The Great Seal of American Freemasonry

spectre wrote:

Well but I somehow do not foresee Christ making excuses for the insignicant tendencies of mankind. The devil would of course. The devil is always willing to offer sympathy and justification.

You get no less from my responses than what you desire to. Isn't everything what we make of it?

Well, then, go talk to the devil cause there isn't any sympathy here.

I want nothing from you and that would include a response.

Everything is what THEY/HIM tried to make of ME and did not.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

BlueAngel wrote:

Everything is what THEY/HIM tried to make of ME and did not.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

Wrong again.

Since we're making so many assumptions, I want to give it a shot. Let's assume for one millisecond that there is a shred of truth in any of what you are claiming. Whether you can remember it or not, you allowed for this to happen to you. You allowed for your temptation to get the best of you. It would seem this is an ongoing inner battle and I truly wish you the best of luck with it.

spectre wrote:

Wrong again.

Since we're making so many assumptions, I want to give it a shot. Let's assume for one millisecond that there is a shred of truth in any of what you are claiming. Whether you can remember it or not, you allowed for this to happen to you. You allowed for your temptation to get the best of you. It would seem this is an ongoing inner battle and I truly wish you the best of luck with it.

First of all, WE'RE not making any assumptions. YOU ARE.

Secondly, the twisted logic you give is just that TWISTED.

The abuser is never at fault. The abused always allows it to happen.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

BlueAngel wrote:

First of all, WE'RE not making any assumptions. YOU ARE.
BlueAngel

We?

BlueAngel wrote:

Secondly, the twisted logic you give is just that TWISTED.

The abuser is never at fault. The abused always allows it to happen.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

True enough. Noone EVER deserves to be abused and when one leaves themselves open to such abuse it is almost always due to some form of prior abuse whether emotional or physical.

I wasn't generalizing to the degree that you have.

I thought we were discussing you (and however many additional you's there may be).

Though you won't accept it, I wholeheartedly wish you the best.

spectre wrote:

We?

True enough. Noone EVER deserves to be abused and when one leaves themselves open to such abuse it is almost always due to some form of prior abuse whether emotional or physical.

I wasn't generalizing to the degree that you have.

I thought we were discussing you (and however many additional you's there may be).

Though you won't accept it, I wholeheartedly wish you the best.

You said "WE" in your last comment.

Spectre said, "ONE leaves themselves OPEN to abuse."

There are no additional ME's.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

[igwt]

spectre wrote:

Wrong again.

Since we're making so many assumptions, I want to give it a shot. Let's assume for one millisecond that there is a shred of truth in any of what you are claiming. Whether you can remember it or not, you allowed for this to happen to you. You allowed for your temptation to get the best of you. It would seem this is an ongoing inner battle and I truly wish you the best of luck with it.

This is the same logic people say about women being provocative re being raped, assulted etc.

The twisted logic of an abuser. They must blame the one they abuse. How else can they justify their behavior? How else can they attempt to control them? This is true of those who are abused and not mind control victims.

When you are a mind control victim, FEAR of him and what he would do to me if I didn't behave, follow orders, do as I was told, give in to his desires, is the control mechanism that is put in place.

Physical abuse is applied and referred to as "suffering the consequences of your actions" for misbehavior or for not behaving as they/HE deemed appropriate. This to keep you in line.

Same sick logic as triggering your sexual programming and then calling you a "dirty little girl" when you are forced through their control to engage in sexual behavior as a young child against your own free will.

You have NO CHOICE because all choices are made for you through their control using triggers, commands, altered states of consciousness, etc.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

[spectre]

I understand where you'd come to these conclusions but they couldn't be further from the truth. There are "predators" and then there are "prey" out there. I would fall into the latter category. My comment was in reference to something on a more personal level that I have gathered from reading through BA's posts. It was a highly generalized statement on my part and not meant in the "global" sense.

I'd try to clarify more but eh I won't go there.

The only potential harm I have ever caused another would have to be something I was doing to myself. Likely one of those behavior issues stemming from childhood. I will try to emphasize context in the future.

I'm harmless.

[TheLucifer]

They are actually two mottos and both are taken from Vergil. "Annuit Coeptis" comes from the Aeneid and means "He favors our (daring) undertakings". In the Aeneid, it referred to Jupiter, but here there is no subject, although many think the 'eye of providence' is the subject.

"Novus Ordo Seclorum" does not mean "New World Order", but "New Order of the Ages". It comes from one of Vergil's Eclogues and relates to a prophecy of a child that comes from the heavens and starts a new order of the ages. This was commonly thought to refer to Christ, which is why Vergil's work has survived better than many Roman literature. The Christians didn't destroy it.
"Novus Ordo Mundi" is "New World Order"

The above is from a post in this thread in regards to the Latin phrases (above and below the pyramid) on the Great Seal of the USA, that I believe to be accurate.

Annuit Coeptis, the subject as stated above is Jupiter.
Jupiter is king of all gods and governs all the deeds of man.
The eye of providence (the Blazing Star of Freemasonry, the upside down 5 pointed star, the image of the King in the OES, the Star of Bethlehem) represents Jupiter/Satan as the King/Lucifer, enlightening man and governing all the deeds of man.
The Lucifer = the Christ/King of kings.
Satan is set up as the Christ but is not, therefore it is Antichrist, the instead of Christ.
It/they are not the bringer of light but darkness.

Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike
page 14
“The blazing Star…an emblem of Divine Providence, and commemorative of the star which appeared to guide the wise men of the East”
Page 15
According to English masonry,
“The Blazing Star…refers us to that grand luminary, the sun, which enlightens the earth”
“The Blazing Star…as an emblem of…the ALL-seeing Eye”

KJV Bible, Masonic Edition, 1932 copy by A. J. Holman, in the section titled "History and Facts concerning the Order of The Eastern Star" these words are found,
"The Star of Bethlehem...as the emblem of the Order...its five points" and at the end of this section, in the "CONCLUSION" these words are found,
"the initiate...are stamped with the image of the King."

So, according to Freemasonry (Robert Morris, the founder of the OES) the Star of Bethlehem is the upside down 5 pointed star and this star is the image of the King.

The subject Jupiter = Satan.

To understand what Satan is, is to understand it is not a conscious freewill entity therefore it cant favor anything.
The one that actually does the favoring is the one the likeness thereof stands in New York, Ishtar.
As mentioned in the Bible a woman rides the beast.
She rides (controls/guides) the beast Satan.

The men behind Satan (which is not a conscious freewill entity, it is a symbol of an agenda/religion) are saying, via the eye in the capstone that, they and Satan are the rulers/King of the world.
The agenda is world domination.
They/Satan are the Chief Cornerstone.
The dc beast is the abomiNATION of desolation.

Novus Ordo Seclorum (new order of the ages) as stated above from Vergil’s Eclogues is in regards to a child that comes from the heavens and starts a new order of the ages, thought to be Christ i.e. Jesus Christ.
In the Masonic Lodge Jesus is a symbol for the Lodge/d.c. beast Satan.
This child that comes down from heaven is not Jesus but Satan.
heavens = planned, it was a concept/plan.
Comes from = actually set up in the real world, no longer a plan.

In the bible the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven, that New Jerusalem is Washington D.C./America, where the Masonic child Satan is.
Heaven = concept/plan.
Comes down from = actually set up in the real world.

Woe to those (minions/patriots) who are with child, the child Satan.

Seclorum is where we get our word secular (world) from.
Satan/Masonic Lodge is the new order of the ages, for the world.

To see a highlighted map of Washington DC showing an UPSIDE DOWN CROSS with Satan atop the upside down cross click the link. I use the map showing east up so as to make the beast and upside down cross easier to view, so north is to the left.
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[KSigMason]

Originally Posted by G4bster

"Annuit Coeptis Novus Ordo Seclorum" is Latin for "Announcing the birth of the New World Order".

Your Latin is horrible. Annuit Coeptis is Latin for: He approves our undertakings. Novus Ordo Seclorum is Latin for: New Order of the Ages. If did take them together, it would basically say God approves this New Order of the Ages (New Order being America in a time when the British empire controlled most of the world).

You should see this thread.