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Old 12-28-2004, 03:47 PM
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Peace brother,

"why does the Quran use "we"? There's only one creator so why the pluralism?"


Appendix 10 of the "Authorized english translation of Quran" by the messenger of the covenant Rashad Khalifa:

God's Usage of the Plural Tense

In the English speaking world, where the trinity doctrine is prevalent, some people are intrigued by God's usage of the plural tense in the Quran. The overwhelming message of the Quran, where there is absolutely no compromise is that "GOD IS ONE" (2:133, 163; 4:171 5:73; 6:19; 9:31; 12:39; 13:16; 14:48, 52; 16:22, 51; 18:110; 21:108; 22:34; 37:4; 38:65; 39:4; 40:16; 41:6; 112:1).

Whenever the first person plural form is used by the Almighty, it invariably indicates participation of other entities, such as the angels. For example, the revelation of this Quran involved participation of the angel Gabriel and the prophet Muhammad. Hence the use of the plural form in 15:9:
"We revealed this scripture, and we will preserve it." The plural form here simply reflects the fact that the angel Gabriel and the prophet Muhammad participated in the processof delivering the Quran.

Another example has to do with blowing the breath of life into Adam and Jesus. The creation of Adam took place in heaven and God directly blew into him the breath of life. Thus, the first person singular form is consistently used: "I blew into Adam from My spirit" (15:29, 38:72).
The creation of Jesus, on the other hand, took place on earth,and Gabriel carried God's "word" to Mary. The plural form is consistently used when referring to the creation of Jesus (21:91, 66:12).

When God spoke to Moses directly, without the mediation of angels, we see that God is speaking exclusively in the singular tense:
"I am God. There is no other god besides Me. You shall worship Me alone, and
observe the regular contact prayers (Salat) to commemorate Me." (20:12-14).

Whenever the worship of God is mentioned, the singular tense is used (51:56). Rashad Khalifa Ph.D

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Old 12-28-2004, 04:25 PM
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The relevant passages and page numbers I found in the translation of the Koran cited above are as follows:


The Merciful -p.19 - “The sun and the moon pursue their ordered course.”

The Cave - p.91 - “You might have seen the rising sun decline to the right of their cavern, and, as it set, go past them on the left, while they stayed within...”

Abraham - p.101 - “He has created rivers for your benefit, and the sun and the moon, which steadfastly pursue their courses....”

Thunder - p.140 - “Allah...forced the sun and the moon into His service, each pursuing an appointed course....”

Ya Sin - p.172 #1 - “The sun hastens to its resting place: its course is laid for it by the Mighty One, the All-knowing.”

Ya Sin - p.172 #2 - “The sun is not allowed to overtake the moon.... Each in its own orbit runs.”

The Creator - p.176 - “He has forced the sun and the moon into His service, each running for an appointed term.”

Luqman - p.187 - “He has forced the sun and the moon into His service, each running for an appointed term.” (Same as written in The Creator, p.176.)

The Hordes - p.273 - “He made the sun and the moon obedient to Him, each running for an appointed term.”

The Prophets - p.292 - “It was He who created the night and the day, the sun and the moon: each moves swiftly in an orbit of its own.”

The Cow - p.352 - “Allah brings the sun up from the east....”

The Cessation - (implied) p.17 - “I swear by the turning planets and by the stars that rise and set.”



From beginning to end, the Bible also presents what all known science confirms, viz., that the Earth is stationary with the sun going around it every 24 hours.
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Old 12-28-2004, 04:40 PM
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this thread is now 9 pages long and over half is dedicated to rushdoony trying to sell his pet theory . he unfairly and inaccurately says mary is hijacking the website . you gotta be kiddin me ! who is trying to take it over ? you are rushie . also , if you think that just because recorded history (biblically) only goes back 6000 yrs that the earth is 6000 yrs old , you are just what i thought , a religious novice with a pride problem . there has never been a time when God wasn't . what do you think ,that he sat twiddling his thumbs since eternity past and then had an idea to create ???? there is no telling how old the earth is . do you believe in dinosaurs? were they on noah's ark ? they were here and noah never saw them . why are they not mentioned in the bible ? because we don't need to know . some things we need to know and they are included . some things we will find out in heaven when we can ask face to face . between gen 1.1 and 1.2 there are unknown ages unaccounted for . God did not create a mess .(without form and void)many think that the earth became that way as a result of satan's judgement.(with the earth tilting 7 degrees in the process) personally , i have no problem believing in creation on an orbiting earth . an orbiting earth makes God's making the sun stand still for joshua an even bigger miracle .(look that one up) do you believe in atomic structure ?(a pattern of solar system) how about electro-magnetic theory or gravity ? these things work together to hold the heavenly bodies in their places . the bible says god's word keeps them in their place . his word created all things , so he uses gravity and e-m theory . the earth revoles around the sun . deal with it and stop annoying everyone by trying to dominate the forum .i'm beginning to think you're just a troublemaker .
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Old 12-28-2004, 05:06 PM
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The relevant passages and page numbers I found in the translation of the Koran cited above are as follows:


The Merciful -p.19 - “The sun and the moon pursue their ordered course.”

The Cave - p.91 - “You might have seen the rising sun decline to the right of their cavern, and, as it set, go past them on the left, while they stayed within...”

Abraham - p.101 - “He has created rivers for your benefit, and the sun and the moon, which steadfastly pursue their courses....”

Thunder - p.140 - “Allah...forced the sun and the moon into His service, each pursuing an appointed course....”

Ya Sin - p.172 #1 - “The sun hastens to its resting place: its course is laid for it by the Mighty One, the All-knowing.”

Ya Sin - p.172 #2 - “The sun is not allowed to overtake the moon.... Each in its own orbit runs.”

The Creator - p.176 - “He has forced the sun and the moon into His service, each running for an appointed term.”

Luqman - p.187 - “He has forced the sun and the moon into His service, each running for an appointed term.” (Same as written in The Creator, p.176.)

The Hordes - p.273 - “He made the sun and the moon obedient to Him, each running for an appointed term.”

The Prophets - p.292 - “It was He who created the night and the day, the sun and the moon: each moves swiftly in an orbit of its own.”

The Cow - p.352 - “Allah brings the sun up from the east....”

The Cessation - (implied) p.17 - “I swear by the turning planets and by the stars that rise and set.”

From beginning to end, the Bible also presents what all known science confirms, viz., that the Earth is stationary with the sun going around it every 24 hours.
More:http://www.fixedearth.com/koran.html
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Old 12-28-2004, 07:32 PM
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In simple terms, as part of the world-wide indoctrination into heliocentrism, there had to be a mechanism to explain the motions of the heavenly bodies, what keeps them in their places, and so on. That explanation, that mechanism is called "The Law of Universal Gravitation". It is credited to Newton but was first formulated by Kepler, as we’ve seen. This "Universal Law of Gravitation" is taught and believed by one and all but is, nevertheless, an absolutely insane concept which violates and contradicts its essential magnetic principle every second of every day, year in and year out.

Even if one can momentarily lock one’s brain into conceiving of a delicate balance between say the Earth and the Moon’s gravitational forces, a balance that would be achieved by the most precise, exact and unvarying distance between the two bodies, then that same brain is boggled when it is confronted with the fact that no such stable distance exists between these two bodies (or any other two!). Indeed, the undeniable reality is that the moon regularly varies its distance from the Earth by over 31,000 miles! When it comes closer and closer it gets in the stronger and stronger pull of Earth’s gravity. How can it then resist that pull and start going against that attraction? Contrariwise, as it goes out to the apogee and is moment by moment breaking loose from Earth’s gravitational pull at tremendous speed, how can it stop the outward movement and start back??

Gravity doesn’t explain this. Gravity can’t explain it. Gravity doesn’t explain the tides. Gravity can’t explain them. The same is true of the Earth’s supposed annual orbit around the sun. The simple fact is that we are closer by three million miles to the sun at certain times than we are at other times.

The gravitation explanation for heavenly bodies doing what they do has no scientific evidence whatsoever behind it. It is pure nonsense from A to Z, a contradictory, illogical, impossible notion perpetrated upon the world by You Know Who to discredit the Bible.

Indeed, universal gravitation is a bankrupt and stupid hypothesis just the same as Darwin’s "natural selection" mechanism is now being recognized as a bankrupt and stupid hypothesis that is incapable of explaining evolutionism. These bankrupt hypotheses both have the same author, Satan the Deceiver. They both have the same purpose; undermining the credibility of Scripture. They both have the same destiny; exposure as lies to be adhered to only by those who "cannot receive a love of the Truth" (II Thessalonians 2:10), those who "willfully" embrace these lies when they know better (II Peter 3:5), by those, in short, whose real god is the Father of Lies (John 8:44).
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Old 12-28-2004, 10:55 PM
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Gravity and the tides?

Doesn't the moon and gravity have something to do with the tides? Unless I am mistaken...

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Old 12-29-2004, 08:47 AM
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No one would quarrel with the fact that there is a relationship between what the Moon does and what the Tides do. The Bible, after all, says that the Moon was designed to serve mankind through "signs" (which could certainly include Tidal phenomena), and through "seasons", and by giving light.

However, to say there is a relationship or connection between the Moon and Tides is one thing; to say that the Moon causes and controls Earth’s tides (as the whole world has been taught is a scientific fact) is quite another thing.

In the first instance--since God has said that one of His purposes for making the Moon and having it behave as it does is precisely for man’s aid in such things as gauging tides, planting, harvesting, etc.--we see the relationship as supernatural. These are "signs" and they have always worked and they work now for those who read them. Thus, there is a relationship or connection between the Moon’s behavior and supplying useful and necessary knowledge for man.

In the second instance, however--since "science" has said it will explain everything in natural terms without God and will designate all supernatural explanations as superstitions held by unenlightened people--we find that the obvious connections between the Moon’s behavior and certain phenomena such as Tides must be explained naturalistically by the science establishment.

So, God gave His supernatural explanation for Tides, which man has rejected. In its stead, man has come up with a purely naturalistic explanation for the tidal phenomena. In short, man’s "science" declared that the Moon’s gravitational pull (assisted by the sun’s pull) causes the Tides. This declaration is now counted as a "fact" of science.

Vern, one of these explanations is the Truth and one is a lie. Let’s see if we can find out which is which....
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Old 12-30-2004, 08:47 AM
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The Heliocentric Model

The ruling, anywhere-centred (acentric) paradigm allows people to assume that the Sun is at the centre of the universe (star streaming and so forth has shown that this cannot be the case, but never mind). This is Canon Kopernik's obscene and blasphemous idea of 1543.

Our supposed diurnal rotation about an axis is the interpretation given to explain the circles traced out by the stars. In other words, the World's alleged rotation is sufficient to give the 'illusion' that Polaris completes a perfect circle each sidereal day. Why, then, do we not see Polaris complete a far, far larger circle during the course of twelve months, when our movement through space, with respect to the 'fixed' background star, Polaris, enormously exceeds that which would be due to our rotation about an axis? It cannot be that Polaris is so far away that we would not observe such an effect, for, if that were so, then we definitely would not get any small circle appearing as a result of the World's alleged spin.

As always with the heliocentric myth, some additional, spurious component of motion is attached to the World, in order to satisfy the requirement of accounting for what we actually see. In this case, the extra component is a precessional motion of the World's axis (i.e., analogous to the wobble of a child's spinning top), such that the World's north pole always, rather miraculously, aligns itself with the north celestial pole.
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Old 12-30-2004, 03:13 PM
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However, Genesis and Exodus clearly state that God completed the Creation by the end of the sixth day: "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." (Ex. 20:11, NIV.)

A potential infinity exists, but an actual infinity does not; it is merely a mathematical abstraction and has no basis in physics. Do away with the actual infinity and all the so-called paradoxes (contradictions, as I prefer to call them) disappear. Mathematics is only a tool that physicists use, though too many of them think that we are somehow governed by it (even the Nobel laureate, Prof. Paul Dirac, held that view). Besides, an infinite universe denies that God finished creating it. There is no way around this, no recourse to any form of compromise, number 2 denies a finished creation, denies God’s written word and ultimately, of course, attempts to push God infinitely far away from us. His laws and requirements are then considered to be of no significance and we can all please our selfish selves as to how we live our life.

This is the legacy of Kopernik, Galelei and Kepler; three men who laid the foundations upon which "Babylon the great" (Rev. 17:5, KJV) has been carefully and lovingly constructed. A Sun-worshipping myth, whose origins can be traced all the way back to the original Tower of Babel culture.
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Old 12-30-2004, 04:01 PM
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Loonie....

Why must you keep on, on this ongoing post? You keep noticably responding to yourself, to slap this subject back on the front home page. Aren't u getting bored debating with yourself?

Can u please start another thread, anything but the world revolves around rushie's theory. We'd love to chat and get to know your mind and it seems to be stuck in one spot with your motionless world.

Give it a rest and let's debate something interesting please?

You can obviously choose to ignore me and carry on... I wish you well and I'll stop by every now and again to see if you have anything new to say.

For me personally, the same old song and dance does get boring though, chum.

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