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Old 03-09-2005, 03:01 AM
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Can This Black Box See Into the Future?


DEEP in the basement of a dusty university library in Edinburgh lies a small black box, roughly the size of two cigarette packets side by side, that churns out random numbers in an endless stream.

At first glance it is an unremarkable piece of equipment. Encased in metal, it contains at its heart a microchip no more complex than the ones found in modern pocket calculators.

But, according to a growing band of top scientists, this box has quite extraordinary powers. It is, they claim, the 'eye' of a machine that appears capable of peering into the future and predicting major world events.

The machine apparently sensed the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Centre four hours before they happened - but in the fevered mood of conspiracy theories of the time, the claims were swiftly knocked back by sceptics. But last December, it also appeared to forewarn of the Asian tsunami just before the deep sea earthquake that precipitated the epic tragedy.

Now, even the doubters are acknowledging that here is a small box with apparently inexplicable powers.

'It's Earth-shattering stuff,' says Dr Roger Nelson, emeritus researcher at Princeton University in the United States, who is heading the research project behind the 'black box' phenomenon.

'We're very early on in the process of trying to figure out what's going on here. At the moment we're stabbing in the dark.' Dr Nelson's investigations, called the Global Consciousness Project, were originally hosted by Princeton University and are centred on one of the most extraordinary experiments of all time. Its aim is to detect whether all of humanity shares a single subconscious mind that we can all tap into without realising.

And machines like the Edinburgh black box have thrown up a tantalising possibility: that scientists may have unwittingly discovered a way of predicting the future.

Although many would consider the project's aims to be little more than fools' gold, it has still attracted a roster of 75 respected scientists from 41 different nations. Researchers from Princeton - where Einstein spent much of his career - work alongside scientists from universities in Britain, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Germany. The project is also the most rigorous and longest-running investigation ever into the potential powers of the paranormal.

'Very often paranormal phenomena evaporate if you study them for long enough,' says physicist Dick Bierman of the University of Amsterdam. 'But this is not happening with the Global Consciousness Project. The effect is real. The only dispute is about what it means.' The project has its roots in the extraordinary work of Professor Robert Jahn of Princeton University during the late 1970s. He was one of the first modern scientists to take paranormal phenomena seriously. Intrigued by such things as telepathy, telekinesis - the supposed psychic power to move objects without the use of physical force - and extrasensory perception, he was determined to study the phenomena using the most up-to-date technology available.

One of these new technologies was a humble-looking black box known was a Random Event Generator (REG). This used computer technology to generate two numbers - a one and a zero - in a totally random sequence, rather like an electronic coin-flipper.

The pattern of ones and noughts - 'heads' and 'tails' as it were - could then be printed out as a graph. The laws of chance dictate that the generators should churn out equal numbers of ones and zeros - which would be represented by a nearly flat line on the graph. Any deviation from this equal number shows up as a gently rising curve.

During the late 1970s, Prof Jahn decided to investigate whether the power of human thought alone could interfere in some way with the machine's usual readings. He hauled strangers off the street and asked them to concentrate their minds on his number generator. In effect, he was asking them to try to make it flip more heads than tails.

It was a preposterous idea at the time. The results, however, were stunning and have never been satisfactorily explained.

Again and again, entirely ordinary people proved that their minds could influence the machine and produce significant fluctuations on the graph, 'forcing it' to produce unequal numbers of 'heads' or 'tails'.

According to all of the known laws of science, this should not have happened - but it did. And it kept on happening.

Dr Nelson, also working at Princeton University, then extended Prof Jahn's work by taking random number machines to group meditations, which were very popular in America at the time. Again, the results were eyepopping. The groups were collectively able to cause dramatic shifts in the patterns of numbers.

From then on, Dr Nelson was hooked.

Using the internet, he connected up 40 random event generators from all over the world to his laboratory computer in Princeton. These ran constantly, day in day out, generating millions of different pieces of data. Most of the time, the resulting graph on his computer looked more or less like a flat line.

But then on September 6, 1997, something quite extraordinary happened: the graph shot upwards, recording a sudden and massive shift in the number sequence as his machines around the world started reporting huge deviations from the norm. The day was of historic importance for another reason, too.

For it was the same day that an estimated one billion people around the world watched the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales at Westminster Abbey.

Dr Nelson was convinced that the two events must be related in some way.

Could he have detected a totally new phenomena? Could the concentrated emotional outpouring of millions of people be able to influence the output of his REGs. If so, how?

Dr Nelson was at a loss to explain it.

So, in 1998, he gathered together scientists from all over the world to analyse his findings. They, too, were stumped and resolved to extend and deepen the work of Prof Jahn and Dr Nelson. The Global Consciousness Project was born.

Since then, the project has expanded massively. A total of 65 Eggs (as the generators have been named) in 41 countries have now been recruited to act as the 'eyes' of the project.

And the results have been startling and inexplicable in equal measure.

For during the course of the experiment, the Eggs have 'sensed' a whole series of major world events as they were happening, from the Nato bombing of Yugoslavia to the Kursk submarine tragedy to America's hung election of 2000.

The Eggs also regularly detect huge global celebrations, such as New Year's Eve.

But the project threw up its greatest enigma on September 11, 2001.

As the world stood still and watched the horror of the terrorist attacks unfold across New York, something strange was happening to the Eggs.

Not only had they registered the attacks as they actually happened, but the characteristic shift in the pattern of numbers had begun four hours before the two planes even hit the Twin Towers.

They had, it appeared, detected that an event of historic importance was about to take place before the terrorists had even boarded their fateful flights. The implications, not least for the West's security services who constantly monitor electronic 'chatter', are clearly enormous.

'I knew then that we had a great deal of work ahead of us,' says Dr Nelson.

What could be happening? Was it a freak occurrence, perhaps?

Apparently not. For in the closing weeks of December last year, the machines went wild once more.

Twenty-four hours later, an earthquake deep beneath the Indian Ocean triggered the tsunami which devastated South-East Asia, and claimed the lives of an estimated quarter of a million people.

So could the Global Consciousness Project really be forecasting the future?

Cynics will quite rightly point out that there is always some global event that could be used to 'explain' the times when the Egg machines behaved erratically. After all, our world is full of wars, disasters and terrorist outrages, as well as the occasional global celebration. Are the scientists simply trying too hard to detect patterns in their raw data?

The team behind the project insist not. They claim that by using rigorous scientific techniques and powerful mathematics it is possible to exclude any such random connections.

'We're perfectly willing to discover that we've made mistakes,' says Dr Nelson. 'But we haven't been able to find any, and neither has anyone else.

Our data shows clearly that the chances of getting these results by fluke are one million to one against.

That's hugely significant.' But many remain sceptical.

Professor Chris French, a psychologist and noted sceptic at Goldsmiths College in London, says: 'The Global Consciousness Project has generated some very intriguing results that cannot be readily dismissed. I'm involved in similar work to see if we get the same results. We haven't managed to do so yet but it's only an early experiment. The jury's still out.' Strange as it may seem, though, there's nothing in the laws of physics that precludes the possibility of foreseeing the future.

It is possible - in theory - that time may not just move forwards but backwards, too. And if time ebbs and flows like the tides in the sea, it might just be possible to foretell major world events. We would, in effect, be 'remembering' things that had taken place in our future.

'There's plenty of evidence that time may run backwards,' says Prof Bierman at the University of Amsterdam.

'And if it's possible for it to happen in physics, then it can happen in our minds, too.' In other words, Prof Bierman believes that we are all capable of looking into the future, if only we could tap into the hidden power of our minds. And there is a tantalising body of evidence to support this theory.

Dr John Hartwell, working at the University of Utrecht in the Netherlands, was the first to uncover evidence that people could sense the future. In the mid-1970s he hooked people up to hospital scanning machines so that he could study their brainwave patterns.

He began by showing them a sequence of provocative cartoon drawings.

When the pictures were shown, the machines registered the subject's brainwaves as they reacted strongly to the images before them. This was to be expected.

Far less easy to explain was the fact that in many cases, these dramatic patterns began to register a few seconds before each of the pictures were even flashed up.

It was as though Dr Hartwell's case studies were somehow seeing into the future, and detecting when the next shocking image would be shown next.

It was extraordinary - and seemingly inexplicable.

But it was to be another 15 years before anyone else took Dr Hartwell's work further when Dean Radin, a researcher working in America, connected people up to a machine that measured their skin's resistance to electricity. This is known to fluctuate in tandem with our moods - indeed, it's this principle that underlies many lie detectors.

Radin repeated Dr Hartwell's 'image response' experiments while measuring skin resistance. Again, people began reacting a few seconds before they were shown the provocative pictures. This was clearly impossible, or so he thought, so he kept on repeating the experiments. And he kept getting the same results.

'I didn't believe it either,' says Prof Bierman. 'So I also repeated the experiment myself and got the same results. I was shocked. After this I started to think more deeply about the nature of time.' To make matters even more intriguing, Prof Bierman says that other mainstream labs have now produced similar results but are yet to go public.

'They don't want to be ridiculed so they won't release their findings,' he says. 'So I'm trying to persuade all of them to release their results at the same time. That would at least spread the ridicule a little more thinly!' If Prof Bierman is right, though, then the experiments are no laughing matter.

They might help provide a solid scientific grounding for such strange phenomena as 'deja vu', intuition and a host of other curiosities that we have all experienced from time to time.

They may also open up a far more interesting possibility - that one day we might be able to enhance psychic powers using machines that can 'tune in' to our subconscious mind, machines like the little black box in Edinburgh.

Just as we have built mechanical engines to replace muscle power, could we one day build a device to enhance and interpret our hidden psychic abilities?

Dr Nelson is optimistic - but not for the short term. 'We may be able to predict that a major world event is going to happen. But we won't know exactly what will happen or where it's going to happen,' he says.

'Put it this way - we haven't yet got a machine we could sell to the CIA.'

But for Dr Nelson, talk of such psychic machines - with the potential to detect global catastrophes or terrorist outrages - is of far less importance than the implications of his work in terms of the human race.

For what his experiments appear to demonstrate is that while we may all operate as individuals, we also appear to share something far, far greater - a global consciousness. Some might call it the mind of God.

'We're taught to be individualistic monsters,' he says. 'We're driven by society to separate ourselves from each other. That's not right.

We may be connected together far more intimately than we realise.'

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Old 03-09-2005, 05:19 AM
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Peace be upon you Yeoshua,

[3:179] GOD is not to leave the believers as you are, without distinguishing the bad from the good. Nor does GOD inform you of the future, but GOD bestows such knowledge upon whomever He chooses from among His messengers. Therefore, you shall believe in GOD and His messengers. If you believe and lead a righteous life, you receive a great recompense.


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Old 03-09-2005, 05:52 AM
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"We are taught to be individualistic monsters"
"We are driven by society to separate ourselves from each other."

How true, Yeo

Often times I see people with high spokesmanship about their god, but not an iota of reference for the whole of humanity.

Yes, Yeo, I believe we are connected far more intimately than we realize.

I'll speak up and say, this was a great post.
Thanks.

PS: in regards to the black box, do you feel that we are getting into knowledge of this by the simpler version--say, of the general black box on planes and newer model automobiles?

Also, do we not have an "egg" of our own in our brains?

Yeoshua, let me share something with you:
when I was 7 years old, I used to sit and ponder of things that other 7 year olds didnt. Here it goes: "Do I see the outdoors' as I look out the window' to be really there, or is it there because I am looking"?

Also, Ahmad, I feel we are all messengers, some have just not discovered this because of blindness, others because of avoidance, and fear. My knowledge of god is personal, but yet, this knowledge is in everyone. I welcome your response.
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Old 03-09-2005, 06:17 AM
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Mathematics and Philosophy are inextricably linked, the common question "If a tree falls and no-one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" is a simple way of questioning with the Shroedinger Equation (Shroedinger's Cat). Is the outcome influenced by the observer?

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SchroedingerEquation.html

When I was a child I pondered wether I see the colour blue, the same way you see the colour blue, or do I see the same colour that you would call red?

Being as a species we only process the information we need to survive, ie: Hear sounds withing a certain range or see light existing within a certain spectrum, who's to say that sounds don't have colours or colours don't make sounds?

There's a self proclaimed shamen called Terence McKenna who believes that in certain conditions, we can see the wiring behind the board........

As for your question regarding the ECU in a car or the data flight recorder on a plane, I believe yes, my phone, my car. My washing machine even broke down 3 weeks after I recieved a letter from the manufacturer asking if I wished to renew the warranty on it.

Our egg may be more fundamental than that. It is widely accepted that we do not use a vast proportion of our brains C80%, what does that 80% allow us to do? Telekenesis, see time as 3D (deja vu), remote view?

If you believe Darwinism, as a species, we develop a characteristic as we develop the need to develop a characteristic EG: We developed a mobile thumb as we started to use tools, following that logic, at some time in history, we used that 80%, or, we are more than we appear to be. For the record, I am not a Darwinist.
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Peace GR,

"Do I see the outdoors' as I look out the window' to be really there, or is it there because I am looking?"


Interesting question and the answer is more interesting. Yes, the outdoors are there just because you are looking!

The test is tailored for every individual by God. Whatever happens in the world, in your local community, in your house, at work is specially designed for you to witness, with all the fine details taken care of!. Even the most trivial happening is meant to be.

Why? To test you.

Note your center (your heart's orientaion, upon which you base your actions and judgments), and how it fluctuates and shifts from a creature to another. Submission is about reshifting this center back to the only stable entity in the universe, God, only then your actions and judgments will be based only on the truth (absolute values) and not on the unstable creatures (the visible, things and people).

And yes everyone has the knowledge of God (actually all kinds of knowledge) embeded deep inside of him or her. When someone invents something, it's not an invention, it's rather a "discovery".

Those who submit to God alone, get inspired with guidance from God, thus we may all be messengers in that sense. However God gives some people (Jesus, Muhammad..etc) some specific detailed messages. I claim to be one of these messengers and i have a proof from your Lord.

As for the subconciousness altering the physical world, it is indeed possible. By use of the Jinn-demons some people do evil (it's called witchcraft) but ofcourse they can't harm anybody without God's permission. Our righteous subconscious however affects the physical world through (the invisible righetous Jinns and Angels) in a beautiful way, take for example this,

messages in water

[img align=left]http://www.masaru-emoto.net/image/this-month-crystal/200502-200.jpg[/img]
WATER CRYSTAL of Feburary

A water crystal of water that was
exposed to a word "MODERATION", from Benjamin Franklin's 13 Virtues.water crystal of Feb (exposed to the word "Moderation")
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Ahmad: my birthday is in February. You can try to guess the date. Love ya all, Helen


PS, Ahmad: You say you are a messenger, and that you have received this as chosen by God?
Correct? Now let me ask, do you believe that there are those of us with God-given gifts?

Some people jump to: "It is not from God, it is from Satan"
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Salaam Ahmad,

Ma'at.........you have just made me nearly drown on my coffee.

The spirit of Ma'at is the 'cornerstone' or keystone of Masonry.

I am shocked and pleased.

"As I reached the vertical position the Worshipful Master whispered two peculiar words in my ear."
"Ma'at-neb-men-aa, Ma'at-ba-aa."
...These words are pure Egyptian meaning:
"Great is the established Master of Freemasonry [Ma'at], Great is the Spirit of Freemasonry [Ma'at]."

Ma'at means righteousness, truth, and justice within a level and ordered symmetrical scheme.

I know this wasn't the right forum for this posting, but it needed to be pointed out.
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Salaamun 'Alaykum,

Actually Yeoshua i found the story about the water crystals on Mercola's website, but then i did a search and found this interview with the Japanese researcher.

Anyway, it is interseting to know that it means truth, justice and righteousness. I suppose the established master of Ma'at should be God then.

You always talk about perfect order and symmetry, this is exactly what the miracle of 19 (revealed in 1974) confirms, since it is God's signature in His universe and on all the scriptures (Quran is the only one though confirmed word by word).

I have a feeling that freemasorny might have origins in an ancient pre-Judaic era, since it focuses on God alone i believe. Also being exclusive to men, is not surprising since in Submission (the original creed of Abraham) men are the heads of the households who after due consultation with their families, they gather to reach a final unanimous decision.

As for the secrecy, maybe it's because of persecution that lead to this self-defense mechanism that lasted with freemasonry.

But still many things don't add up, like the uniforms (religion has nothing to do with uniforms i believe) and the focus on symbols (which in witchcraft is a form of clear idolworship, i.e: attributing powers to the creatures instead of the Creator). Also the issue of the obedience to the masters, it could be righteous indeed if these masters are chosen by the people and are humbly serving them after "due consultation" with every single one, maybe you can shed some light on these issues.

I believe that no religion today is free from Satan's injections, so there is a very good chance that some part of freemasonry is polluted with idolworship, that needs some research though.

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