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Old 12-15-2006, 08:33 PM
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Yet again, "They" take the oldest trees, oldest culture on the oldest land, but still try to ell the world they came from somewhere else.


Wollemi rock art shows Aboriginal Dreaming
Judy Skatssoon
ABC Science Online

Friday, 2 December 2005

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Some of the rock art found in Wollemi National Park is believed to represent paths associated with Dreamtime beings, such as the eagle ancestor (Image: Paul Taçon)
Archaeologists surveying rugged bushland outside Sydney have discovered evidence that an ancient Aboriginal Dreaming track runs through wilderness where the Jurassic-era Wollemi Pine was found.

Dreaming tracks record the journey of spirit ancestors as they moved through the landscape, transforming ancestral lands and laying down the laws.

Around 1000 known tracks are believed to exist, mainly in central and northern Australia, says Professor Paul Taçon of Griffith University, whose work was presented at an archaeology conference in Western Australia this week.

Taçon says a survey of Wollemi National Park west of Sydney, beginning in September 2004, has found numerous paintings and engravings.

"We found dozens of previously unrecorded rock art sites," he says.

"It appears that a traditional Aboriginal travel route, possibly a Dreaming track, runs across Wollemi National Park."

He says the rock art evidence suggests that there must once have been Dreaming tracks across southeast Australia as significant and detailed as those in the north and centre.

The finding is also reported in the International Newsletter of Rock Art.

Probing the wilderness

The discovery comes after Taçon and his team announced in 2003 they had discovered more than 200 rock paintings in an undisclosed rock shelter deep in the Wollemi wilderness.

Some areas were so remote they were only accessible by helicopter.

The sites represent the most well-preserved and extensive drawing and stencil sites in southeastern Australia, Taçon says.

They are believed to be as old as 4000 years and many represent birds, or human-bird hybrids, which is unusual for Aboriginal art but probably reflected the area's rich bird life.

At the time it was hailed as a major find, but since then Taçon and colleagues, including members of local Aboriginal communities, have made more startling discoveries suggesting the area has major cultural significance.

Major cultural significance

"We've been working on the eastern and western sides of the central portion of Wollemi National Park and we've been finding some key sites on each side which show influences from several different directions," he says.

"For example some of the art which is more typical of the western side is found in the east and vice versa.

"It looks like this is a path that people used and marked for many thousands of years."

Taçon says the sites will remain secret but will be documented for posterity.

His team will begin new fieldwork in the area next April.

The world-famous Wollemi pine was discovered in the area in 1994 after having been thought extinct for millions of years.

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Old 12-15-2006, 08:34 PM
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A piece from the following site about the sunken ancient civilization off Japan;

The existence of prehistoric civilizations

The earth was not like this at its beginning. It has experienced countless numbers of crust changes, volcanoes, floods, ice ages, and so on. The earth as it appears now has experienced myriad changes. Let us look at the "Near-Water-Ancient-Land" as an example. This place is 2600 meters deep, and only 90 kilometers from the Japanese Gulf. However, 67-25 millions years ago, it was high above the Pacific Ocean, some 120 kilometers east of the Japanese islands. Therefore, it is not difficult to imagine that if civilization existed during prehistoric times, natural catastrophes and geographical realignments would change the landscape, and only a very few remnants would be forever kept under the sea.

The legendary Mu civilization

At the end of the 19th century, British Colonel James Churchward was on garrison duty in India. He was fortunate enough to obtain the Naccal inscription from an abbot of a Hindu temple. It was in a very puzzling language. After many tries, Churchward and a well-known monk deciphered the history of a great prehistoric civilization. In 1926, Churchward published a book, The Lost Continent about the Mu civilization.

The Location of the Mu Continent

According to the inscription, the Mu Continent was located in the Pacific Ocean. Mu was a great and prosperous civilization, which had advanced literature, arts, craft skills, and which had also developed machinery. People at that time had marvelous construction skills, and were able to build giant buildings, pyramids, stone monuments, castles, and roads. It was said that neat and tidy stone roads and canals were found in the capital and all other big cities. All of the walls were shining and decorated with gold. People lived a luxurious life. Residents on the Mu Continent were good sea navigators. It was said they traveled all the oceans. They even developed a powerful colonial empire. At that time, the Mu Continent was referred as "The apex of world culture."

However, the prosperous Mu Continent disappeared. It is said to have sunk into the water after a sudden catastrophe. The terrible tragedy began with a violent volcano eruption, followed by strong earthquakes and hurricanes. Everything happened at once. The volcanic lava gushed out, coupled with strong earthquakes. The land billowed like sea waves and fire and heavy smoke filled the sky. Everything collapsed like toys, and was immediately covered by lava and seawater. With no warning, all of the Mu Continent sank into the Pacific Ocean.

People might think the story to be a legend. However, viewed from another angle, one can see the possibility of an existing civilization of human beings.

Undersea relics provide clear evidence of the existence of prehistoric civilizations. However, it is hard to find such discoveries in the textbooks. Modern archeologists and historians do not like to challenge existing historical knowledge, as that would be incompatible with current theories. However, we believe that it is only a matter of time for anthropologists and historians to change their acquired notions and to accept the historical truths.
Translated from http://www.zhengjian.org/zj/articles/2003/3/30/21021.html
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Old 12-15-2006, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by raginggran
The Native Tribes of North America believe this too ....

Lily wrote:

Dreaming stories give meaning to human life. Aboriginal people attribute their origins and occupation of Australia to their ancestors and spirit beings of their particular family groups, distinct to a particular area of land. These stories translate theories of occupation to their close relationship with the land. This has often been expressed by Aboriginal people when describing the land as my Mother. It is believed by many Aboriginal people that the same spirits who created the land, sea, waterways and life in general are involved in the conception and birth of a child. Hence today a direct link to Ancestral Beings and live continues

Raginggran, this is the interesting thing, the very close relationship between Australia and South America in ancient times, that is so casually brushed aside by the 'experts'.

The 'models' we have for the movement of land masses are just that, "models", but geological, plant and animal relationships, along with oral histories (including African oral histories that teach Africa WASN'T the land they came from) seem to tell us we started further south, in these more 'pre-historic' lands, before they divided.

Aboriginals have many stories of hunting, now long extinct, huge cretures, and have always had cats, a low grade, hard times food, the women would relay-run to exhaustion. They DNA test differently to all other domestic cats too. Just another little example of a known lie being perpetuated for political benefit.

It's funny but in my youth, though taught European history from Europeans, I was obsessed with Africa (hold world records in an African breed, ten years after retiring), which "naturally", led to me 'discovering' ancient America (Chief Joseph 'haunted' me too; I was blessed with some of the best Appaloosas in the world), who's creation stories and prophecies, then kept ringing bells of Australian Dreaming stories.

The science and genetics needed for successfull breeding, along with the lost and hidden histories of the Europeans persicuted by other Europeans, of my family, while growing up in this historicly ignored land...well I had many real life reasons to ask why so many questions, aren't being asked, let alone answered.

I bred Sioux Indian horses, as an Australian Ukrainian, the peoples who first domesticated horses and passed their skills on through across the continant, to Ireland; in relatively recent human history.
I bred an African dog, they still can't agree on the history of, who's oldest wild relative is the dingo.
I dug around alot of little known and ignored histories, to use the same genes everyone else had, in more compatible combinations.
I kept coming across missing trade and contact links, and all sorts of other anomolies, that if you listen to African oral hisories, and go back further to another land they came from...
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Old 12-15-2006, 08:39 PM
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"We know so much about the history of other cultures across the world ... but we know very little about our own,"

So why are 'little details', as I've bolded below, so 'keenly ignored', when calculating time lines and alligning histories?
These 11 layers, over thousands of years, are at least 11 times the memouries were refreshed, yet these continuous historians get no input in the "accepted", "official", history of man?
The 'unusual combinations' of animal/humans, though, were not unusual for the Egyption culture who's glyphs of the same time frame are also found in NSW.
How many times in man's history, have we crossed paths, and exchanged and multplied yet further coruptions of old creation stories and histories?


Aboriginal rock art reveals world that time forgot
ABC Science Online

Thursday, 3 July 2003

Australian Museum
One of the 203 cave paintings found in rugged terrain near Sydney [Australian Museum]
Hundreds of Aboriginal cave drawings, some as old as the Egyptian pyramids, have been discovered in rugged woodland near Sydney in what Australian scientists are calling a major find.

The cave containing 203 rock paintings up to 4,000 years old were kept secret for eight years after a hiker stumbled upon it in rugged parkland in 1995, scientists told reporters. The inaccessibility of the area in the Wollemi National Park, about 150 km north of Sydney, kept researchers from conducting a full-scale investigation of the find until May this year.

"It's like an ancient world that time forgot," said Dr Paul Taçon, an anthropologist at the Australian Museum in Sydney, who led the expedition. The cave holds 203 paintings, stencils and prints in "pristine condition", depicting humans and god-like human-animal composites, birds, lizards and marsupials, he said.

There are life-size, delicately drawn eagles, kangaroos and an extremely rare depiction of a wombat, Taçon said, describing how the images were painted in 11 layers during a period from around 2000 BC to the early 19th century. There are also stencils of human hands, boomerangs and other tools.

"We've never seen anything quite like this combination of rare representations in so many layers," Taçon said. The exact location of the site - described as a rock shelter about 12 m long, 6 m deep and 1 to 2 m high - was being kept secret to prevent damage by vandals or sightseers.

The parkland is so rugged that it was not until 1994 that scientists were amazed to discover trees that had been thought extinct for 150 million years. Now known as Wollemi pines, there were only 43 of the trees found in a gully, of a species that covered the planet when dinosaurs roamed the Earth.

The Premer of New South Wales state, Bob Carr, told reporters it was remarkable discovery which confirmed the richness of Aboriginal culture and spiritual life at a time when civilisation was blossoming around the world.

"This reminds us [that] 4,000 years ago, when you had civilisation flourishing in Mesopotamia, when you had the power of Egypt, before China was united, while Stonehenge was being built, we had Aboriginal people in these lands, on the outskirts of the Sydney basin," he said. "This is eerie, because it's contact with a very old Australia and it's why we've got to honour our Aboriginal people."

"We know so much about the history of other cultures across the world ... but we know very little about our own," said Samantha Mattila, a spokeswoman for the Australian Museum. "This is at the backdoor of Sydney and it's untouched, it's pristine."

with Reuters, Agençe France-Presse

Now concider the following from that article; am I the only one who questions this contradictory excuse, for keeping controvercial discoveries, hidden from alternative researchers?......

.....The inaccessibility of the area in the Wollemi National Park, about 150 km north of Sydney, kept researchers from conducting a full-scale investigation.....The exact location...was being kept secret to prevent damage by vandals or sightseers.

.....now vandals and sightseers don't usually pop out to such inaccessibile areas, as will put off funded and equiped researchers from an important discovery, do they?
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Old 12-15-2006, 08:40 PM
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An interesting site with much to read and consider;

Independent research - New Zealand Update - Antonia Bowen-Jones
New Zealand Plants with a South American or Asian Connection

Kanga – Maize (Zea mays)

It is not known when maize was first introduced to New Zealand. Peru has been suggested as its place of origin.

The most unusual method employed to cure the corn is called the “kanda wai” process. This involves steeping the kernels in water, which then produces “kanga pirau”. The Indians of the Ancash Province in Peru also use this method. Both the Maori and the Ancash Indians have used this method of soaking the potatoes in cooking preparations.

Ettie Rout (1926) wrote: “The New Zealand Maori formerly grew large quantities of magnificent maize, from seed brought by them from Peru”.

Karetu - Scented Grass (Hierochloe redolens)

This is also found in Colombia.

Marsh Cress – Hanea, Poniu (Rorippa palustris)

It was probably used by 18th Century explorers to try to combat scurvy. It is part of the cabbage plant family although it looks very different. The Maori boiled it and to eat in early times.

It was also interestingly used by the Navaho-Ramah American Indians as a ceremonial eyewash as part of a ritual (Moerman 1986). We have ‘Chinese’ DNA of the Navaho Indians (also spelt Navajo) - Professor Novick and colleagues. The Navajo also understand Chinese having similar linguistics.

New Zealand Spinach

Although this species of vegetable is widely known as ‘New Zealand’ Spinach – it can also be found in Asia, Australia and parts of the South Pacific.

Taro (Colocasia antiquorum; Colocasia esculenta)

Taro is said to originate in the Indo-Burmese region from whence it spread West to Egypt around the time of Christ. It then spread east to China and Japan soon after. It is now found growing wild on the Islands in Hawaii and the Pacific. Over twenty varieties of Taro were grown in the warmer parts of North Island, New Zealand. It was grown close to water supplies as it prefers rich moist soil of a sandy nature. The Chinese use taro for medicinal purposes. It tastes sweet and pungent and it acts on problems in the stomach and large intestine. Its healing effects are it can cure scrofula, treat tuberculosis of the lymph nodes. It was used for treating diarrhoea, worms and also given to women to ease birth pains.

It is presumed that the Maori brought over Taro to New Zealand. This plant so common in China and Japan with so many magnificent properties is one that the Chinese with their extensive knowledge of herbal remedies would certainly have carried on long voyages. The Maori in New Zealand today sadly lack knowledge of the plants medicinal uses still acknowledged Hawaii and China.


The Maoris have been presumed to be the carriers of the much-cultivated Kumara sweet potato in New Zealand.
Kumara : "A sweet potato of tropical origin, a member of the plant family Convolvulaceae, which was the major cultivated food crop of the pre-European Maori. The kumara grew successfully only on sheltered north-facing gardens in the north of the North Island. Some of the varieties grown today are believed to have been introduced by 19th century whalers and sealers, but Maori tradition claims the origin of the kumara as Hawaiki, the legendary homeland. The Kumara is most certainly a Central American plant originally"
(Source : New Zealand Encyclopedia, 4th Edition, Bateman)

The New Zealand Maoris’ y-chromosome (male) DNA is genetically proven to be Polynesian in origin.
No Polynesian DNA has been found in the people of South America (Bryan Sykes, Professor of Human Genetics Oxford University)

Therefore how is it possible that the New Zealand Maori carried the undisputed Andean Kumara sweet potato to New Zealand without leaving any genetic trace of their presence in South America?

New Zealand Maori''s mitochondrial (female) DNA is also genetically proven to be Asiatic (Dr Chambers)

Other Plants that can be found in New Zealand that we believe were brought over by the Chinese:

· Karaka tree brought over by the Chinese from Easter Island (Journeys into the Mystery – Gary Cook)
· Conifers appear in Fiji, New Hebrides, Tasmania, Australia and New Zealand: “There are 77 plant species unique to New Zealand, Tasmania and Central America”
· Chenopodium Album – discovered by Cook on South Island, 1769, indigenous to China and North America (Dave Bell)
· Paper mulberry (Brouseonetia Papyrifera) from Hawaii – used for tapa cloth
· Hue (lagenia vulgaris) from Hawaii – gourd plant used for food.
· Cheilanthes tenufolia from Asia
· Wild cabbage (Brassica oleracea)
· Broadleaf (Grislinia littoracis) from Chile
· Wild turnip from India
· Black nightshade from Hawaii
· Watercress from California
· Miro trees from Pitcairn
· “Dragon''s beardgrass" (Juncus effusus) rushes from China
· Juncus communis rushes from China
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The earliest boomerang, a hunting weapon with very specific and unusual aerodynamic properties, is dated at 21,000 years of age. It was found not in Australia, but in Poland.

From above post;
(iii) Chinese had known of North and South Poles since 3rd century BC (Zhuangzi) and that the earth was round (para. 9(b)).

(iv) Australia had been known since 316 AD (para. 9).

You just have to wonder how many times history has been 're-adjusted' to fit 'anomolies', and what it would look like if "Facts" were called "Facts" instead of "anomolies".
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A 5000 year old alphabet has been found on six global continents. Translations and grammar suggest a global human culture thrived in antiquity.


The author, in attempting to document some unusual and very old rock art in remote North America, has discovered an ancient alphabet. This alphabet is similar to ancient writing found in other locations around the globe and the author suggests that this is the result of a cultural migration.

The author's discovery is in Colorado and has been dated to before 800 BC. In the Negev desert of Israel, this same alphabet has been dated to 1500 BC. In South Australia the alphabet is estimated to be over 5000 years old.

The alphabet has been given the name "old Negev," after the location of the alphabet's initial discovery in the Sinai (See James Harris, Ph.D., Brigham Young University).

In Australia it has been known by the name "Panaramitee Art," while in the Americas it has been misrepresented as Native American Indian sign language (See LaVan Martineau, The Rocks Speak).

The alphabet has most recently surfaced in Yemen, where it was carved in a font style associated with the Sabatean Empire under the Queen of Sheba. The alphabet is now understood to be proto-Himyaritic, or Sabaean, and translated using a proto-Canaanite dialect.

The author recognizes the danger of describing the language as "old Negev" or "old Hebrew," despite the fact that root-Semetic languages are used in the translations. Evidence of the antiquity of this script in both America and Australia suggest that this root language may pre-date that of the Hebrews by at least a millennia.

The author and his associates suggest using an unbiased name, such as "the First Tongue," to avoid any biased association with a specific people or era.

The content of the translations, although not complete, suggests a common culture and religious belief system. But more scrutiny of this language system, its content and occurrence around the globe is indicated.

Photographic evidence is presented and on-going translations are posted from the Expedition in May 2000. A discussion of the evidence is welcomed. Additional translations from ViewZone's Expedition 2001: Yemen will be made available as completed.
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This site;
shows many ways Australia fits the Biblical description of 'The Promised Land', without being aware of it, as it's also pushing that Anti-Christ book, "The Purpose Driven Life".
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It seems, folk haven't bother clicking many of the links, or I'm sure many other exciting new threads would have come from them. So how about we concider 'little details' like these from;

Grid Point 44: Australia

Grid Point 44 - Flinders Rangers - Chambers Gorge, Australia

The Becker and Hagens' Planetary Grid system places 'balanced' Grid Point 44 in South Australia.

It is calculated to be connected to the 'yang' points of 27, found in the Gulf of Carpentaria and 54 at Kangaroo Fracture in the Antarctic Ocean. The 'yin' points of 43 and 45, to which 44 is also connected, are located in the Indian Ocean and Loyalty Islands of the Pacific Ocean respectively. Evidence of ancient stone structures was found by Len Beadell in the 1950s, and was subsequently referred to as the Aboriginal Stonehenge.

Carved in the mountainside are huge rock petroglyhs of eagle and Hawk-headed beings in canoes going down a river. These petroglyphs date back 40,000 to 60,000 years ago

The Aborigines who live in the area say that this is the 'site of creation'.[

Gee, a man from a 60.000 year old continuously isolated culture, with brown skin and kinky white wool like hair!
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Coal: Memorial to the Flood
by Tas Walker

South-East Australia’s Latrobe Valley has some extremely thick deposits of brown coal which are mined to fuel several huge power stations. One bucket-wheel excavator removes the relatively thin overburden and exposes the coal seam. Another excavator digs the coal and drops it onto a moving conveyor belt for the power-station boilers.1

The machines are immense, towering over the people who work on them. Indeed, a person could easily disappear inside one of the many buckets. Each excavator can dig up to 60,000 tonnes of coal each day.1 Yet the coal seams are so thick that they dwarf these massive excavators, which must traverse the seam several times before the coal is completely removed.

Huge coal basin

The Gippsland Basin, deposited at the edge of the Australian continent.

The coal seams occur within thick layers of clay, sand and basaltic lava, which together form a 700-metre (2,300-foot) sequence of rocks, known as the Latrobe Valley Coal Measures.2 These lie in a large, deep depression, called a ‘basin’, shaped like a triangle 300 km (190 miles) long and 300 km (190 miles) wide (see diagram below). Most of the basin lies under the ocean off the southern coast of Australia. Offshore the coal measures are estimated to be almost 5 km (3 miles) thick.

Latrobe Valley coal consists of a mass of very fine plant debris containing partly-decomposed plant remains.1 It is clear that a great quantity of plant material accumulated in the past to produce such huge deposits of coal.

How did the coal get there?

How would such a great amount of vegetation collect together in one place? No-one alive today has ever observed such a process. All scientists can do is to invent plausible explanations based on what they think may have happened.

For those who believe the Bible, the presence of such great quantities of buried vegetation is easily explained. It is consistent with the devastation of Noah’s Flood, which would have uprooted the entire pre-Flood biosphere and buried it with huge quantities of sand and mud.

However, geologists who do not believe the Bible base their explanations on a different philosophy. They are committed, from the outset, to explaining the evidence using what we see happening today. There has only ever been one global Flood, and according to the Bible it occurred some 4,300 years ago. Since it can’t be observed today, these geologists will not accept that it happened in the past. Thus, they try to explain everything by slow and gradual processes over millions of years.

For these brown coal deposits, they say that the vegetation accumulated as peat in a swamp during ideal climatic and geologic conditions.1 They say the swamps formed on floodplains near the coast,2 which were slowly sinking and eventually inundated by the ocean.3
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