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Old 03-16-2005, 12:49 AM
Draken Draken is offline
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Saturnino wrote:
And yes, I have unfortunately personal experience in my family. If you think about it, even if there were no obligatory generational curse, the son of an occultist would be a natural target for Satan, for he would have lived in a house with no protection from God and surrounded by evil activity.

About Icke seeing lizards or not, I don`t know. All I am saying is that demonized people see things. There is wide evidence, especially in the testimony of people who were into the occult and were saved later. It is not unusual for Satan to send demons in the form of ugly beasts, black spiders, etc., especially at night, in order to scare people. Even Christian who are fighting a spiritual battle are targets of these kinds of clown tricks from Satan.

It is important that we understand this, because it is the explanation of why intelligent people fall for the occult. It is because they really saw something. the problem is that they didn`t understand what it was.

It seems you're of the opinion that Occultism is Evil by default.
I had several conversations with Ahmad on this issue, I'm interested in your take on this. <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=601&forum=2&post_id=6636&PH PSESSID=b54e52e805f59da54480a65f732a6403#forumpost 6636">Fear of Occult & Gnostic Knowledge</a> and <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=519&viewmode=flat&order=DES C&start=10&PHPSESSID=b54e52e805f59da54480a65f732a6 403">Occult=Hidden, NOT Evil</a>

Three things are sacred to me: first Truth, and then, in its tracks, primordial prayer; Then virtue–nobility of soul which, in God walks on the path of beauty. Frithjof Schuon
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Old 03-16-2005, 07:16 AM
Saturnino Saturnino is offline
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I don`t necessarily think that people who seek occultism are bad or do it for evil reasons (even though some do). My father`s family is mostly Spiritist (Alan Kardec trend) and they are not evil. My grandmother used to have a spiritist center in her house and channeled an "indian" spirit.

I am not against studying what occultist have to say. I have done that myself. The conclusion I came up is that the occult is the door to a spirit world that God forbids us to enter, and the reason for that is simple. That dimension is the realm of demons, and they are the masters there. They can deceive you, pretend that they are something else, make you eventually do evil and turn you away from God. They always deny Jesus`sacrifice as the way to heaven.

So you start with good intentions but end up in the hands of these agents of Satan. I`ve seen this happen with friends, family, not to mention hundreds of testimonies of people who dabbed into the occult just to find themselves trapped by demons. And always, if you try to get rid of them, they turn from good, enlightened spirits into evil beasts that try to kill you or make you mad. (happened to my mom).

And also, we have the stories about the power of Jesus`name to these beings. They are scared to death of people who know how to claim it. Christians can create havoc in their midst. A simple prayer can wreck a spiritist meeting. Channeling won`t happen if there is people praying. Demons are cast off. This all happens, and here in Brazil, all the time.

It is even hard to say that occult=hidden, because there are so many books and witnesses that you can learn everything from the occult in the internet or amazon.com.
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