, so don't do it! Our non-moving earth is a totally sustainable position SCIENTIFICALLY (HERE - HERE - HERE - HERE.) Stand up for it! You cannot be proven wrong!
This web page has spotlighted a heretofore ignored major revelation about the fact that today's textbook cosmological paradigm (Relativity/Big Bangism/ Expanding Universe) is the fulfillment of "creation scenario" from Rabbinical writings in the anti-Christ Kabbala since the 1st century A.D. All necessary details can be found in a seven part series entitled "Kabbala" which begins HERE.
Given these verifiable Six Points, is it not time for the "called, chosen, and faithful" of God (i.e., basically Truth lovers everywhere) to boldly unite and do something BIG, something capable of pulling the rug out from under the whole Kabbalist edifice of deceptions masquerading as secular Theoretical Science?? Is it not time to join together to expose the Copernican Lie upon which rests every other Bible-bashing lie now being employed by the god of this world (II Cor.4:4)?? Is it not time for seekers of Truth everywhere--regardless of their present beliefs--to learn of the great heliocentric deception and its fruit(!), and then attack it with every weapon God makes available. . .including most especially the global internet??!

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Old 12-20-2004, 06:11 AM
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In the name of God, The Gracious, The Merciful


Peace Rushdoony,


Since you have brought Quran to your thread i have to clarify somethings,

1- You said: "Moslems too should note that the Koran has TEN references to the earth being stationary"

What we have of knowledge from Quran (which is God's final proven testament) is a verse that confirms the movement of the earth, however i am still studying if this movement is only around its axis or around the sun or both!. I don't think we should dismiss any theory just because it's not popular, God willing i am going to study this subject in more detail.

However the Quran states clearly that the earth rotates,

1-Earth's Movement: A Scientific Miracle

[27:88] When you look at the mountains, you think that they are standing still. But they are moving, like the clouds. Such is the manufacture of GOD, who perfected everything. He is fully Cognizant of everything you do.


What kind of movement, i am not that sure right now though. Indeed we should question EVERYTHING, who knows what Satan has done to our world after corrupting religion, medicine, politics, and perhaps "common" knowledge too.

However i can't rush into a conclusion, so please if you know these references in Quran, present them when you make such a conclusive assertion that Quran says that the earth is stationary.
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As for the matter of evolution, please read the following which was clarified by the messenger of the covenant Rashad Khalifa in the (authorized english translation of Quran, appendix 31):




Evolution: Divinely Controlled

We learn from the Quran that evolution is a divinely designed fact:


Life began in water:
"From water
we initiated all living things."
(21:30, 24:45)

Humans not descendants of monkeys:
"He started the creation of man from mud."
(32:7)
Man created from "aged" mud:
"I am creating the human being from `aged' clay."
(15:28)

Evolution is possible only within a given species. For example, the navel orange evolved from seeded oranges, not from apples. The laws of probablity preclude the possibility of haphazard evolution between species.
A fish cannot evolve into a bird; a monkey can never evolve into a human.

Probability Laws Preclude Darwin's Evolution

In this computer age, we have mathematical laws that tell us whether a certain event is probable or not. If we throw five numbered cubes up in the air and let them fall into a guided straight line, the probability laws tell us the number of possible combinations we can get: 1x2x3x4x5=120 combinations.
Thus, the probability of obtaining any combination is 1 in 120, or 1/120, or 0.0086.
This probability diminishes fast when we increase the number of cubes.
If we increase them by one, the number of combinations becomes 1x2x3x4x5x6=720, and the robability of getting any combination diminishes to 1/720, 0.0014.
Mathematicians, who are very exacting scientists, have agreed that the probability diminishes to "Zero" when we increase the number of cubes to 84. If we work with 84 cubes, the probability diminishes
to 209x10 (raised to the power of) -50, or

0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00209

Darwin's famous statement that "life began as a `simple' cell" is laughable.

As recently as 50 years ago, Wells, Huxley, and Wells wrote in their classic textbook that "nothing can be seen inside the nucleus but clear fluid." We know now that the cell, is an extremely complex unit, with billions of nucleotides in the gene material inside the nucleus, and millions of biochemical reactions. The probability laws tell us that the probability of the haphazard creation of the exacting sequences of nucleotides into DNA is Zero, many times over. We are not talking about 84 nucleotides; we are talking about billions of nucleotides that must be arranged in a specific sequence.

Some evolutionists have stated that the human gene and the monkey's gene are 90% similar. However, even if the similarity was 99%, we are still talking about 300,000,000 nucleotides that must be haphazardly re-arranged to change the monkey into a human. The probability laws preclude this as an utter impossibility. The human gene contains 30,000,000,000 nucleotides; 1% of that is 300,000,000.

A fitting quote here is that of Professor Edwin Conklin; he stated:

"The probability of life originating from accident is comparable to the probability of the Unabridged Dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing factory." Rashad Khalifa Ph.D
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Old 12-20-2004, 03:10 PM
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This is crazy!.....im in total shock that someone, or a group would actually put all of their stock in such an idea...., god said this, god said that, god god god, and the sun revolves around the earth too....wanna know why!?!?! cause my king james 2 said so......wake up retards, and stop posting this shit
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Old 12-20-2004, 03:36 PM
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What was the result of Airy's experiment? A resounding success. Just like Arago before him, George Airy proved that the World was stationary and the stars are moving. It does not matter whether you remove the luminiferous aether, as many, including Albert Einstein, have suggested, or not, because the dragging of starlight, as demonstrated initially by Arago, is real, irrespective of how we try to explain it. Both Arago and Airy showed that it is the stars, and not the World, which move (although Airy did not actually go so far as to admit this). In addition, we can say that Michelson-Morley, Trouton-Noble and many, many others have consistently demonstrated no motion of the World.

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Old 12-20-2004, 05:15 PM
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Would you like to swing on a star?
carry moon beams home in a jar...

And be better off than you are
You could be swinging from a star......

Sunrise, sunset
Sunrise, sunset

Mushdummy.... I laugh whenever I remember that name. It has such a ring to it.

Mushhhhdummmyyyyyyyyyyy.

The experiment... so Mr. Brains...

Why do we see the moon in phases?

You did the experiment?
Good Boy! You get a gold star!

Q: Why do we see the moon in phases?

You know what your talking about so please explain that one question...if you can, Mr. Brains.

We are all waiting patiently for your sublime answer. And don't get nasty with me cuz I'll break out the dictionary and confuse you. Ha ha ha

Please answer that one simple question, if you can.

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