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Old 03-08-2006, 11:22 AM
Akbar Akbar is offline
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This is another example of Western imperialism at it's best. We know the West hates Mugabe, but does that give them a right to destabilize Zimbabwe to get rid of him? If your satanic mind believes that it does, then what should happen to Bush?


Arrests for Zimbabwe 'arms cache'

MDC leader Morgan Tsvangirai has twice been charged with treason
Two senior Zimbabwean opposition officials have been arrested after police said they had found an arms cache in the eastern city of Mutare.
The Movement for Democratic Change identified them as MP Giles Mutsekwa and regional treasurer Brian James.

MDC spokesman Nelson Chamisa strongly denied that the party had any links to the weapons, or plans of violence.

Security Minister Didymus Mutasa has warned that those planning violence would be physically "eliminated".

The cache was said to contain rifles, machine guns and tear gas canisters, which officials suspect were to be used in acts of "sabotage and destabilisation".

Regime change

The alleged owner of the weapons, Peter Hitschmann, was a member of the army before independence and is expected to appear in court.

State media has reported that he has told the police he was working for the MDC.


"We wish to place it on record that the MDC does not have any links with Mr Hitschmann, the so-called Zimbabwe Freedom Movement or any other person or group that seeks to effect a regime change through the barrel of the gun, an armed struggle, violence or unconstitutional means," said Mr Chamisa, spokesman for the MDC faction led by Morgan Tsvangirai.

Mr Tsvangirai has twice been charged with treason over alleged coup plots - he was acquitted once and the charges were dropped the second time.

Referring to Mr Tsvangirai and anyone planning violence, Security Minister Didymus Mutasa told state television:

"If it came to a position where we have to eliminate them physically because of what they are doing, then it is their fault, that is what they are looking for, and we will not hesitate to do that."

President Robert Mugabe played a key role in ending white rule in Rhodesia and he and his Zanu-PF party have dominated Zimbabwe's politics since independence in 1980. The main challenge to the octogenarian leader's authority has come from the MDC.

But observers say the recent split in the MDC over whether to contest last year's senate elections has weakened its opposition to Mr Mugabe.

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Old 03-08-2006, 11:46 AM
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This is bad for South Africa... An arms cache in Africa can only mean one thing.
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Old 03-09-2006, 06:32 AM
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There are arm caches all over Africa. They only become more prevalent when African leaders try to break away from the grip of Western imperialism. In the myth of the end of colonialism, most Africans assumed that they had achieved their independence. Time has shown that in actuality Africans are more under the grip of colonialization than they ever were in the past.
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:13 AM
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There are arm caches all over Africa. They only become more prevalent when African leaders try to break away from the grip of Western imperialism. In the myth of the end of colonialism, most Africans assumed that they had achieved their independence. Time has shown that in actuality Africans are more under the grip of colonialization than they ever were in the past.

Yes thats true Akbar however those Africanners are simply incapable of running their own countries, White people running those corrupt regimes are more beneficial for the average African person. 8-)
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Old 03-09-2006, 12:45 PM
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Yes thats true Akbar however those Africanners are simply incapable of running their own countries, White people running those corrupt regimes are more beneficial for the average African person. 8-)
This is sadly very true.

What a mess... I guess they have been engineered through time to be so dependant on western rule.
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Old 03-09-2006, 06:16 PM
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You are many decades too late in your
observations, Akbar. The total destabilization was accomplished over 25 years ago.

No engineering necessary, LaDomino, their leader is just dumb as dirt, greedy and power hungry as hell, in a nutshell, just like the rest of our glorious leaders.

The MDC is a straw man against whom Mugabe can justify his despicable actions.

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Security Minister Didymus Mutasa has warned that those planning violence would be physically
"eliminated".

The cache was said to contain rifles, machine guns and tear gas canisters, which officials suspect were to be used in acts of "sabotage and destabilization".
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Arms cache indeed. A few rifles, a couple of machine guns and canisters of tear gas sound more like a plant than weapons necessary for sabotage and destabilization. Give me a break!

Mugabe is going on another killing spree and is providing his own justification. Any fool can see that if they just pay attention.

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El Presidente Mugabe:

Last year's No. 9 has "graduated" to No. 4. Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe, 81, in power since 1980, has gone "from bad to worse." Unemployment has risen to 80 percent, and the AIDS rate to 20 percent. Inflation in Zimbabwe is the highest in the world. Mugabe launched the "Clean the Filth" project, evicting some 700,000 Zimbabweans to prevent them from demonstrating as the economy deteriorates.

NEWS SNIPETS FROM AROUND ZIMBABWE:

Dzivarasekwa - Residents in Harare say they live on a "cholera time-bomb" as the Zimbabwean city struggles to clean up garbage and maintain sewers in an outbreak that has already cost 27 lives.

Armed robberies and car-jackings are on the up in Zimbabwe and the attacks are centred on cities like Harare and Bulawayo, the state radio
reported.

There's far too little attention paid to the ongoing crackdown on the media in Zimbabwe, writes Akwe Amosu of the Open Society Institute.

The country's security forces are believed to have been put on high alert as government fears an uprising over food shortages, which an MDC
legislator described on Monday as 'very serious'.

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And then there is this letter:

The problem with Zim lies inside the country
The Star

March 6, 2006

As a black Zimbabwean, I find the comments of your American correspondent, Ceddie Goliati, patronising if not offensive.

He makes the ridiculous allegation that the Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) believed that black Zimbabweans preferred to be farmworkers rather than farmowners!

What nonsense! Today there is no food in Zimbabwe because the so-called black farm owners don't know what to do with their newly acquired real estate. Most of it is actually reverting back to wild bush.

"The MDC were said to believe that Zimbabwe is now worse off than it was under Ian Smith." That is a fact. Consider the following:

A dollar buys Zim$100 000. Can that be a success story?


The unemployment rate is 80%. If that were to happen in the US, I am sure the president would be executed for dereliction of duty. (Don't bet on it, Chum, we're headed in that direction now) Yet in Africa, we are expected to applaud the catastrophic failure.

Inflation in Zimbabwe is about 1 000%. A new world record I presume?

According to the UN, almost 6-million people (about half the population) will need food aid this year.


And by the way, about 3-million Zimbabweans have fled the country because of the bleak economic outlook.

The biggest problem with Mr Goliati's so-called "intelligent independent African analysts" (whatever that means) is that they blame
everybody but themselves.

Zimbabwe became independent 25 years ago and Mugabe has been leader all this time, while the country was rotting away. What did he do to stop
the rot? Nothing but to blame everyone (Bush, Blair, white farmers, etc .)

Never for one day did he accept that he probably made some mistakes. Is this not madness?

Now here comes Professor Arthur Mutambara: "While we put the failure of the land reform programme, squarely on the Zanu-PF government, we also acknowledge the complicity of some western governments that reneged agreements and the inertia of white farmers in seeking pre-emptive solutions ."

What is going on here? Why are we blaming everyone else? Is 25 years not enough to put our house in order? Why did we fight for independence if we can't hold ourselves accountable?

It took a rocket scientist to get Zim problem right? The rocket scientist got it completely wrong this time. The problem of Zim is within
Zim itself not outside, Mr Goliati.

Chakanetsa Magusha
Botleng, Delmas
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Another great move on the part of Mugabe:

'Nigeria Could Feed Africa'
Newsweek

They lost everything in Zimbabwe. But a hardy bunch of white farmers is making a new start.

By Joshua Hammer
Newsweek
Updated: 1:22 p.m. ET March 5, 2006

March 13, 2006 issue - The sun is rising over the maize fields of Kwara state in western Nigeria, and Graham Hatty has already been up for hours. Bouncing in his Indian-made jeep down a track that borders his property, Hatty points out a pair of kestrels gliding on a breeze, and a flock of Abyssinian rollers sweeping across the brightening sky. "It's a bird watcher's paradise," says the 66-year-old Zimbabwean farmer.

But Hatty has more on his mind than nature viewing. He pulls alongside a dozen Nigerian laborers packing burlap sacks with maize. The farmer runs his fingers through the yellow kernels, and draws back in revulsion: the bag is infested with weevils, gnatlike bugs that can quickly destroy a whole crop. "We'll have to fumigate the maize to get rid of these pests," he says. "I haven't seen these insects before in Nigeria. We've got a lot to learn here."

The learning curve has been steep since Hatty and a dozen other white farmers fled Zimbabwe last year to restart their lives in the Nigerian bush.

The 13 men were among 4,000 whites who lost their farms in a disastrous land-reform program initiated six years ago by President Robert Mugabe. Now Nigeria's president, Olusegun Obasanjo, is harnessing the expertise of these Zimbabwean castoffs to revive Nigeria's commercial agriculture, which has fallen into ruin since the country became a major oil producer in the 1960s.

It is still too early to assess the results, but Obasanjo's experiment is spreading. Dispossessed white farmers have settled in Zambia, Mozambique, Malawi and Uganda. In Nigeria, 20 more farmers from Zimbabwe will soon take over land in both Kwara and the region around Abuja, Nigeria's capital; 75 others are on the waiting list. "You can plant anything here and it grows," says Hunter Coetzee, one of the first Zimbabwean pioneers. "If it gets itself together, Nigeria could feed Africa."

The Nigerian experiment is offering a second chance to men who lost everything.

Hatty, the oldest member of the group, emigrated as a boy with his parents from London to British-ruled Rhodesia. In the early 1960s he bought 1,600 acres near Harare, invested heavily in irrigation and built a profitable commercial farm. He moved to South Africa after Zimbabwe's independence, but returned in 1997, convinced that Mugabe had brought his country stability. Three years later Mugabe began seizing white-owned farms.

In 2004, a former general appeared at Hatty's house with an expulsion order. "He told my wife and me, 'I've been wanting this farm since 1999, and I'm going to take it'," Hatty says. The family sold their tractors and other equipment at fire-sale prices, and left their land for good.

By then, plans were already underway to bring the first group of farmers to Nigeria. The governor of predominantly Muslim Kwara had contacted the Zimbabwe Commercial Farmers Union with an offer of free land and guaranteed bank loans to any member willing to settle there. Hatty and his fellow farmers were skeptical. "We had heard that the Nigerians were crooks, that people who travel to Nigeria never come out again," he says. "But we had no other option."

Hatty and 12 others arrived in early 2005. With an initial $250,000 loan per farmer, the men drilled wells, built houses, imported tractors and seed drillers and planted their first maize crop in July. Five weeks of drought stunted the harvest, but the yield per acre was still much greater than the average for Nigeria. So far, Hatty and the four other farmers in his syndicate plan to sell 600 tons of maize, which should earn about $200,000 in hard currency.

Despite promising returns, the transition has been bumpy. The farmers have suffered bouts of malaria and typhoid fever. Their wells have collapsed and their water has run dry. Unscrupulous contractors have swindled them, and political opposition figures have accused them of stealing the local farmers' land. (The government gave the peasants compensation and new plots in another part of the district.) "We've had locals tell us, 'If you don't leave we'll sort you out'," Hatty says. "Ninety percent welcomed us."

Isolated from friends and families, most suffer from bouts of homesickness. "Sometimes you get depressed and say, 'What am I doing here?' " admits Nikki Coetzee, one of eight wives, including Hatty's, now living with their husbands in Kwara. "You have to put it out of your mind."

Hatty looks at the upside. "I could be sitting in Zimbabwe being a miserable old fart, like most of my friends," he says, bounding through the bush in his jeep. "Instead I'm just getting on with it."
© 2006 Newsweek, Inc.


If commercial farming takes root, it will change the face of agriculture in Nigeria forever. That will no doubt be a great legacy for the young man at the helm of affairs in Kwara State. According to a Zimbabwean farmer, everyone in the country wants to be a farmer. That is because unlike in Nigeria, farming is very lucrative in Zimbabwe.

Before President Mugabe introduced the land redistribution programme, there were over 4000 commercial farms in Zimbabwe, employing close to a half a million people. The farms produce enough to make the country a major exporter of grains, earning Zimbabwe more than half its foreign exchange.

The land reform has seen thousands of these farmers out of Zimbabwe. But the result for the economy has been so catastrophic that recent reports in the British media claimed that Mugabe has reversed the reform and has now invited the displaced farmers back to their seized farms.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_4530000/newsid_4533600/nb_wm_4533624.stm?scope=nolavconsole&tab=nolavcons ole&q=Zimbabwe
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In one of my fondest dreams I see every Illuminate member, associate, hangers-on, supporter, wannabe, wife, husband and children permanently exiled to Zimbabwe after being stripped of their wealth and power, sentenced to live out their sorry lives as the lowest of the low under one tyrant after the other, with every hand turned against them.

Assholes like George Bush wouldn't have to hire people to teach him how to talk with po' folks, he would suddenly BE one.
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Old 03-09-2006, 07:20 PM
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Well said Barbara, but Akbar will say you are not using logic in your response to him. Well, your TRUTH will do me just fine and I thank you for it.
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Old 03-10-2006, 06:50 PM
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Well, I cannot defend the stupidity of some African leaders and their supporters, but my point is that all African leaders are in place with the support of the West. Mugabe is out of favor with the West and will be eliminated. Africa will never be successful under the "nation-state" model. It is too tribal to formulate a national identity. The West was united as one under religion (Christianity). Then the separation of state and religion brought them to their current state. Religion has not been able to unite the Africans together as one people. The underlining belief that most Africans have is voodoo regardless if they are Muslim, Christian, our animists. The witch doctor is the most important person after the chief. One day their is hope that the human spirit in Africa will be resurrected, but that will not happen until the African American is resurrected first.
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Old 03-10-2006, 06:55 PM
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book of flaws,
I get your point. That is funny. Yes, Barbara made some excellent points.
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Old 03-11-2006, 07:03 PM
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Don't get soft on me now. Africa is in the mental grip of the WC's, and it will not be freed until God bring his "Sun".
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