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Old 03-05-2005, 11:00 AM
Ahmad Ahmad is offline
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Peace all,

I found a chart on the internet that states that Satan is the ruler of this planet along with the "fallen angels", it also mentions that the three main religions and the nation states are just developed by Satan to control the human beings.

This might be true in one case, if God doesn't exist. The conspiracy of Satan and his descendants (the Jinn beings) is detailed in the scriptures and yes indeed the religions and the nation states maybe his tools to control us, however there is no god except God.

Only God rules, He has no partners in His kingship, not Satan, Muhammad, Jesus nor the saints.

The evil doers may impress you with their wealth, and power, in reality they are powerless, they can't even control themselves and that's why Satan controls them.

What will distinguish the real elite from the fake elite is this simple conviction, do you think Satan or his evil followers are actually ruling the world? do you think their money or power can go against God's will?

God created them, their money, their posts and all what they are or have, how could we be that ignorant to think for a minute that they can harm us without God's permission? they will harm none but the guilty who forget God and righteousness, and follow their sinful lusts.

Will you be a winner or a loser? You have the answer, just ask yourself, "what occupies my mind most of the time?", if it is anything or anyone other than God, then you better repent and shift your center back to God before it's too late.

[13:16] Say, "Who is the Lord of the heavens and the earth?" Say, "GOD." Say, "Why then do you set up besides Him masters who do not possess any power to benefit or harm even themselves?" Say, "Is the blind the same as the seer? Is darkness the same as the light?" Have they found idols besides GOD who created creations similar to His creations, to the point of not distinguishing the two creations? Say, "GOD is the Creator of all things, and He is the One, the Supreme."


The apparent control of Satan over this dominion was meant for one reason, to distinguish the blind from the seers, the blind bought the idea that Satan rules, as for the seers, they Know that only God rules and thus they will be the ultimate victors.

The illusion of Satan's rule will end very soon beginning with a big event, God willing, on 11.9.2005, for now it's time for God's kingdom to take over.

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Old 03-05-2005, 02:21 PM
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-a child being constantly beaten and raped might have a difficult time with what you just posted.

-a family who has just lost their son/daughter in the forces might have a difficult time with what you just posted.

-a physically challenged person without arms/legs might have a difficult time with what you just posted.

-a person shot and left for dead only because they were an innocent bystander might have a difficult time with what you just posted.

-a mother who just lost her newborn might have a difficult time with what you just posted.

you and i can think of various scenarios. seems to me somewhere in your life there is either abuse of a partner, a child, or other relative, or fellowman----by YOU. you are not a sincere man. i've read some of your posts. like most people in this forum, you are all talk -- just to irritate. you do not say anything with love, but hate. too bad. too bad you're nothing more than a fraud. the evil doers DO have power. you're a jerk, you know that? do you have anything to say for those that suffer? other than only god can do this and god can do that. ditto: you're a jerk.
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Old 03-05-2005, 02:50 PM
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Dear Superstupid,

You are only destroying your own credibility
with your unsubstantiated and viscious personal
attacks against Ahmad's good moral character.
Ahmad has a lot of good and valuable
information to impart and is at a much
higher spiritual level than yourself; like
an analogy of
comparing a back-alley heroin user who lives
in a cardboard box ( that is you ) with a very successful and clean living
entrepreneur and family man
( that would be Ahmad ).
I don't want Ahmad scared away from this
site by a vulgar intellectual midget
and FRAUD calling itself Superstar
when it should call itself Superstupid.
Here is the final, authoritative ruling:
"Superstar is a j*rk".
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Old 03-05-2005, 11:45 PM
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Peace Superstar,

You said: "do you have anything to say for those that suffer?"


Yes i have something to say,

[4:40] GOD does not inflict an atom's weight of injustice. On the contrary, He multiplies the reward manifold for the righteous work, and grants from Him a great recompense.

The same happening may happen to two persons, one will steadfastly persevere, turn to God and maintain his or her righteousness in an unwavering Submission to God's will. The other will reject, rebel and fill the world with screaming and complaining. Which one you think God would recompense?

Now note the startling truth about suffering, for those who will get depressed, who would curse the whole universe for their suffering, who will turn into unfunctional, self hating individuals, who may even commit suicide at the end, they are bringing themselves God's punishment by their own hands!. God says that everything that happens in the Heavens or the earth comes from Him, BUT we are the cause of bad things happening to us because of following Satan, the bringer of misery.

It is a universal law that those who fail to see the good point behind their destiny (whatever it is) and thus turn unappreciative of God, are bringing themselves a self inflicted suffering.

[4:79] Anything good that happens to you is from GOD, and anything bad that happens to you is from you. We have sent you as a messenger to the people, and GOD suffices as witness.


Suffering can transform a person's life from being a marginal human being to a succesful, light for all his bretheren. It is up to us to turn this tool into a blessing by turning to God alone to alleviate/transform it, or to get stuck in it, enslaved by Satan in a vicious downward spiral of self-hating, society-hating, unforgivness, self detruction!

Take for example Helen Keller, a profound example from God to all of us,

Excerpt from http://www.afb.org/section.asp?Documentid=1351:

The story of Helen Keller is the story of a child who, at the age of 19 months, suddenly lost her hearing and vision, and who, against overwhelming odds and with a great deal of persistence, grew into a highly intelligent and sensitive woman who wrote, spoke, and labored incessantly for the betterment of others. So powerful a symbol of triumph over adversity did she become that she has a definite place in the history of our time and of times to come.
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And to be more clera, i will try to answer your examples:

1-"-a child being constantly beaten and raped might have a difficult time with what you just posted."

God doesn't burden any soul beyond its means, if this child is to be a righteous person in the future, God will protect him and will not allow suffering beyond his or her threshold. This experience is not traumatic by itself, almost all of us have suffered in some way or another during childhood, some turned to God and drew closer to Him, some turned away from God and chose reconcilation in the creatures (drug abuse, relationships, adultery, work-addiction..etc). If this child accepts, forgives and turn to God for help, all this misery will vanish in a blink of an eye, few take heed though! thus they fall in the trap of Satan and bring more misery upon themselves.

[2:186] When My servants ask you about Me, I am always near. I answer their prayers when they pray to Me. The people shall respond to Me and believe in Me, in order to be guided.


2-"-a family who has just lost their son/daughter in the forces might have a difficult time with what you just posted."

Eventhough this war is obviously unjust, many soldiers are there out of true conviction, some are forced to be there, and for all of them God gives good news. In Quran the age of responsbility is 40, all the soldiers who die before that age go straight to Heaven, a much better place than this miserable world, don't you agree?. It's also a test for their families, a family may reject God's will, scream and hate everybody for their loss, another family may steadfastly persevere, endure the test, ask God for patience and delivery of grief. They would accept God's will, understand that this is possibly the best thing that could have happened to their son,

[2:154] Do not say of those who are killed in the cause of GOD, "They are dead." They are alive at their Lord, but you do not perceive.


3-"-a physically challenged person without arms/legs might have a difficult time with what you just posted."

I personally had friends who are blind and armless, yet they were the most happy, succesful i have seen in my life!. Again the same happening can be good or bad, depending on your response, turning to or away from God.


4-"-a person shot and left for dead only because they were an innocent bystander might have a difficult time with what you just posted."


Death is a great blessing for the righteous, but in our limited perception, we see it as a horrendous punishment!. Indeed it's a horrible event for the wicked, the angels will beat them [47:27], asking them to surrender their souls, but they will resist, next they will stay in a continous nightmare to the day of judgment. As for the righteous the angels tell them,

[16:31] The gardens of Eden are reserved for them, wherein rivers flow. They have anything they wish therein. GOD thus rewards the righteous.

[16:32] The angels terminate their lives in a state of righteousness, saying, "Peace be upon you. Enter Paradise (now) as a reward for your works."


The righteous don't actually die, they are transferred momentarily to Heaven like Jesus.


5- "-a mother who just lost her newborn might have a difficult time with what you just posted."


Inded she would have a difficult time if she forgets God at that moment, a righteous woman would remember God, ask Him for patience, and even thanking Him for this chance to remember Him!. A righteous woman, would ponder at the lesson to be learned from that experience, what is the message? is it that she did something wrong that she must repent from, or is it that God saved her from a baby who would have inflicted severe pain on here, or is it that it was not the right time for her to give birth. Oneday she will understand the good point behind this incident, in all cases she must submit, accept and steadfastly persevere if she wants God's recompense.

[3:186] You will certainly be tested, through your money and your lives, and you will hear from those who received the scripture, and from the idol worshipers, a lot of insult. If you steadfastly persevere and lead a righteous life, this will prove the strength of your faith.
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Old 03-06-2005, 12:43 AM
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Ahmed, I enjoy your messages. Keep it up.

We'll have to see about that 11.9 thing though...
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Old 03-06-2005, 01:16 AM
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Who really rules the planet? Remember the story of the Bible where Satan tries to tempt Jesus in the desert? Satan offered Jesus all the nations and riches of the world. Now tell me why would satan offer something he doesn't have? that story alone tells us who owns it all and it ain't the good side.

another interesting story I read is of demonic entities which give orders to world rulers. While we like to talk about politicians and those we see that seem to shape world events, those are only puppets to powers and forces we don't understand.
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Old 03-06-2005, 07:06 AM
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Peace MtnMan,


"We'll have to see about that 11.9 thing though..."

Well, it's a big test, it's either you believe the clear signs or have doubts about them. Clearly no human mind can fabricate such proofs. You would better make a decision before the advent of the event, for then it would be too late.



Peace Doctor X,


"Satan offered Jesus all the nations and riches of the world. Now tell me why would satan offer something he doesn't have?"


Satan is a proven liar, he did it before with Adam and his wife, he said:

[20:120] But the devil whispered to him, saying, "O Adam, let me show you the tree of eternity and unending kingship."

[20:121] They ate from it, whereupon their bodies became visible to them, and they tried to cover themselves with the leaves of Paradise. Adam thus disobeyed his Lord, and fell.


The tree is just a symbol of the visible dimension, Adam was enjoying the perfect spiritual dimension along with his wife, untill Satan duped them to eat from the forbidden tree by using his famous lie (attributing a power in the tree independent of God) thus he said the tree (itself) would give you eternity on its own, once the link between the tree and God was cut by this lie, Adam and his wife ate from the tree (eventhough God warned them against it before) and the visible dimension of (life on earth) along with their own bodies became visible to them, now the test gets harder for them and all of us, because seeing through this visible veil is not easy, except for the righteous.

Same happened with Jesus, but Jesus was smarter, he didn't buy these lies, he knew that only God really posseses this world.

You may argue that some families and powerful people are influencing the global scene and controlling everything. Which is indeed true but only to a certain extent.

What happened is that God gave Satan the power to whisper and lead the wicked (only those who buy his lies), for example Satan would convince a rich person that he CAN actually affect the policy of his country and wage a war of his own choice for profit, now God can allow or block him from achieving this, since money on its own has no power to do anything.

Why God allow thier schemes to succeed? God leads them on to the edge of the cliff, He is gathering the wicked in a big heap to be thrown into hell, and their evil schemes are allowed within certain limits in accordance with God's overall plan, thus the righteous are protected and the wicked get their just requital.

[14:22] And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "GOD has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution."


Think carefully about Satan's trick with Adam and his wife, since it is the same trick used with everyone of us in our daily lives.

A guy loses his job, Satan convinces him that the job he lost was the source of security for him and that by losing it, he is finished! next day the guy commits suicide!.
Was his job really the source of money, or is it God alone?

Another gets caught in the pornography scene, Satan lies and promises gratification from viweing these gross acts, now the guy has a choice, either to believe Satan and go for it, or remember God and abstain from it.

If he accepts Satan's invitation, he will get no satisfaction whatsoever (except a temporary illusion) why? because things in themselves cannot grant anything, they are totaly powerless, God withholds the unseen meaning (feeling of satisfaction, love..etc) from any channel other than the legal channel of marriage.

The guy will then get caught in an addiction of pornography, why addiction? because since it has no power to gratify any need of his, he will always come for more (may even upgrade to adultery, homosexuality..etc), but this more will create more vacum inside of him! and this vacum will suck more and more of the addictive substance in a desperate try to reach stability, yet it is the impossible itself!

[13:14] Imploring Him is the only legitimate supplication, while the idols they implore beside Him, cannot ever respond. Thus, they are like those who stretch their hands to the water, but nothing reaches their mouths. The supplications of the disbelievers are in vain.

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What i want to say is that Satan is the master liar, he believes his own lie that this dominion is his and not God's.

God is strengthening this idea in his mind by granting him more rope, so that he may incur his just requital along with all those who follow him.

The question that is posed right now for all of us is:

Who rules? God or Satan?

The answer to this question may determine your destiny now and forever.
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Old 03-06-2005, 09:51 AM
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"God doesn't burden any soul beyond its means, if this child is to be a righteous person in the future, God will protect him and will not allow suffering beyond his or her threshold. This experience is not traumatic by itself, almost all of us have suffered in some way or another during childhood, some turned to God and drew closer to Him, some turned away from God and chose reconcilation in the creatures (drug abuse, relationships, adultery, work-addiction..etc). If this child accepts, forgives and turn to God for help, all this misery will vanish in a blink of an eye, few take heed though! thus they fall in the trap of Satan and bring more misery upon themselves."


Ahmad, truer words have never been spoken.

God rules.
Satan is a fool.

Thank you Ahmad. You're explanation for why and what's up makes most sense when you think of choraling evil, bringing it to the surface - the light of truth - and BANISHING it for all time. A most pleasant thought. Yay God!

P.S. I often thought that a crucified Christ was an odd icon for a Christian church that says "no to idols".

Jesus cried to God, "Father, why have you forsaken me?" Jesus, was not God and did not understand the scope of God's plan.

I enjoyed the Jesus debate Ahmad and I have to admit that I agree with you on that matter. There is only one God and the three judaic based religions have been made a mockery, by the fools who would lead sheep to a slaughter house. Also, God chose Jesus, to perform miracles in God's name. He was one special guy!

Ahmad, I'm not sure about the messenger thingy and I like your style. I have gained a respect for what you write. Thank you.
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Old 03-06-2005, 11:21 AM
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Anonymous wrote:
Dear Superstupid,

You are only destroying your own credibility
with your unsubstantiated and viscious personal
attacks against Ahmad's good moral character.
Ahmad has a lot of good and valuable
information to impart and is at a much
higher spiritual level than yourself; like
an analogy of
comparing a back-alley heroin user who lives
in a cardboard box ( that is you ) with a very successful and clean living
entrepreneur and family man
( that would be Ahmad ).
I don't want Ahmad scared away from this
site by a vulgar intellectual midget
and FRAUD calling itself Superstar
when it should call itself Superstupid.
Here is the final, authoritative ruling:
"Superstar is a j*rk".
clean cut person here. you people are militant freaks. you all have your addictions and want to keep them, you are of no use in this society. you are not people of God, but of this Satan you all really worship. you can hide and disguise, but you people need help. no wonder the world will go through a NWO. you people need to straighten up and become part of the human race.
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Old 03-07-2005, 06:40 AM
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I understand what you're trying to say Ahmed.

I agree.

Your response was measured.

It's hard for everyone to think and feel that deeply though.

It's like your comment on Iraq...they also must take responsibility for their fate. That does'nt mean i approve of what's happening. That does'nt mean ar'nt moved to tears when a bunch of kids have just lost both parents at a roadblock. It's out of my hands and in theres.

Accepting responsability for what happens to you is the hardest thing to do.

God does not like innocent people.

God wants 'thinking' human beings. When you're innocent you dont have to think.

The NWO loves people who want to stay innocent.

When I started accepting at least part responsabilitiy for the things that happened to me things changed.

Take this for instance...a friend was bashed in town a while back. Basically he was walking down the street and was literally bashed for no reason. He was obviously upset. We all were. After a time I said to him..."you know, I've never been bashed in town on a Saturday night and do you know why?"..."Because I dont go to town when it's full of drunk, drug affected people".

He got the point.

It's not the best example but he had to take responsability for being in a place where bad things could happen.

God works through peoples feelings. By being able to feel you wont need to be knocked unconscious. If you cant feel then fate will use a bigger rock to knock you on the head with.

Denial is a river in Egypt.
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