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Old 01-01-2008, 06:15 PM
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Did ME9 have a meltdown?

Shadow, you are melting.

Just like the wicked witch of the west!

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Old 01-01-2008, 08:39 PM
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why in the world would you suggest I’m having a “meltdown”

I am going to “bring you down”, if that is “all I do” from now till “eternity” folds over...

you are the “trash” I am going to “dump” in the “dumpster”....

you know you “don’t belong in here”...

and so, I am going to make your life a “living hell” here in “ClubConspiracy”, if you haven’t noticed by now, I am dedicated you, “trash”...
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Old 01-02-2008, 08:54 AM
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BlueAngel wrote:
As I said, these trolls cannot confine themselves to the thread to which the subject of mind control and mind control within the music industry is appropriate.

They must trash every thread on the forum with their dribble.
looks who’s talking Ms. garbage dribble...

that is all you do, to “quote your words”...

trash every thread on the forum with their dribble”...
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Old 01-02-2008, 02:46 PM
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Edwards is using or used "The Rising," by Springsteen during his campaign.

Don't think it'll help.

Afterall, Kerry connected himself to Springsteen and that didn't help either.

Seriously, the man's music only appeals to his fanatics.

Very boring song, I might add and, again, an album which Springsteen capitalized on following the deaths of thousands in the Twin Towers.

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Old 01-02-2008, 05:10 PM
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looks who’s talking Ms. garbage dribble...

that is all you do, to “quote your words”...

“trash every thread on the forum with their dribble”...

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Old 01-02-2008, 08:08 PM
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ME9 said:

and so, I am going to make your life a “living hell” here in “ClubConspiracy”, if you haven’t noticed by now, I am dedicated you, “trash”...


Make my life a living hell, you say.


I doubt that!

Same thing the "sadistic pigs" told me.

You must be one of them.

They didn't succeed and you won't either.

Why would anyone want to make my life a living hell unless they have a vested interest in protecting Springsteen and the other criminal acts perpetrated upon me and countless others incarcerated in MKULTRA/Project Monarch at the hands of the United States government?

That would be the only reason, folks!
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Old 01-02-2008, 11:33 PM
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Is it one cretin speaking as two or two cretins speaking as one.

Whichever it is, stay the hell out of the Ron Paul thread as this is the only real one going here and you two seem hell bent to pollute it and shut it down!

Stay out BlueAngel/Peter (or is it just cretin squared)


I apologize, Peter.

Didn't mean to step on the newest member's response to your post.

I just had to add my two cents.

Do not worry. Its Shadow who is the problem. Its time the moderators deal with this guy.

Couldn't agree more.

Quite interesting how EVERYONE else on the board seems to find IT's rude behavior on the forum, which has always been mainly targeted at me, acceptable and these are, as they proclaim themselves to be, in the know about the NWO.

These members have the same tolerance for the many other posters on this forum who behave in the same manner as Shadow.

Oh, please, JIMBO. Get real.

You label someone an agent provocateur working for the NWO because they have a differing opinion than what you believe.

Give me a break.

People who don't agree with you and post contrary to your opinion are not disrupting threads.

They're posting contrary to your opinion and are not agent provocateurs in most cases.


You think anyone who disagrees with you is working for the NWO?

If you expect that YOUR threads are only there for those who agree with you, I would suggest you are not thinking clearly unless you believe this is a GROUP think situation, which would suggest mind control.

You have spent much time on this forum and I'm certain you are playing dumb by not calling out the real disruptor's in this place.

You prefer to label those with an opinion that differs from your own as disruptor's or "agents."

Maybe you should write a book.

That way, only your opinion will be included.

Jimbo said:

An agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs, French for "inciting agent") is a person who secretly disrupts a group's activities from within the group. Agents provocateurs typically represent the interests of another group, or are agents directly assigned to provoke unrest, violence, debate, or argument by or within a group while acting as a member of the group.

Are you under the impression that this forum exists for a group of people who have to think exactly the same?

What group of people?


If so, I can understand why you believe anyone with a differing opinion is an "agent."

When people cast labels, it is to disperse "disinformation" about the person.

Maybe you're a disinformation agent, JIMBO.

You cast labels to dis-spell conflicting opinions other than what you believe so that anyone else reading might believe what you say about another poster as being an "agent" for the NWO.

Maybe you're a NWO agent.

Ron Paul ought to get a clue and stop using sign language.

We're not deaf!
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Old 01-02-2008, 11:51 PM
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Neo – Conned! - ??? - :-o :-o :-o

Neo-Conned - by Ron Paul

Honorable Ron Paul Of Texas - In The House Of Representatives - July 10, 2003

Neo – Conned!

The modern-day limited-government movement has been co-opted. The conservatives have failed in their effort to shrink the size of government. There has not been, nor will there soon be, a conservative revolution in Washington. Party control of the federal government has changed, but the inexorable growth in the size and scope of government has continued unabated. The liberal arguments for limited government in personal affairs and foreign military adventurism were never seriously considered as part of this revolution.

Since the change of the political party in charge has not made a difference, who’s really in charge? If the particular party in power makes little difference, whose policy is it that permits expanded government programs, increased spending, huge deficits, nation building and the pervasive invasion of our privacy, with fewer Fourth Amendment protections than ever before?

Someone is responsible, and it’s important that those of us who love liberty, and resent big-brother government, identify the philosophic supporters who have the most to say about the direction our country is going. If they’re wrong—and I believe they are—we need to show it, alert the American people, and offer a more positive approach to government. However, this depends on whether the American people desire to live in a free society and reject the dangerous notion that we need a strong central government to take care of us from the cradle to the grave. Do the American people really believe it’s the government’s responsibility to make us morally better and economically equal? Do we have a responsibility to police the world, while imposing our vision of good government on everyone else in the world with some form of utopian nation building? If not, and the contemporary enemies of liberty are exposed and rejected, then it behooves us to present an alternative philosophy that is morally superior and economically sound and provides a guide to world affairs to enhance peace and commerce.

One thing is certain: conservatives who worked and voted for less government in the Reagan years and welcomed the takeover of the U.S. Congress and the presidency in the 1990s and early 2000s were deceived. Soon they will realize that the goal of limited government has been dashed and that their views no longer matter.

The so-called conservative revolution of the past two decades has given us massive growth in government size, spending and regulations. Deficits are exploding and the national debt is now rising at greater than a half-trillion dollars per year. Taxes do not go down—even if we vote to lower them. They can’t, as long as spending is increased, since all spending must be paid for one way or another. Both Presidents Reagan and the elder George Bush raised taxes directly. With this administration, so far, direct taxes have been reduced—and they certainly should have been—but it means little if spending increases and deficits rise.

When taxes are not raised to accommodate higher spending, the bills must be paid by either borrowing or “printing” new money. This is one reason why we conveniently have a generous Federal Reserve chairman who is willing to accommodate the Congress. With borrowing and inflating, the “tax” is delayed and distributed in a way that makes it difficult for those paying the tax to identify it. Like future generations and those on fixed incomes who suffer from rising prices, and those who lose jobs they certainly feel the consequences of economic dislocation that this process causes. Government spending is always a “tax” burden on the American people and is never equally or fairly distributed. The poor and low-middle income workers always suffer the most from the deceitful tax of inflation and borrowing.

Many present-day conservatives, who generally argue for less government and supported the Reagan/Gingrich/Bush takeover of the federal government, are now justifiably disillusioned. Although not a monolithic group, they wanted to shrink the size of government.

Early in our history, the advocates of limited, constitutional government recognized two important principles: the rule of law was crucial, and a constitutional government must derive “just powers from the consent of the governed.” It was understood that an explicit transfer of power to government could only occur with power rightfully and naturally endowed to each individual as a God-given right. Therefore, the powers that could be transferred would be limited to the purpose of protecting liberty. Unfortunately, in the last 100 years, the defense of liberty has been fragmented and shared by various groups, with some protecting civil liberties, others economic freedom, and a small diverse group arguing for a foreign policy of nonintervention.

The philosophy of freedom has had a tough go of it, and it was hoped that the renewed interest in limited government of the past two decades would revive an interest in reconstituting the freedom philosophy into something more consistent. Those who worked for the goal of limited government power believed the rhetoric of politicians who promised smaller government. Sometimes it was just plain sloppy thinking on their part, but at other times, they fell victim to a deliberate distortion of a concise limited-government philosophy by politicians who misled many into believing that we would see a rollback on government intrusiveness.

Yes, there was always a remnant who longed for truly limited government and maintained a belief in the rule of law, combined with a deep conviction that free people and a government bound by a Constitution were the most advantageous form of government. They recognized it as the only practical way for prosperity to be spread to the maximum number of people while promoting peace and security.

That remnant—imperfect as it may have been—was heard from in the elections of 1980 and 1994 and then achieved major victories in 2000 and 2002 when professed limited-government proponents took over the White House, the Senate and the House. However, the true believers in limited government are now shunned and laughed at. At the very least, they are ignored—except when they are used by the new leaders of the right, the new conservatives now in charge of the U.S. government.

The remnant’s instincts were correct, and the politicians placated them with talk of free markets, limited government, and a humble, non-nation-building foreign policy. However, little concern for civil liberties was expressed in this recent quest for less government. Yet, for an ultimate victory of achieving freedom, this must change. Interest in personal privacy and choices has generally remained outside the concern of many conservatives—especially with the great harm done by their support of the drug war. Even though some confusion has emerged over our foreign policy since the breakdown of the Soviet empire, it’s been a net benefit in getting some conservatives back on track with a less militaristic, interventionist foreign policy. Unfortunately, after 9-ll, the cause of liberty suffered a setback. As a result, millions of Americans voted for the less-than-perfect conservative revolution because they believed in the promises of the politicians.

Now there’s mounting evidence to indicate exactly what happened to the revolution. Government is bigger than ever, and future commitments are overwhelming. Millions will soon become disenchanted with the new status quo delivered to the American people by the advocates of limited government and will find it to be just more of the old status quo. Victories for limited government have turned out to be hollow indeed.

Since the national debt is increasing at a rate greater than a half-trillion dollars per year, the debt limit was recently increased by an astounding $984 billion dollars. Total U.S. government obligations are $43 trillion, while the total net worth of U.S. households is about $40.6 trillion. The country is broke, but no one in Washington seems to notice or care. The philosophic and political commitment for both guns and butter—and especially the expanding American empire—must be challenged. This is crucial for our survival.

In spite of the floundering economy, Congress and the Administration continue to take on new commitments in foreign aid, education, farming, medicine, multiple efforts at nation building, and preemptive wars around the world. Already we’re entrenched in Iraq and Afghanistan, with plans to soon add new trophies to our conquest. War talk abounds as to when Syria, Iran and North Korea will be attacked.

How did all this transpire? Why did the government do it? Why haven’t the people objected? How long will it go on before something is done? Does anyone care?

Will the euphoria of grand military victories—against non-enemies—ever be mellowed? Someday, we as a legislative body must face the reality of the dire situation in which we have allowed ourselves to become enmeshed. Hopefully, it will be soon!

We got here because ideas do have consequences. Bad ideas have bad consequences, and even the best of intentions have unintended consequences. We need to know exactly what the philosophic ideas were that drove us to this point; then, hopefully, reject them and decide on another set of intellectual parameters.

There is abundant evidence exposing those who drive our foreign policy justifying preemptive war. Those who scheme are proud of the achievements in usurping control over foreign policy. These are the neoconservatives of recent fame. Granted, they are talented and achieved a political victory that all policymakers must admire. But can freedom and the republic survive this takeover? That question should concern us.

neoconservatives are obviously in positions of influence and are well-placed throughout our government and the media. An apathetic Congress put up little resistance and abdicated its responsibilities over foreign affairs. The electorate was easily influenced to join in the patriotic fervor supporting the military adventurism advocated by the neoconservatives.

The numbers of those who still hope for truly limited government diminished and had their concerns ignored these past 22 months, during the aftermath of 9-11. Members of Congress were easily influenced to publicly support any domestic policy or foreign military adventure that was supposed to help reduce the threat of a terrorist attack. Believers in limited government were harder to find. Political money, as usual, played a role in pressing Congress into supporting almost any proposal suggested by the neocons. This process—where campaign dollars and lobbying efforts affect policy—is hardly the domain of any single political party, and unfortunately, is the way of life in Washington.

There are many reasons why government continues to grow. It would be naïve for anyone to expect otherwise. Since 9-11, protection of privacy, whether medical, personal or financial, has vanished. Free speech and the Fourth Amendment have been under constant attack. Higher welfare expenditures are endorsed by the leadership of both parties. Policing the world and nation-building issues are popular campaign targets, yet they are now standard operating procedures. There’s no sign that these programs will be slowed or reversed until either we are stopped by force overseas (which won’t be soon) or we go broke and can no longer afford these grandiose plans for a world empire (which will probably come sooner than later.)

None of this happened by accident or coincidence. Precise philosophic ideas prompted certain individuals to gain influence to implement these plans. The neoconservatives—a name they gave themselves—diligently worked their way into positions of power and influence. They documented their goals, strategy and moral justification for all they hoped to accomplish. Above all else, they were not and are not conservatives dedicated to limited, constitutional government.

Neo-conservatism has been around for decades and, strangely, has connections to past generations as far back as Machiavelli. Modern-day neo-conservatism was introduced to us in the 1960s. It entails both a detailed strategy as well as a philosophy of government. The ideas of Teddy Roosevelt, and certainly Woodrow Wilson, were quite similar to many of the views of present-day neocons. Neocon spokesman Max Boot brags that what he advocates is “hard Wilsonianism.” In many ways, there’s nothing “neo” about their views, and certainly nothing conservative. Yet they have been able to co-opt the conservative movement by advertising themselves as a new or modern form of conservatism.

More recently, the modern-day neocons have come from the far left, a group historically identified as former Trotskyites . Liberal, Christopher Hitchens, has recently officially joined the neocons, and it has been reported that he has already been to the White House as an ad hoc consultant. Many neocons now in positions of influence in Washington can trace their status back to Professor Leo Strauss of the University of Chicago. One of Strauss ’ books was Thoughts on Machiavelli. This book was not a condemnation of Machiavelli’s philosophy. Paul Wolfowitz actually got his PhD under Strauss . Others closely associated with these views are Richard Perle, Eliot Abrams, Robert Kagan, and William Kristol. All are key players in designing our new strategy of preemptive war. Others include: Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute; former CIA Director James Woolsey; Bill Bennett of Book of Virtues fame; Frank Gaffney; Dick Cheney; and Donald Rumsfeld. There are just too many to mention who are philosophically or politically connected to the neocon philosophy in some varying degree.

The godfather of modern-day neo-conservatism is considered to be Irving Kristol, father of Bill Kristol, who set the stage in 1983 with his publication Reflections of a Neoconservative. In this book, Kristol also defends the traditional liberal position on welfare.

More important than the names of people affiliated with neo-conservatism are the views they adhere to. Here is a brief summary of the general understanding of what neocons believe:

They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.

They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.

They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.

They accept the notion that the ends justify the means—that hardball politics is a moral necessity.

They express no opposition to the welfare state.

They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.

They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.

They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.

They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.

They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill advised.

They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.

They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.

Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.

9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.

They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)

They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.

They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

Various organizations and publications over the last 30 years have played a significant role in the rise to power of the neoconservatives. It took plenty of money and commitment to produce the intellectual arguments needed to convince the many participants in the movement of its respectability.

It is no secret—especially after the rash of research and articles written about the neocons since our invasion of Iraq—how they gained influence and what organizations were used to promote their cause. Although for decades, they agitated for their beliefs through publications like The National Review, The Weekly Standard, The Public Interest, The Wall Street Journal, Commentary, and the New York Post, their views only gained momentum in the 1990s following the first Persian Gulf War—which still has not ended even with removal of Saddam Hussein. They became convinced that a much more militant approach to resolving all the conflicts in the Middle East was an absolute necessity, and they were determined to implement that policy.

In addition to publications, multiple think tanks and projects were created to promote their agenda. A product of the Bradley Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) led the neocon charge, but the real push for war came from the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) another organization helped by the Bradley Foundation. This occurred in 1998 and was chaired by Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol. They urged early on for war against Iraq, but were disappointed with the Clinton administration, which never followed through with its periodic bombings. Obviously, these bombings were motivated more by Clinton’s personal and political problems than a belief in the neocon agenda.

The election of 2000 changed all that. The Defense Policy Board, chaired by Richard Perle, played no small role in coordinating the various projects and think tanks, all determined to take us into war against Iraq. It wasn’t too long before the dream of empire was brought closer to reality by the election of 2000 with Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld playing key roles in this accomplishment. The plan to promote an “American greatness” imperialistic foreign policy was now a distinct possibility. Iraq offered a great opportunity to prove their long-held theories. This opportunity was a consequence of the 9-11 disaster.

The money and views of Rupert Murdoch also played a key role in promoting the neocon views, as well as rallying support by the general population, through his News Corporation, which owns Fox News Network, the New York Post, and Weekly Standard. This powerful and influential media empire did more to galvanize public support for the Iraqi invasion than one might imagine. This facilitated the Rumsfeld/Cheney policy as their plans to attack Iraq came to fruition. It would have been difficult for the neocons to usurp foreign policy from the restraints of Colin Powell’s State Department without the successful agitation of the Rupert Murdoch empire. Max Boot was satisfied, as he explained: “Neoconservatives believe in using American might to promote American ideals abroad.” This attitude is a far cry from the advice of the Founders, who advocated no entangling alliances and neutrality as the proper goal of American foreign policy.

Let there be no doubt, those in the neocon camp had been anxious to go to war against Iraq for a decade. They justified the use of force to accomplish their goals, even if it required preemptive war. If anyone doubts this assertion, they need only to read of their strategy in “A Clean Break: a New Strategy for Securing the Realm.” Although they felt morally justified in changing the government in Iraq, they knew that public support was important, and justification had to be given to pursue the war. Of course, a threat to us had to exist before the people and the Congress would go along with war. The majority of Americans became convinced of this threat, which, in actuality, never really existed. Now we have the ongoing debate over the location of weapons of mass destruction. Where was the danger? Was all this killing and spending necessary? How long will this nation building and dying go on? When will we become more concerned about the needs of our own citizens than the problems we sought in Iraq and Afghanistan? Who knows where we’ll go next—Iran, Syria or North Korea?

At the end of the Cold War, the neoconservatives realized a rearrangement of the world was occurring and that our superior economic and military power offered them a perfect opportunity to control the process of remaking the Middle East.

It was recognized that a new era was upon us, and the neocons welcomed Frances Fukuyama’s “end of history” declaration. To them, the debate was over. The West won; the Soviets lost. Old-fashioned communism was dead. Long live the new era of neoconservatism. The struggle may not be over, but the West won the intellectual fight, they reasoned. The only problem is that the neocons decided to define the philosophy of the victors. They have been amazingly successful in their efforts to control the debate over what Western values are and by what methods they will be spread throughout the world.

Communism surely lost a lot with the breakup of the Soviet Empire, but this can hardly be declared a victory for American liberty, as the Founders understood it. Neoconservatism is not the philosophy of free markets and a wise foreign policy. Instead, it represents big-government welfare at home and a program of using our military might to spread their version of American values throughout the world. Since neoconservatives dominate the way the U.S. government now operates, it behooves us all to understand their beliefs and goals. The breakup of the Soviet system may well have been an epic event but to say that the views of the neocons are the unchallenged victors and that all we need do is wait for their implementation is a capitulation to controlling the forces of history that many Americans are not yet ready to concede. There is surely no need to do so.

There is now a recognized philosophic connection between modern-day neoconservatives and Irving Kristol, Leo Strauss , and Machiavelli. This is important in understanding that today’s policies and the subsequent problems will be with us for years to come if these policies are not reversed.

Not only did Leo Strauss write favorably of Machiavelli, Michael Ledeen, a current leader of the neoconservative movement, did the same in 1999 in his book with the title, Machiavelli on Modern Leadership, and subtitled: Why Machiavelli’s iron rules are as timely and important today as five centuries ago. Ledeen is indeed an influential neocon theorist whose views get lots of attention today in Washington. His book on Machiavelli, interestingly enough, was passed out to Members of Congress attending a political strategy meeting shortly after its publication and at just about the time A Clean Break was issued.

In Ledeen’s most recent publication, The War Against the Terror Masters, he reiterates his beliefs outlined in this 1999 Machaivelli book. He specifically praises: “Creative destruction…both within our own society and abroad…(foreigners) seeing America undo traditional societies may fear us, for they do not wish to be undone.” Amazingly, Ledeen concludes: “They must attack us in order to survive, just as we must destroy them to advance our historic mission.”

If those words don’t scare you, nothing will. If they are not a clear warning, I don’t know what could be. It sounds like both sides of each disagreement in the world will be following the principle of preemptive war. The world is certainly a less safe place for it.

In Machiavelli on Modern Leadership, Ledeen praises a business leader for correctly understanding Machiavelli: “There are no absolute solutions. It all depends. What is right and what is wrong depends on what needs to be done and how.” This is a clear endorsement of situational ethics and is not coming from the traditional left. It reminds me of: “It depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is.”

Ledeen quotes Machiavelli approvingly on what makes a great leader. “A prince must have no other objectives or other thoughts or take anything for his craft, except war.” To Ledeen, this meant: “…the virtue of the warrior are those of great leaders of any successful organization.” Yet it’s obvious that war is not coincidental to neocon philosophy, but an integral part. The intellectuals justify it, and the politicians carry it out. There’s a precise reason to argue for war over peace according to Ledeen, for “…peace increases our peril by making discipline less urgent, encouraging some of our worst instincts, in depriving us of some of our best leaders.” Peace, he claims, is a dream and not even a pleasant one, for it would cause indolence and would undermine the power of the state. Although I concede the history of the world is a history of frequent war, to capitulate and give up even striving for peace—believing peace is not a benefit to mankind—is a frightening thought that condemns the world to perpetual war and justifies it as a benefit and necessity. These are dangerous ideas, from which no good can come.

The conflict of the ages has been between the state and the individual: central power versus liberty. The more restrained the state and the more emphasis on individual liberty, the greater has been the advancement of civilization and general prosperity. Just as man’s condition was not locked in place by the times and wars of old and improved with liberty and free markets, there’s no reason to believe a new stage for man might not be achieved by believing and working for conditions of peace. The inevitability and so-called need for preemptive war should never be intellectually justified as being a benefit. Such an attitude guarantees the backsliding of civilization. Neocons, unfortunately, claim that war is in man’s nature and that we can’t do much about it, so let’s use it to our advantage by promoting our goodness around the world through force of arms. That view is anathema to the cause of liberty and the preservation of the Constitution. If it is not loudly refuted, our future will be dire indeed.

Ledeen believes man is basically evil and cannot be left to his own desires. Therefore, he must have proper and strong leadership, just as Machiavelli argued. Only then can man achieve good, as Ledeen explains: “In order to achieve the most noble accomplishments, the leader may have to ‘enter into evil.’ This is the chilling insight that has made Machiavelli so feared, admired and challenging…we are rotten,” argues Ledeen. “It’s true that we can achieve greatness if, and only if, we are properly led.” In other words, man is so depraved that individuals are incapable of moral, ethical and spiritual greatness, and achieving excellence and virtue can only come from a powerful authoritarian leader. What depraved ideas are these to now be influencing our leaders in Washington? The question Ledeen doesn’t answer is: “Why do the political leaders not suffer from the same shortcomings and where do they obtain their monopoly on wisdom?”

Once this trust is placed in the hands of a powerful leader, this neocon argues that certain tools are permissible to use. For instance: “Lying is central to the survival of nations and to the success of great enterprises, because if our enemies can count on the reliability of everything you say, your vulnerability is enormously increased.” What about the effects of lying on one’s own people? Who cares if a leader can fool the enemy? Does calling it “strategic deception” make lying morally justifiable? Ledeen and Machiavelli argue that it does, as long as the survivability of the state is at stake. Preserving the state is their goal, even if the personal liberty of all individuals has to be suspended or canceled.

Ledeen makes it clear that war is necessary to establish national boundaries—because that’s the way it’s always been done. Who needs progress of the human race! He explains:

"Look at the map of the world: national boundaries have not been drawn by peaceful men leading lives of spiritual contemplation. National boundaries have been established by war, and national character has been shaped by struggle, most often bloody struggle."

Yes, but who is to lead the charge and decide which borders we are to fight for? What about borders 6,000 miles away unrelated to our own contiguous borders and our own national security? Stating a relative truism regarding the frequency of war throughout history should hardly be the moral justification for expanding the concept of war to settle man’s disputes. How can one call this progress?

Machiavelli, Ledeen and the neocons recognized a need to generate a religious zeal for promoting the state. This, he claims, is especially necessary when force is used to promote an agenda. It’s been true throughout history and remains true today, each side of major conflicts invokes God’s approval. Our side refers to a “crusade;” theirs to a “holy Jihad.” Too often wars boil down to their god against our God. It seems this principle is more a cynical effort to gain approval from the masses, especially those most likely to be killed for the sake of the war promoters on both sides who have power, prestige and wealth at stake.

Ledeen explains why God must always be on the side of advocates of war: “Without fear of God, no state can last long, for the dread of eternal damnation keeps men in line, causes them to honor their promises, and inspires them to risk their lives for the common good.” It seems dying for the common good has gained a higher moral status than eternal salvation of one’s soul. Ledeen adds:

"Without fear of punishment, men will not obey laws that force them to act contrary to their passions. Without fear of arms, the state cannot enforce the laws…to this end, Machiavelli wants leaders to make the state spectacular."

It’s of interest to note that some large Christian denominations have joined the neoconservatives in promoting preemptive war, while completely ignoring the Christian doctrine of a Just War. The neocons sought and openly welcomed their support.

I’d like someone to glean anything from what the Founders said or placed in the Constitution that agrees with this now-professed doctrine of a “spectacular” state promoted by those who now have so much influence on our policies here at home and abroad. Ledeen argues that this religious element, this fear of God, is needed for discipline of those who may be hesitant to sacrifice their lives for the good of the “spectacular state.”

He explains in eerie terms: “Dying for one’s country doesn’t come naturally. Modern armies, raised from the populace, must be inspired, motivated, indoctrinated. Religion is central to the military enterprise, for men are more likely to risk their lives if they believe they will be rewarded forever after for serving their country.” This is an admonition that might just as well have been given by Osama bin Laden, in rallying his troops to sacrifice their lives to kill the invading infidels, as by our intellectuals at the AEI, who greatly influence our foreign policy.

Neocons—anxious for the U.S. to use force to realign the boundaries and change regimes in the Middle East—clearly understand the benefit of a galvanizing and emotional event to rally the people to their cause. Without a special event, they realized the difficulty in selling their policy of preemptive war where our own military personnel would be killed. Whether it was the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, the Gulf of Tonkin, or the Maine, all served their purpose in promoting a war that was sought by our leaders.

Ledeen writes of a fortuitous event (1999):

…of course, we can always get lucky. Stunning events from outside can providentially awaken the enterprise from its growing torpor, and demonstrate the need for reversal, as the devastating Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 so effectively aroused the U.S. from its soothing dreams of permanent neutrality.

Amazingly, Ledeen calls Pearl Harbor a “lucky” event. The Project for a New American Century, as recently as September 2000, likewise, foresaw the need for “a Pearl Harbor event” that would galvanize the American people to support their ambitious plans to ensure political and economic domination of the world, while strangling any potential “rival.”

Recognizing a “need” for a Pearl Harbor event, and referring to Pearl Harbor as being “lucky” are not identical to support and knowledge of such an event, but this sympathy for a galvanizing event, as 9-11 turned out to be, was used to promote an agenda that strict constitutionalists and devotees of the Founders of this nation find appalling is indeed disturbing. After 9-11, Rumsfeld and others argued for an immediate attack on Iraq, even though it was not implicated in the attacks.

The fact that neo-conservatives ridicule those who firmly believe that U.S. interests and world peace would best be served by a policy of neutrality and avoiding foreign entanglements should not go unchallenged. Not to do so is to condone their grandiose plans for American world hegemony.

The current attention given neocons is usually done in the context of foreign policy. But there’s more to what’s going on today than just the tremendous influence the neocons have on our new policy of preemptive war with a goal of empire. Our government is now being moved by several ideas that come together in what I call “neoconism.” The foreign policy is being openly debated, even if its implications are not fully understood by many who support it. Washington is now driven by old views brought together in a new package.

We know those who lead us—both in the administration and in Congress—show no appetite to challenge the tax or monetary systems that do so much damage to our economy. The IRS and the Federal Reserve are off limits for criticism or reform. There’s no resistance to spending, either domestic or foreign. Debt is not seen as a problem. The supply-siders won on this issue, and now many conservatives readily endorse deficit spending.

There’s no serious opposition to the expanding welfare state, with rapid growth of the education, agriculture and medical-care bureaucracy. Support for labor unions and protectionism are not uncommon. Civil liberties are easily sacrificed in the post 9-11 atmosphere prevailing in Washington. Privacy issues are of little concern, except for a few members of Congress. Foreign aid and internationalism—in spite of some healthy criticism of the UN and growing concerns for our national sovereignty—are championed on both sides of the aisle. Lip service is given to the free market and free trade, yet the entire economy is run by special-interest legislation favoring big business, big labor and, especially, big money.

Instead of the “end of history,” we are now experiencing the end of a vocal limited-government movement in our nation’s capital. While most conservatives no longer defend balanced budgets and reduced spending, most liberals have grown lazy in defending civil liberties and now are approving wars that we initiate. The so-called “third way” has arrived and, sadly, it has taken the worst of what the conservatives and liberals have to offer. The people are less well off for it, while liberty languishes as a result.

Neocons enthusiastically embrace the Department of Education and national testing. Both parties overwhelmingly support the huge commitment to a new prescription drug program. Their devotion to the new approach called “compassionate conservatism” has lured many conservatives into supporting programs for expanding the federal role in welfare and in church charities. The faith-based initiative is a neocon project, yet it only repackages and expands the liberal notion of welfare. The intellectuals who promoted these initiatives were neocons, but there’s nothing conservative about expanding the federal government’s role in welfare.

The supply-siders’ policy of low-marginal tax rates has been incorporated into neoconism, as well as their support for easy money and generous monetary inflation. Neoconservatives are disinterested in the gold standard and even ignore the supply-siders’ argument for a phony gold standard.

Is it any wonder that federal government spending is growing at a rate faster than in any time in the past 35 years?

Power, politics and privilege prevail over the rule of law, liberty, justice and peace. But it does not need to be that way. Neoconism has brought together many old ideas about how government should rule the people. It may have modernized its appeal and packaging, but authoritarian rule is authoritarian rule, regardless of the humanitarian overtones. A solution can only come after the current ideology driving our government policies is replaced with a more positive one. In a historical context, liberty is a modern idea and must once again regain the high moral ground for civilization to advance. Restating the old justifications for war, people control and a benevolent state will not suffice. It cannot eliminate the shortcomings that always occur when the state assumes authority over others and when the will of one nation is forced on another—whether or not it is done with good intentions.

I realize that all conservatives are not neoconservatives, and all neocons don’t necessarily agree on all points—which means that in spite of their tremendous influence, most Members of Congress and those in the administration do not necessarily take their marching orders from the AEI or Richard Perle. But to use this as a reason to ignore what neoconservative leaders believe, write about it and agitate for—with amazing success I might point out—would be at our own peril. This country still allows open discourse—though less everyday—and we who disagree should push the discussion and expose those who drive our policies. It is getting more difficult to get fair and balanced discussion on the issues, because it has become routine for the hegemons to label those who object to preemptive war and domestic surveillance as traitors, unpatriotic and un-American. The uniformity of support for our current foreign policy by major and cable-news networks should concern every American. We should all be thankful for CSPAN and the internet.

Michael Ledeen and other neoconservatives are already lobbying for war against Iran. Ledeen is pretty nasty to those who call for a calmer, reasoned approach by calling those who are not ready for war “cowards and appeasers of tyrants.” Because some urge a less militaristic approach to dealing with Iran, he claims they are betraying America’s best “traditions.” I wonder where he learned early American history! It’s obvious that Ledeen doesn’t consider the Founders and the Constitution part of our best traditions. We were hardly encouraged by the American revolutionaries to pursue an American empire. We were, however, urged to keep the Republic they so painstakingly designed.

If the neoconservatives retain control of the conservative, limited-government movement in Washington, the ideas, once championed by conservatives, of limiting the size and scope of government will be a long-forgotten dream.

The believers in liberty ought not deceive themselves. Who should be satisfied? Certainly not conservatives, for there is no conservative movement left. How could liberals be satisfied? They are pleased with the centralization of education and medical programs in Washington and support many of the administration’s proposals. But none should be pleased with the steady attack on the civil liberties of all American citizens and the now-accepted consensus that preemptive war—for almost any reason—is an acceptable policy for dealing with all the conflicts and problems of the world.

In spite of the deteriorating conditions in Washington—with loss of personal liberty, a weak economy, exploding deficits, and perpetual war, followed by nation building—there are still quite a number of us who would relish the opportunity to improve things, in one way or another. Certainly, a growing number of frustrated Americans, from both the right and the left, are getting anxious to see this Congress do a better job. But first, Congress must stop doing a bad job.

We’re at the point where we need a call to arms, both here in Washington and across the country. I’m not talking about firearms. Those of us who care need to raise both arms and face our palms out and begin waving and shouting: Stop! Enough is enough! It should include liberals, conservatives and independents. We’re all getting a bum rap from politicians who are pushed by polls and controlled by special-interest money.

One thing is certain, no matter how morally justified the programs and policies seem, the ability to finance all the guns and butter being promised is limited, and those limits are becoming more apparent every day.

Spending, borrowing and printing money cannot be the road to prosperity. It hasn’t worked in Japan, and it isn’t working here either. As a matter of fact, it’s never worked anytime throughout history. A point is always reached where government planning, spending and inflation run out of steam. Instead of these old tools reviving an economy, as they do in the early stages of economic interventionism, they eventually become the problem. Both sides of the political spectrum must one day realize that limitless government intrusion in the economy, in our personal lives and in the affairs of other nations cannot serve the best interests of America. This is not a conservative problem, nor is it a liberal problem—it’s a government intrusion problem that comes from both groups, albeit for different reasons. The problems emanate from both camps that champion different programs for different reasons. The solution will come when both groups realize that it’s not merely a single-party problem, or just a liberal or just a conservative problem.

Once enough of us decide we’ve had enough of all these so-called good things that the government is always promising—or more likely, when the country is broke and the government is unable to fulfill its promises to the people—we can start a serious discussion on the proper role for government in a free society. Unfortunately, it will be some time before Congress gets the message that the people are demanding true reform. This requires that those responsible for today’s problems are exposed and their philosophy of pervasive government intrusion is rejected.

Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy. A few have, and others will continue to do so, but too many—both in and out of government—close their eyes to the issue of personal liberty and ignore the fact that endless borrowing to finance endless demands cannot be sustained. True prosperity can only come from a healthy economy and sound money. That can only be achieved in a free society.


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L.A. Times columnist, Joel Stein. Let's take a close look at what he calls, "The Ron Paul Revolution", in this week's Time Magazine.

Well, Joel. Thanks for coming on. I'm impressed that you dared to enter the Ron Paul world. Good for you. What is this about? Who are his fans?

Oh man... they are... crazy!!! I... they are not just on the Internet. They show up to see h'm speak. Like I saw maybe...I don't know... Seven hundred (700) people show up for 300 hundred seats out in Iowa. It's amazing!

What, What, Why? Ok, let me just, just for those who haven't read. Let me read one of the opening lines of this piece, this week. Ah,... ah, that you wrote about Ron Paul.

Give, give it, give it your all, though!

Ah, I, ...I will.


(Screaming) Ron Paul goes to a college & delivers this same speech he's given for 30 years for his political career. The one spousing Austrian school of economics. Only now the audience is packed w/ hundreds of kids & Ron Paul t-shirts, & go nuts. They give standing ovations when he drones on about getting rid of the Federal Reserve & returning to (laughing) the Gold Standard.

Now what is that? Are they really there because they want to return to the Gold Standard?

You know... I couldn't figure it out 'cause he would about like ah, "legalizing drugs", or "ending the drug war", & then he would talk about "ending the war in Iraq",... again, they would applaud, but "they went crazy" for the "fiscal" stuff.

I think it's the ah... the only thing I can get out of talking to people was that they see that there is something "corrupt going on" w/ the "military industrial complex", whether it's Black-Water or Haliburton. And he seems to be like the "radical" one to "change it".

So it's not, it's not just about the war. They are not just "liberals" who are "mad about the war" & he's got the most "radical" position. ...in the Republican Party. It's,... they like the idea about a "small government"? You think?

I think they like just like that he seems like the guy from "network". Who's going to yell & tell Washington to screw itself. I think,... (surprised) he is just a "radical". ...This year.

How does he,... how does he seem about that? I mean, you say it's kind of bewildering for him to all of the sudden be popular, after decades of relative obscurity. Does he seem comfortable w/ it?

(exited)Yeah! ...he seems confused, he s..., I think he believes that after 30 years,... it just took a long time for people to hear h'm. And they are finally paying attention. So, I think that he feels really vindicated.

He is also like this little nerdy guy, who is confused. I mean,... he is used to speaking to small groups of people about obscure subjects. ...So it's pretty freaky, I think.

Is he a good,... & I say this as someone, who I voted for last time in '88, & I like Ron Paul a lot. But I,... I never thought if he is a good speaker. Has he gotten better?

No... He's horrible. He's like the professor who you know, you know he's smart. His book was supposedly really good. But you know, they are not going to stay up the whole class. But ah... he does it. He is like... There is something charming about h'm. He's an older,... cute little guy.

What?... Describe the average Ron Paul fan. Are they like the dean followers?

No... no. They are definitely nerdier than the dean followers. I heard the dean followers, 4 years ago in New Hampshire, they are a good looking group. They are like little Kennedy kind of, you know, JFK kind of followers. These people are, ah, ...are pretty nerdy & hard core. Like I saw a guy standing in Iowa outside of the speech w/ like a tri-cornered hat, ringing a bell, w/ a full revolutionary suit. Ahm... there is a lot of a... obviously there is a lot of 911 truther's? Like to the far left who like him. There is a lot of anarchists. Like November 5th ..(guy-fox???) day, as his big fund raising day, that his followers have created. So, ah,... there are a lot of freaks out there.

Wow. Ho.. (laughing)

Including you apparently (obviously referring about the "freaks") right?

(laughing) That's ah,... so (guy-fox???) day. Boy you caught me of guard w/ that one. That's farther out even than I realized. Joel Stein, cataloging... The far reaches of the campaign trail. Thanks very much.

Thank you.


These 2 idiots were definitely hand picked for the job, with nothing intelligent to say, & no intelligent angles. Nothing about Freedom, or the "loss" of our Freedoms for that matter. Forget about the Patriot Act, Posse Comitatus, or even Habeas Corpus. If they consider Ron Paul to be a “horrible speaker”, then what would their opinion be of George Bush Jr.? Oops... sorry. I forgot, they are not allowed to critique the select president, & be labeled "evil-lovers". Otherwise, they would loose their highly paid jobs, that provide absolutely nothing for the betterment of society. Empty, garbage-filled propaganda.
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Our "Goal" is to collect a "minimum" of 100,000 "Personal Campaign Contributions" of $100 Dollars (USD) each, and thus raise a "minimum" of $10,000,000 Million Dollars (USD) from individuals from all walks of life, and to bring Ron Paul's Campaign up to the "Next Level". Ron Paul has demonstrated to have the wits, the knowledge, the enthusiasm, the energy, the love, and Wisdom needed to bring America back. Ron Paul's platform is that of the Constitution of the U.S.A. and its original intent of true Freedom, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, which belongs to every man, woman, and child. This includes the protection of their Freedom and their Unalienable Rights. Rights, which as per our Constitution, can not be removed by any government under any circumstance. In a world were a monopoly of prosperity, an unfair distribution of wealth, more greed, the lust of power, despotism, and just plain disregard for both humanity and our planet have been established by a secret and occult elite, Ron Paul is our only "Hope" for a true "America". Let's make America beautiful again. Let's together bring Ron Paul to power.

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We Can't Have Freedom Without Truth
We can't have Freedom w/o Truth . We can't have Freedom w/o being able to "speak" that Truth & w/ the repression to do so by an oppressive government. We can't have Freedom w/o the " Checks & Balances" of the different branches of government. We can't have Freedom in a Republic where the President has a " secret & personal" agenda. We can't have Freedom if " The People" are not being “faithfully & fairly” represented. If our government relies on “falseevents, & “falsesequence of events, “falsewitnesses, “falseevidence, “falsepretences, "false & fabricated" enemies, & ultimately, “falsehistory, we can not be a "Free" people. We can't have Freedom w/o the protection to "unreasonable searches & seizure" & w/o the ability to be able to legally "defend" ourselves from "any charges". We can not be Free w/o "Habeas Corpus". Without these basic rights, w/o these basic legal protections, anyone can be stripped from their Freedom, at any time, plain & simple. If a “dubiousenemy that is detained under “dubiousevidence, & held w/o charge can be "tortured", then "anyone" can be "tortured". When a “governant” can, at the "will" of his "thought" alone, deem anyone an "enemy" w/o these "basic rights", w/o any kind of "legal protections", & w/o any oversight, then that person ("enemy" or "not"), seizes to be a "Free" people. When anyone is treated "inhumanely", then that makes those who provided that treatment, "inhumane". You can't have it both ways. You can not pretend to be a "humane" society, & act "inhumanely". A “governant” that acts w/o any oversight from Congress or "The People" becomes a "Tyrant", becomes, a "Dictator". What makes a "Dictator" more effective than a "legal" Congress w/ an oversight? Absolutely, nothing. To the contrary. That "Tyrant" can run "mad" & do "illegal" things, bend, distort, & transform the truth unrecognizable , or even make-the-truth (which becomes a " falsehood") in order to achieve his " secret & personal" agenda. With a "Tyrant", w/ a "Dictator" a Republic we are no longer .

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." – Abraham Lincoln

"That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom , and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." – Abraham Lincoln

"To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men." – Abraham Lincoln

"If by the mere force of numbers a majority should deprive a minority of any clearly written constitutional right, it might, in a moral point of view, justify revolution." – Abraham Lincoln

"If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem . It is true that you may fool all the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can’t fool all of the people all the time." - Abraham Lincoln

There is no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing good in war. Except its ending. - Albert Einstein

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"The American Republic is in remnant status. The stage is set for our country to devolve into a military dictatorship, and few seem to care." – Rep. Ron Paul

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"The American Republic is in remnant status. The stage is set for our country to devolve into a ”Military Dictatorship”, and few seem to care." – Rep. Ron Paul

<ol><li>Restore the Constitution.</li>
<li>Withdrawing US troops from Iraq.</li>
<li>Stop the ongoing slaughter of Iraqi civilians.</li>
<li>Restore the rule of law.</li>
<li>Repeal the Patriot Act.</li>
<li>Repeal the Military Commissions Act.</li>
<li>Reinstate Posse Comitatus.</li>
<li>Reinstate Due Process.</li>
<li>Reinstate Habeas Corpus.</li>
<li>Reinstate the "Presumption of Innocence".</li>
<li>Reinstate Civil Liberties.</li>
<li>Make sure all prisoners – whether Americans or foreign nationals – are treated w/in treaty obligations of the Geneva Convention, the Bill of Rights, and the basic tenets of human decency.</li>
<li>No more "torture".</li>
<li>Stop the government's "spying" on the American people.</li>
<li>Rebuild confidence in our currency, our markets, and our trade policies.</li>
<li>Revamp the IRS, the Federal Reserve, & Dept. of Education.</li></ol>
Good. Let the battle begin. As Thomas Jefferson said, "Every generation needs a new revolution."

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"We owe them. The least we can do is honor them by acting w/ the same resolve of fearless courage & devotion to Freedom, against all odds, & against any circumstance. For Spirit has always existed, & it always will..."

The “Spirit” of Freedom

It is because of brave men like Paul Revere, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, John Adams, Ron Paul & others like them, to which today we owe our "Freedom", or whatever glimpses of real Freedom we actually have. Because of their courage & not their fear is that we are here today being able to converse & write about these ideas. Their resolve to pursue & act amidst opposition & to continue until their vision of Freedom was achieved to the best of their abilities is the “Spirit of Freedom”. Spirit is a life force that comes from within & without this universe. This force can never be destroyed.

"Paul Revere is a hero because he risked his life for the colonists. He was a messenger transporting information between the colonies of Lexington and Concord. The members of these colonies were fighting against “Taxation Without Representation." Paul Revere made the famous Midnight Ride from Boston to Concord. He warned the colonists, “The British are coming.” Paul Revere was one of the few living witnesses to hear the first shots of the American Revolutionary War."

“During the Midnight Ride, Paul had to overcome being sought after and captured by the British soldiers. He may have seen the Boston Massacre on Monday, March 5, 1770, an infamous event in American history. Paul was brave enough to travel to England following the Boston Tea Party to deliver a message to King George III explaining the reasons for the Tea Party” FREEDOM HERO: PAUL REVERE – by Sam from New York
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For anyone to think that Ron Paul “hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of winning” is merely a shortcoming in their inability to realize the power of Spirit, & their inability to envision the “Spirit of Freedom” at work, which is as “alive” today as it was then in March 5th, 1770. Many times throughout history it has been demonstrated that this power is capable of performing & manifesting supernatural acts of Spirit – or miraculous events.

As for Paul Revere was not a self-centered coward because he was more concerned for others than for his own safety .”

If anyone does not understand, that is just because, to know Spirit, you have to be in touch w/ your Spirit.

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Ron Paul - Presidential Candidate 2008
We as a country face a lot of problems today, and I talk a lot about those problems, but the truth is that we have a campaign of hope. We do not despair, because if we do the right things, things will come out alright. It does not mean we don't have difficulties, but it just means that we have to be persistent and our message and our voices have to be heard (applause).

What I think has happened to us in our country is probably a hundred years ago or so, somehow or another, freedom got chopped to pieces. There were some who would defend personal liberty, others would defend economic liberty, and others would have their say about understand or understanding of a foreign policy, which was our traditional foreign policy "of minding our own business" (the crowd raves).

And today, today our goal has to be to bring it back together again. Personal liberty is economic liberty and "true" freedom and following the Constitution means that "we will be bringing our troops home" (the crowd goes on raving). - Ron Paul 2007

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Ron Paul Revolution - by Jarret Keene - Liberty Watch

The new face of the freedom movement is Texas Congressman Ron Paul. The credit mostly goes to the Internet for having brought this principled politician into the light. And Paul is perhaps the only individual for whom “principled politician” isn’t an oxymoron. Among nontraditional campaign contributors online, Paul is the Republican presidential frontrunner, having outpaced Sen. John McCain in fundraising. While the mainstream media continues to blackout Paul, he’s setting the Internet ablaze with a firm position against the Iraq War, against taxes and against big government. Ultimately, more and more people every day are saying yes to Dr. No. (Paul earned the nickname because he is a physician and for voting against any and all tax increases, and against any legislation that expands the federal government’s power as a House Representative.)

Locally, Paul’s impact is being felt. In just two short months, the Las Vegas Ron Paul Meetup Group has ballooned to more than 200 members. (Meetup.com is an online social networking website that facilitates offline group meetings in cities all over the world.) Vegas’ is now the eleventh largest Paul Meetup Group out of 553 nationwide, and is still growing. According to member Arden Osborne, the Vegas group is made up of people “all over the political spectrum, from anti-war Democrats to diehard Libertarians, from disillusioned Republicans to those with no experience involved in political action.” But for Arden, the journey from liberal to born-again freedom-lover began in 2004, when, curious about that year’s presidential election, he began to research George W. Bush on the Internet. What he learned disturbed him, greater than even Michael Moore’s infamous documentary hit job, Fahrenheit 9/11.

“The more I dug, the more I realized that this country is in serious trouble,” says Osborne. “Fact is. you can get more information from some of these websites and alternative media than from Ted Koppel or whomever.”

Osborne noticed Ron Paul’s name popping up in Libertarian websites like LewRockwell.com. Slowly but surely, Osborne’s liberal leanings started to shed and he began to fall in love with the original ideas that founded this country.

“Paul is the only politician I can get excited about at this point,” says Osborne. “He’s the first politician that I have found who has absolute integrity. He bases all his votes and decisions on the basic principles of our Constitution. If you don’t have fixed principles, things like money and power can sway you. That’s what makes Paul an attractive presidential candidate — his principles and integrity.”

Osborne joined the Vegas Paul Meetup Group last May and has never looked back. While the group isn’t officially part of the Paul campaign, Osborne wants to make it clear that he and other local Paul supporters aren’t just idly chatting on the Internet. One prong of the group’s effort is to put Paul’s name out there with visible posters, signs and articles in the print media. Second, the group plans to start knocking on doors.

“The ‘conversion’ rate is amazing,” says Osborne. “Once people learn that Paul voted against the war, against the Patriot Act, against government getting on our backs from the very beginning, people start to view him differently. I’m serious when I say that Paul is our last chance to get rid of the partisan junk. He doesn’t tow the party line. He’ll work both sides of the aisle, but only in accordance with the Constitution. He can bring the country back together and heal. He can reverse some of the self-destructive trends that have been set into motion. Anything else is just more of the same.”

The Las Vegas Ron Paul Meetup Group had an opportunity to meet with the 71-year-old Republican presidential candidate and hear him speak out against the federal government’s ongoing efforts — like a national ID card — to undermine the civil liberties of all Americans. According to an article in the Las Vegas Review-Journal, more than 350 young people comprised the bulk of this audience.

Liberty Watch, on the other hand, was in attendance at FreedomFest, which took place July 5-7 inside Bally’s on the Strip. For those who don’t know, FreedomFest is, at least according to the organization’s website, “an annual festival bringing together hundreds of the best and the brightest free minds from around the world to discuss and debate.” (See this month’s French Connection column for a more fair and balanced perspective.) Paul appeared at FreedomFest on that same Saturday, speaking to a larger, older crowd.

Liberty Watch learned a lot about Paul from our informal chats at his book signing and in the lobby of Bally’s. For instance, Paul gets along well with Democratic presidential candidate and Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich, which is surprising given the latter’s left-leaning views. (Though the mutual respect is perhaps due to the media’s labeling of both candidates as “dark horses” in their respective parties.) And when asked about his thoughts on the growing suspicion in the Internet community that 9/11 was an inside job, Paul revealed that, from what he has read, the event was more likely an “incompetence” job on the part of our national security leaders. But it was only during our more formal interview that Paul revealed what he really thinks about being the favorite candidate among Libertarians and (yikes!) liberals.

Young voters are finding out about you primarily, it seems, via the Internet and your well-received and much-discussed appearances on cable TV shows like “The Colbert Report” and “Real Time with Bill Maher.” How important is the Internet and these political satires to your campaign?

I think they are very crucial, and even though I made a little joke about how such appearances will help a Republican in a Republican primary, it really will be helpful. A lot of new people will come out and vote — that’s what I have found. It’s very, very good for a general audience. If you take the war issue, 70 percent of the people are against the war, and yet not 70 percent — maybe not even 50 percent — of voters would be against the war in the Republican primary. So in order for us to do well in the Republican primary, we have to get people to come over and join us and go into the Republican primary in order to make it practical. But if you just look at the issues and the ability to spread a message, this has been very significant, what the Internet is doing and getting on these shows. Our success is far beyond anything I had anticipated.

How much will the liberal crowd nurture or neuter your anti-war, anti-tax campaign before they start tearing you down — in the way that “mainstream” conservatives like Giuliani already have?

Right now, liberals are the most enthusiastic about my campaign. If I get a speech on the House floor on foreign policy, I’ll get many hundreds — sometimes thousands — of comments sent to my office. I would say 90 percent of them are from Democrats.

Do you worry that’s all machinations? To set you up for defeat later on by somebody more recognizable like Hilary Clinton?

No, I think they’re very sincere, because liberals are very, very frustrated with their own Democrats. Although they know I have shortcomings from their viewpoint — because I’m for free enterprise and free markets — they love my position on civil liberties and they love my position on war. They’re exasperated with their leadership, with Democratic leadership, because they’re not strong enough. Democrats go to their leadership and say, “Why don’t you work and talk like Ron Paul does?” So no, I think they’re very, very sincere. Now, whether or not they’re going to shift gears and come over to the party or not, that’s another thing. But certainly getting the message out and gaining support and introducing new people to these views has been growing by leaps and bounds.

We interviewed former House Speaker Newt Gingrich for the July issue of Liberty Watch: The Magazine. He had only positive things to say about you. In fact, in the last few months, we’ve spoken to many regional and national conservatives, and with the exception of Giuliani, they have nothing negative to say about you. The word “integrity” keeps coming up. Why is it so hard for a politician other than Ron Paul to have the word integrity attached to his or her name?

I don’t have an answer for that. [Laughs.] Maybe there’s a vacuum out there. People come up to me all the time and tell me, “You know, you are the best Congressman in all of Washington D.C.” I say, “It’s nice of you to say that, but considering the competition, it’s no big deal.” But you know, Washington is a mess. It’s been taken over by special interests, and it’s all a reflection of big government. Government is doing too much; it has too much to pass out, and therefore that’s how the system works. Even businesspeople, people who would like to get the government off their backs, have to play politics, because they have to go there and work the lobbying system to try to get relief. My message is much clearer: It’s not a little bit of mismanagement. It’s the whole program that’s wrong. The whole system is wrong. The war is wrong. The way we go to war is wrong. The policies are wrong. I make it much clearer, and I think it’s much easier to understand. I remember in a debate one Republican candidate was asked, “What programs are you going to get rid of?” And he hemmed and hawed and finally came up with one little program that nobody had ever heard of. Of course, my answer was rather clear. Instead of two or three programs, start with three departments — and let’s just get rid of them! So that’s easier to understand.

You currently serve as a role model for many young people interested entering politics so they can make the changes necessary to eliminate taxes and the corrupting influence of big government. Can you offer any good or practical advice to someone who is maybe mulling a decision to run for local office in his or her hometown or district?

The most important thing is to study hard, and understand that if you believe in freedom and limited government, then learn the issues and know how to explain them. Learn the monetary issues and the economic issues. If you know the issues well, you can explain the answers so that people can’t put you down as being uncaring and not compassionate. You have to be able to answer that, because freedom is compassionate, more so than all the authoritarian approaches. And then, when you learn that well and have studied that well, somebody will give you a job. You won’t even have to go looking. Somebody will give you a job.

For more info on Ron Paul, visit ronpaul2008.org. For more info on the Las Vegas Ron Paul Meetup Group, visit ronpaul.meetup.com/47.


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Writing publicly about his pedophilia and sexually deviant behavior for decades such as in the song, "This Little Girl."
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