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Old 12-12-2006, 06:23 PM
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How The ORANGE Order Run the World
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Inside the Hidden World of Secret Societies
http://www.nireland.com/evangelicaltruth/index.html

This site provides an unprecedented insight into the mystical world of secret societies, their hidden secret society degrees, rituals, secrets and esoteric teaching. It examines, in detail, Freemasonry, which is widely accepted as the mother of most of our modern-day secret society organisations. The site also looks at the many so-called Protestant secret societies, which have been birthed by Freemasonry, like the Orange Order, the Independent "Loyal" Orange Institution and the Royal Black Institution and compares, contrasts and examines the similarities between these neo-Masonic structures and their ritualistic degrees. We also address the controversial subject of generational curses, which has come to the fore in recent years.

This site creates a unique facilty for those both on the inside and outside of these secret bodies who desire to examine otherwise hard-to-obtain internal material relating to the many esoteric secret societies throughout the world. This informative in-depth resource centre discloses startling evidence about the origins, structures, secrets, degrees and rituals of bodies which has hitherto been concealed from the public gaze.

This website will endeavour to demonstrate in an open objective manner the incompatibility of these mysterious secret societies and their degrees with the Christian faith and with God's infallible Word - the Bible (a book these Masonic structures so frequently yet corruptly employ). In revealing such, we desire to reach the many Freemasons, Orangemen and Blackmen in our land (Northern Ireland) and further afield with the simplicity of the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ. This anti-Masonic site and the information contained within it is also a must for every born-again evangelical Christian interested in the alarming hidden influence of these highly ritualistic secret Masonic bodies. See the secrets and degrees exposed in graphic detail.

The Knights of Malta


Popish Knights

The Irish Knights of Malta is the next step of advancement from the Independent Orange Institution. In fact, in Ireland one can only progress to the Knights of Malta via this organisation. This so-called Protestant Order developed from the papist Scottish Knights of Malta, which in turn has its origins in the papal inspired crusades of the dark ages as the Knights of St.John of Jerusalem. Today it shares many of the same heathenish practises as Templarism worldwide.



Most of the leadership of the Independent Orange Institution are members of this mystical fraternity. The Scottish Knights of Malta in essence is a product of an extreme form of Romanism and occult practice.



http://www.nireland.com/evangelicaltruth/purple.html
The Royal Arch Purple Degree

royal arch purple degree

There were three main degrees worked within the Orange Order in its early days between 1795 and 1798. These were - the Orange degree, the Orange Marksman degree and the Purple Marksman degree. Whilst little is known of the exact content of these three degrees it seems certain that they were highly ritualistic in character, being modelled on the first three degrees of Freemasonry, namely, Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft and Master Mason.
Orange degree - Entered Apprentice degree
Orange Marksman degree - Fellowcraft degree
Purple Marksman degree - Master Mason degree

A ruling authority over the Orange - a Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland - wasn't formed until 21st April 1798. This body brought much needed stability and leadership to the Order at a strategic period in its history. Grand Lodge immediately addressed the bewildering amount of unnecessary ritualism that had found its way into Orangeism, and here began a process of reform which purged out all the ritualistic baggage which had settled itself within the Order. This resulted in the disposal of the original three (elaborate) degrees of the Orange.

From this date forward, the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland accepted only simplicity within its Order. Between 1798 and 1800 Grand Lodge began a process of implementing this simplification by standardising procedures throughout every lodge in Ireland. That they might eradicate any lingering injurious behaviour by spurious characters, they abolished the old Orange Order in 1800, with its ritualistic connections, obliging every Orangeman to rejoin a now simplified new Orange Institution.

Those ritualistic Orangemen inside the Order who bore allegiance to the former neo-Masonic degrees were far from happy at this radical reform. Some continued to practise these illegal degrees in a clandestine manner, in blatant violation of the rules of the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland.

Facing strong persecution from a now powerful Grand Lodge and realising their beleaguered position, they merged the three old degrees into one large ritualistic degree. The Arch Purple Chapter's book 'History of the Royal Arch Purple Order' explains: "Sometime between 1800 and 1811, possibly in 1802, a new degree was devised." This degree was "developed from the three pre 1798 'old degrees' " (p. 59). This elaborate degree became known as the 'Royal Arch Purple degree'.

Orange degree Orange Marksman degree Royal Arch Purple degree Purple Marksman degree

From its inception, the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland looked upon this neo-Masonic Royal Arch Purple degree with understandable abhorrence. It was viewed as being incompatible with, and contrary to, both Protestantism and Orangeism. Those ritualistic Orangemen who practised the degree were persecuted by Grand Lodge, forcing them to practise the degree in great secrecy for fear of expulsion from the Order. Grand Lodge maintained this position throughout the whole of the 1800s and into the early 20th century. The hard line assumed by the Orange Institution in Ireland mirrored the resolute stance of Orangeism throughout Great Britain.

The Symbols of Orangeism

Whilst opposition to the Royal Arch Purple within 19th Century Orangeism was enormous, a proposal was made to the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland to accept the Royal Arch Purple degree into the Institution in the early 1900's. It succeeded in that it passed two readings, but when it came before the Grand Lodge meeting of 8th December 1909, in Dublin, delegates present resolutely rejected the introduction of the Royal Arch Purple degree into the Orange Institution of Ireland.

Realising there was little chance of the Arch Purple degree being integrated into the Orange Institution of Ireland, these clandestine Orangemen, on 30th November 1911, inaugurated their own Institution - the "Royal Arch Purple Chapter of Ireland"- with its own ruling authority known as the Grand Chapter.

The degree:

The draft to the Arch Purple Chapter's book diplomatically traces the roots of the Royal Arch Purple degree, stating that, "In light of the evidence available it would appear that the degree given today evolved from certain practices which had their origin in the Masonic Order, together with some innovations which had been introduced by those brethren conferring the degree in different areas being added to the original theme of the pre 1800 degrees to form a new ritual."

In their book 'The Orange Order: An Evangelical Perspective' Grand Chaplain of the Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland (which owns the Royal Arch Purple as its second degree) Rev. Ian Meredith and Irish Arch Purple man Rev. Brian Kennaway comment on the Arch Purple degree. They state, "It has to be admitted that this is the most 'Masonic-like' part of our ceremony." They later describe it as "a Christianised or 'Reformed Freemasonry' " (pp. 12, 25).

The Royal Arch Purple degree (The Orange Order's 'Royal Arch Purple degree' exposed)

A Biblical Analysis of the Royal Arch Purple degree

Comparisons between the Royal Arch Purple degree and Freemasonry.

When on this page, please click on links within text of either degree to compare similarities with each other.

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Old 12-12-2006, 06:26 PM
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Yeah I know, old news for some, but for newbies and those who don't know why I'm instantly suspect, of those who instantly trash, the importance of The ORANGE Order;

Tavistock
The Best Kept Secret in America


From Dr. Byron T. Weeks, MD
July 31, 2001
http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwotavistockbestkeptsecret.shtml

The Delanos and other ruling families of the World Order trace their lineage directly back to William of Orange and the regime which granted the charter of the Bank of England.

[Editor's Note: No one deserves more credit than Dr. John Coleman for bringing to light the history and true purpose of the City of London's Tavistock Institute and its many subdivisional institutions and organizations which was exposed in stunning detail in his 1992 book, Conspirators' Hierachy: The Story of The Cimmittee of 300. Dr Coleman has rightly complained that many NWO expose writers who have followed in his wake, have used his original research without crediting him as the originating source and in fairness to him, it should be observed that the information presented below is a reflection of his pioneering investigations into Tavistock.

The article below was sent to John Quinn by Dr. Byron Weeks. The insidious propaganda and public opinion manipulations (including mind control agendas) orchestrated by London's Tavistock Institute is covered at length in the books of David Icke and Dr John Coleman, but this recent article adds fresh insights and historical perspective. Our thanks to Brice Taylor <brice@teleplex.net> for forwarding...Ken Adachi]

Preface from John Quinn (NewsHawk)
This forwarded article was received from Byron Weeks; who in our opinion really has a good firm handle on exactly WHAT is up on many levels with the extraordinarily extensive "control trips" currently being directed against the peoples of the world by elements of the global shadow government.

Weeks, whom I quoted at length in the book PHOENIX UNDEAD, has sent us this compelling look at a globally-active British institute which has had it's hands in just about every social and political/governmental movement of note throughout much of the world for the past 50 years.

For example, ever wonder who and what is "behind", let's say, the CIA? Well, they don't swear allegiance to America, that's for certain. Try the British royal family.

This report is the real stuff--solidly researched and meticulously documented; so for lots more truly concept-bending data, read on.

NewsHawk Inc.
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To John Quinn

I believe Tavistock has always had secret ties to British Freemasonry.

Byron T. Weeks, MD
Col. AFUS, MC, Ret.
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TAVISTOCK - THE BEST KEPT SECRET IN AMERICA

TAVISTOCK INSTITUTE . . . . . . . . .
30 Tabernacle Street, London EC2A 4DD.--

Formed in 1947, the Tavistock Institute is an independent not-for-profit organization which seeks to combine research in the social sciences with professional practice. Problems of institution-building and organizational design and change are being tackled in all sectors - government, industry and commerce, health and welfare, education, etc. - nationally and internationally, and clients range from multinationals to small community groups. A growth area has been the use of a developmental approach to evaluation of new and experimental programs, particularly in health, education and community development. This has also produced new training events alongside the regular program of group relations conferences. The Institute owns and edits the monthly journal Human Relations (published by Plenum Press) which is now in its 48th year, and has recently launched (in conjunction with Sage Publications) a new journal Evaluation.

Three elements combine to make the Institute unusual, if not unique: it has the independence of being entirely self-financing, with no subsidies from the government or other sources; the action research orientation places it between, but not in, the worlds of academia and consultancy; and its range of disciplines include anthropology, economics, organizational behavior, political science, psychoanalysis, psychology and sociology.

The ideology of American foundations was created by the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations in London. In 1921, the Duke of Bedford, Marquess of Tavistock, the 11th Duke, gave a building to the Institute to study the effect of shellshock on British soldiers who survived World War I. Its purpose was to establish the "breaking point" of men under stress, under the direction of the British Army Bureau of Psychological Warfare, commanded by Sir John Rawlings-Reese.

Tavistock Institute is headquartered in London. Its prophet, Sigmond Freud, settled in Maresfield Gardens when he moved to England. He was given a mansion by Princess Bonaparte. Tavistock's pioneer work in behavioral science along Freudian lines of "controlling" humans established it as the world center of foundation ideology. Its network now extends from the University of Sussex to the U.S. through the Stanford Research Institute, Esalen, MIT, <http://watch.pair.com/Hudson.html>Hudson Institute, <http://watch.pair.com/heritage.html>Heritage Foundation, Center of Strategic and International Studies at Georgetown, where State Dept. personal are trained, US Air Force Intelligence, and the Rand and Mitre corporations. The personnel of the corporations are required to undergo indoctrination at one or more of these Tavistock controlled institutions. A network of secret groups, the Mont Pelerin Society, Trilateral Commission, Ditchley Foundation, and the Club of Rome is conduit for instructions to the Tavistock network.

[Editor, Tim Aho's note: See Watch Unto Prayer report on The Heritage Foundation founded by Paul Weyrich with funding from Joseph Coors, who also founded and financed respectively the Moral Majority and Council for National Policy.]

Tavistock Institute developed the mass brain-washing techniques which were first used experimentally on American prisoners of war in Korea. Its experiments in crowd control methods have been widely used on the American public, a surreptitious but nevertheless outrageous assault on human freedom by modifying individual behavior through topical psychology. A German refugee, Kurt Lewin, became director of Tavistock in 1932. He came to the U.S. in 1933 as a "refugee", the first of many infiltrators, and set up the Harvard Psychology Clinic, which originated the propaganda campaign to turn the American public against Germany and involve us in World War II.

In 1938, Roosevelt executed a secret agreement with Churchill which in effect ceded U.S. sovereignty to England, because it agreed to let Special Operations Executive control U.S. policies. To implement this agreement, Roosevelt sent General Donovan to London for indoctrination before setting up OSS (now the CIA) under the aegis of SOE-SIS. The entire OSS program, as well as the CIA has always worked on guidelines set up by the Tavistock Institute.

[Editor, Tim Aho: See Watch Unto Prayer report on <http://watch.pair.com/jbs-cnp.html>The John Birch Society & Council for National Policy for information regarding CIA operations on the Christian Right.]

Tavistock Institute originated the mass civilian bombing raids carried out by Roosevelt and Churchill purely as a clinical experiment in mass terror, keeping records of the results as they watched the "guinea pigs" reacting under "controlled laboratory conditions". All Tavistock and American foundation techniques have a single goal---to break down the psychological strength of the individual and render him helpless to oppose the dictators of the World Order. Any technique which helps to break down the family unit, and family inculcated principles of religion, honor, patriotism and sexual behavior, is used by the Tavistock scientists as weapons of crowd control.

The methods of Freudian psychotherapy induce permanent mental illness in those who undergo this treatment by destabilizing their character. The victim is then advised to "establish new rituals of personal interaction", that is, to indulge in brief sexual encounters which actually set the participants adrift with no stable personal relationships in their lives, destroying their ability to establish or maintain a family. Tavistock Institute has developed such power in the U.S. that no one achieves prominence in any field unless he has been trained in behavioral science at Tavistock or one of its subsidiaries.

Henry Kissinger, whose meteoric rise to power is otherwise inexplicable, was a German refugee and student of Sir John Rawlings-Reese at SHAEF. Dr. Peter Bourne, a Tavistock Institute psychologist, picked Jimmy Carter for President of the U.S. solely because Carter had undergone an intensive brainwashing program administered by Admiral Hyman Rickover at Annapolis. The "experiment" in compulsory racial integration in the U.S. was organized by Ronald Lippert, of the OSS and the American Jewish Congress, and director of child training at the Commission on Community Relations. The program was designed to break down the individual's sense of personal knowledge in his identity, his racial heritage. Through the Stanford Research Institute, Tavistock controls the National Education Association. The Institute of Social Research at the National Training Lab brain washes the leading executives of business and government.

Such is the power of Tavistock that our entire space program was scrapped for nine years so that the Soviets could catch up. The hiatus was demanded in an article written by Dr. Anatol Rapport, and was promptly granted by the government, to the complete mystification of everyone connected with NASA. Another prominent Tavistock operation is the Wharton School of Finance, at the University of Pennsylvania. A single common denominator identifies the common Tavistock strategy---the use of drugs. The infamous MK Ultra program of the CIA, in which unsuspecting CIA officials were given LSD, and their reaction studied like "guinea pigs", resulted in several deaths.

The U.S. Government had to pay millions in damages to the families of the victims, but the culprits were never indicted. The program originated when Sandoz AG, a Swiss drug firm, owned by S.G. Warburg Co. of London, developed Lysergic Acid [LSD]. Roosevelt's advisor, James Paul Warburg, son of Paul Warburg who wrote the Federal Reserve Act, and nephew of Max Warburg who had financed Hitler, set up the <http://watch.pair.com/FreedomHouse.html#ips>Institute for Policy Studies to promote the drug. The result was the LSD "counter-culture" of the 1960s, the "student revolution", which was financed by $25 million from the CIA.

One part of MK Ultra was the Human Ecology Fund; the CIA also paid Dr. Herbert Kelman of Harvard to carry out further experiments on mind control. In the 1950s, the CIA financed extensive LSD experiments in Canada. Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, president of the Canadian Psychological Association, and director of Royal Victorian Hospital, Montreal, received large payments from the CIA to give 53 patients large doses of LSD and record their reactions; the patients were drugged into weeks of sleep and then given electric shock treatments.

One victim, the wife of a member of the Canadian Parliament, is now suing the U.S. companies who provided the drug for the CIA. All the records of the CIA's drug testing program were ordered destroyed by the head of MK Ultra. Because all efforts of the Tavistock Institute are directed toward producing cyclical collapse, the effect of the CIA programs are tragically apparent. R. Emmett Tyrell Jr., writing in the Washington Post August 20, 1984, cites the "squalid consequences of the 60s radicals in SDS" as resulting in "the growing rate of illegitimacy, petty lawlessness, drug addiction, welfare, VD, and mental illness".

This is the legacy of the Warburgs and the CIA. Their principal agency, the Institute for Policy Studies, was funded by James Paul Warburg; its co-founder was Marcus Raskin, protege of McGeorge Bundy, president of the Ford Foundation. Bundy had Raskin appointed to the post of President Kennedy's personal representative on the National Security Council, and in 1963 funded Students for Democratic Society, through which the CIA operated the drug culture.

Today the Tavistock Institute operates a $6 Billion a year network of Foundations in the U.S., all of it funded by U.S. taxpayers' money. Ten major institutions are under its direct control, with 400 subsidiaries, and 3000 other study groups and think tanks which originate many types of programs to increase the control of the World Order over the American people. The Stanford Research Institute, adjoining the Hoover Institution, is a $150 million a year operation with 3300 employees. It carries on program surveillance for Bechtel, Kaiser, and 400 other companies, and extensive intelligence operations for the CIA. It is the largest institution on the West Coast promoting mind control and the behavioral sciences.

One of the key agencies as a conduit for secret instructions from Tavistock is the Ditchley Foundation, founded in 1957. The American branch of the Ditchley Foundation is run by Cyrus Vance, former Secretary of State, and director of the Rockefeller Foundation, and Winston Lord, president of the Council on Foreign Relations.

[Editor, Tim Aho's note: The wife of Winston Lord (CFR, Bilderberg, Skull & Bones), Bette Bao Lord (CFR, Bilderberg), is Chairman of the Board of Freedom House whose manipulation of the Christian Right via the Religious Persecution issue is documented in our report <http://watch.pair.com/FreedomHouse.html>Freedom House: A CFR Front.]

One of the principal but little known operations of the Rockefeller Foundation has been its techniques for controlling world agriculture. Its director, Kenneth Wernimont, set up Rockefeller controlled agricultural programs throughout Mexico and Latin America. The independent farmer is a great threat to the World Order, because he produces for himself, and because his produce can be converted into capital, which gives him independence. In Soviet Russia, the Bolsheviks believed they had attained total control over the people; they were dismayed to find their plans threatened by the stubborn independence of the small farmers, the Kulaks.

Stalin ordered the OGPU to seize all food and animals of the Kulaks, and to starve them out. The Chicago American, February 25, 1935 carried a front page headline, SIX MILLION PERISH IN SOVIET FAMINE; Peasants' Crops Seized, They and their Animals Starve. To draw attention from this atrocity, it was later alleged that the Germans, not the Soviets, had killed six million people, the number taken from the Chicago American headline by a Chicago publicist.

The Communist Party, the Party of the Peasants and Workers, exterminated the peasants and enslaved the workers. Many totalitarian regimes have found the small farmer to be their biggest stumbling block. The French Reign of Terror was directed, not against the aristocrats, many of whom were sympathetic to it, but against the small farmers who refused to turn over their grain to the revolutionary tribunals in exchange for the worthless assignats. In the United States, the foundations are presently engaged in the same type of war of extermination against the American farmer.

The traditional formula of land plus labor for the farmer has been altered due to the farmer's need for purchasing power, to buy industrial goods needed in his farming operations. Because of this need for capital, the farmer is especially vulnerable to the World Order's manipulation of interest rates, which is bankrupting him. Just as in the Soviet Union, in the early 1930s, when Stalin ordered the Kulaks to give up their small plots of land to live and work on the collective farms, the American small farmer faces the same type of extermination, being forced to give up his small plot of land to become a hired hand for the big agricultural trusts. The Brookings Institution and other foundations originated the monetary programs implemented by the Federal Reserve System to destroy the American farmer, a replay of the Soviet tragedy in Russia, with one proviso that the farmer will be allowed to survive if he becomes a slave worker of the giant trusts.

Once the citizen becomes aware of the true role of the foundations, he can understand the high interest rates, high taxes, the destruction of the family, the degradation of the churches into forums for revolution, the subversion of the universities into CIA cesspools of drug addiction, and the halls of government into sewers of international espionage and intrigue. The American citizen can now understand why every agent of the federal government is against him; the alphabet agencies, the FBI, IRS, CIA and BATF must make war on the citizen in order to carry out the programs of the foundations.

The foundations are in direct violation of their charters, which commit them to do "charitable" work, because they make no grants which are not part of a political goal. The charge has been made, and never denied, that the Heritage-AEI network has at least two KGB moles on its staff. The employment of professional intelligence operatives as "charitable" workers, as was done in the Red Cross Mission to Russia in 1917, exposes the sinister political economic and social goals which the World Order requires the foundations to achieve through their " bequests ".

Not only is this tax fraud, because the foundations are granted tax exemption solely to do charitable work, but it is criminal syndicalism, conspiracy to commit offenses against the United States of America, Constitutional Law 213, Corpus Juris Secundum 16. For the first time, the close interlocking of the foundation "syndicate" has been revealed by the names of its principle incorporators---Daniel Coit Gilman, who incorporated the Peabody Fund and the John Slater Fund, and became an incorporator of the General Education Board (now the Rockefeller Foundation); Gilman, who also incorporated the Russell Trust in 1856, later became an incorporator of the Carnegie Institution with Andrew Dickson White (Russell Trust) and Frederic A. Delano. Delano also was an original incorporator of the Brookings Institution and the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

Daniel Coit Gilman incorporated the Russell Sage Foundation with Cleveland H. Dodge of the National City Bank. These foundations incorporators have been closely linked with the Federal Reserve System, the War Industries Board of World War I, the OSS of World War II and the CIA. They have also been closely linked with the American International Corporation, which was formed to instigate the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. Delano, an uncle of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, was on the original Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System in 1914. His brother-in-law founded the influential Washington law firm of Covington and Burling. The Delanos and other ruling families of the World Order trace their lineage directly back to William of Orange and the regime which granted the charter of the Bank of England.


Tavistock Institutions In The United States

Flow Laboratories Gets contracts from the National Institutes of Health.

Merle Thomas Corporation Gets contracts from the U.S. Navy, analyzes data from satellites.

Walden Research Does work in the field of pollution control.

Planning Research Corporation, Arthur D. Little, G.E. "TEMPO", Operations Research Inc. Part of approximately 350 firms who conduct research and conduct surveys, make recommendations to government. They are part of what President Eisenhower called "a possible danger to public policy that could itself become captive of a scientific-technological elite."

Brookings Institution Dedicates its work to what it calls a "national agenda." Wrote President Hoover's program, President Roosevelt's "New Deal", the Kennedy Administration's "New Frontiers" program (deviation from it may have cost John F. Kennedy his life), and President Johnson's "Great Society." Brookings has been telling the United States Government how to conduct its affairs for the past 70 years and is still doing so.

Hudson Institute This institution has done more to shape the way Americans react to political and social events, think, vote and generally conduct themselves than perhaps any except the BIG FIVE. Hudson specializes in defense policy research and relations with the USSR. Most of its military work is classified as SECRET. (One idea during the Vietnam War was to build a moat around Saigon.) Hudson may be properly classified as one of the Committee of 300's BRAINWASHING establishments. One of its largest clients is the U.S. Department of Defense which includes matters of civil defense, national security, military policy and arms control.

[Editor, Tim Aho: This is the same <http://watch.pair.com/Hudson.html>Hudson Institute which gave us GOALS 2000 and authored the Freedom From Religious Persecution Act, which became the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998. This law required the creation of a federal commission to monitor religion chaired by a presidentially-appointed Ambassador-at-Large on International Religious Freedom under the mandates of the United Nations' covenants and authority of the International Criminal Court.]

National Training Laboratories One of the key institutions established for this purpose in the United States was the National Training Laboratories (NTL). Founded in 1947 by members of the Tavistock network in the United States and located originally on an estate in Bethel, Maine, NTL had as its explicit purpose the brainwashing of leaders of the government, educational institutions, and corporate bureaucracies in the Tavistock method, and then using these "leaders" to either themselves run Tavistock group sessions in their organizations or to hire other similarly trained group leaders to do the job. The "nuts and bolts" of the NTL operation revolves around the particular form of Tavistock degenerate psychology known as "group dynamics," developed by German Tavistock operative Kurt Lewin, who emigrated to the United States in the 1930s and whose students founded NTL.

In a Lewinite brainwashing group, a number of individuals from varying backgrounds and personalities, are manipulated by a "group leader" to form a "consensus" of opinion, achieving a new "group identity." The key to the process is the creation of a controlled environment, in which stress is introduced (sometimes called dissonance) to crack an individual's belief structure. Using the peer pressure of other group members, the individual is "cracked," and a new personality emerges with new values. The degrading experience causes the person to deny that any change has taken place. In that way, an individual is brainwashed without the victim knowing what has taken place.

This method is the same, with some minor modification, used in all so-called "sensitivity groups" or "T-groups," or in the more extreme rock-drug-sex counterculture form, "touchy-feely groups," such as the kind popularized from the 1960s onward by the Esalen Institute, which was set up with the help of NTL.

From the mid-1950s onward, NTL put the majority of the nation's corporate leaderships through such brainwashing programs, while running similar programs for the State Department, the Navy, the Department of Education, and other sections of the federal bureaucracy. There is no firm estimate of the number of Americans who have been put through this process in last 40 years at either NTL, or as it is now known the NTL Institute for Applied Behavioral Sciences, which is based in Rosslyn, Virginia, or its West Coast base of operations, the Western Training Laboratories in Group Development, or in various satellite institutions. The most reliable estimate is in the several millions.

One of the groups that went through the NTL mill in the 1950s was the leadership of the National Education Association, the largest organization of teachers in the United States. Thus, the NEA's outlook has been "shaped" by Tavistock, through the NTL. In 1964, the NTL Institute became a direct part of the NEA, with the NTL setting up "group sessions" for all its affiliates. With funding from the Department of Education, the NTL Institute drafted the programs for the training of the nation's primary and secondary school teachers, and has a hand as well in developing the content of educational "reforms," including OBE.

Also known as the International Institute for Applied Behavioral Sciences. This institute is a brainwashing center in artificial stress training whereby participants suddenly find themselves immersed in defending themselves against vicious accusations. NTL takes in the National Education Association, the largest teacher group in the United States. While officially decrying "racism", it is interesting to note that NTL, working with NEA, produced a paper proposing education vouchers which would separate the hard-to-teach children from the brighter ones, and funding would be allocated according to the number of difficult children who would be separated from those who progressed at a normal rate. The proposal was not taken up.

University of Pennsylvania, Wharton School of Finance & Commerce Founded by Eric Trist One of the "brain trusts" of Tavistock, Wharton has become one of the more important Tavistock in so far as "Behavioral Research" is concerned. Wharton attracts clients such as the U.S. Department of Labor---which teaches how to produce "cooked" statistics at the Wharton Econometric Forecasting Associates Incorporated. This method was very much in demand as we came to the close of 1991 with millions more out of work than was reflected in USDL statistics. Wharton's ECONOMETRIC MODELING is used by every major Committee of 300 company in the United States, Western Europe, the International Monetary Fund, the United Nations, and the World Bank. Institute for Social Research Among its clients are The Ford Foundation, U.S.Department of Defense, U.S.Postal Service and the U.S. Department of Justice. Among its studies are "The Human Meaning Of Social Change", "Youth in Transition" and "How Americans View Their Mental Health".

Institute For The Future This is not a typical Tavistock institution in that it is funded by the Ford Foundation, yet it draws its long-range forecasting from the mother of all think tanks. Institute for the Future projects what it believes to be changes that will be taking place in time frames of fifty years. So called "DELPHI PANELS" decide what is normal and what is not, and prepare position papers to "steer" government in the right direction to head off such groups as "people creating civil disorder." (This could be patriotic groups demanding abolition of graduated taxes, or demanding that their right to bear arms is not infringed.) This institute recommends action such as liberalizing abortion laws, drug usage and that cars entering an urban area pay tolls, teaching birth control in public schools, requiring registration of firearms, making use of drugs a non-criminal offense, legalizing homosexuality, paying students for scholastic achievements, making zoning controls a preserve of the state, offering bonuses for family planning and last, but most frightening, a Pol Pot Cambodia-style proposal that new communities be established in rural areas, (concentration camp compounds). As can be observed, many of their goals have already been more than fully realized.


INSTITUTE FOR POLICY STUDIES (IPS)

One of the "Big Three", IPS has shaped and reshaped United States policies, foreign and domestic, since it was founded by James P. Warburg and the Rothschild entities in the United States. Its networks in America include the League for Industrial Democracy. Lead players in the League for Industrial Democracy have included Jeane Kirkpatrick, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Irwin Suall of the ADL, Eugene Rostow, Arms control negotiator, Lane Kirkland, Labor Leader, and Albert Shanker. IPS was incorporated in 1963 by Marcus Raskin and Richard Barnett, both highly trained Tavistock Institute graduates. The objectives of IPS came from an agenda laid down for it by the Tavistock Institute, one of the most notable being to create the "New Left" as a grass roots movement in the U.S. Its been said that Barnett and Raskin controlled such diverse elements as the Black Panthers, Daniel Ellsberg, National Security Council staff member Halprin, The Weathermen Underground, the Venceramos and the campaign staff of candidate George McGovern. No scheme was too big for IFS and its controllers to take on and manage.

Through its many powerful lobbing groups on Capitol Hill, IPS relentlessly used its "Big Stick" to beat Congress. IPS has a network of lobbyists, all supposedly operating independently but in actual fact acting cohesively, so that Congressmen are pummeled from all sides by seemingly different and varied lobbyists, In this way, IPS was, and is still, able to successfully sway individual Representatives and Senators to vote for "the trend, the way things are going." By using key pointmen on Capitol Hill, IPS was able to break into the very infrastructure of our legislative system and the way it works.

IPS became, and remains to this day, one of the most prestigious "think tanks" controlling foreign policy decisions, which we, the people, foolishly believe are those of our law makers. By sponsoring militant activism at home and with links to revolutionaries abroad, by engineering such victories as "The Pentagon Papers," besieging the corporate structure, bridging the credibility gap between underground movements and acceptable political activism, by penetrating religious organizations and using them to sow discord in America, such as radical racial policies under the guise of religion, using establishment media to spread IPS ideas, and then supporting them, IPS has lived up to the role which it was founded to play.

[Editor, Tim Aho: See Watch Unto Prayer report on <http://watch.pair.com/FreedomHouse.html>Freedom House: "Grants (for the IPS) came from the Samuel Rubin Foundation and the Stern Family Fund. Samuel Rubin was himself a member of the elite Comintern of the Communist Party, founded by none other than Lenin himself. Billionaire Armand Hammer assisted Rubin in making the fortunes which helped launch IPS. Philip Stern, an IPS trustee, was the president of Stern Fund. The executive director of the Stern Fund, David R. Hunter, was previously an official of The National Council and the World Council Of Churches. (Dr. James W. Wardner, Unholy Alliances, p.125)]


STANFORD RESEARCH INSTITUTE

Jesse Hobson, the first president of Stanford Research Institute, in a 1952 speech made it clear what lines the institute was to follow. Stanford can be described as one of the "jewels" in Tavistock's Crown in its rule over the United States. Founded in 1946 immediately after the close of WWII, it was presided over by Charles A. Anderson, with emphasis on mind control research and "future sciences." Included under the Stanford umbrella was Charles F. Kettering Foundation which developed the "Changing Images of Man" upon which the Aquarian Conspiracy rests.

Some of Stanford's major clients and contracts were at first centered around the defense establishment but, as Stanford grew, so, did the diversity of its services:

Applications of Behavioral Sciences to Research Management Office of Science and Technology

SRI Business Intelligence Program

U.S. Department of Defense Directorate of Defense Research and Engineering

U.S. Department of Defense Office of Aerospace Research

Among corporations seeking Stanford's services were Wells Fargo Bank, Bechtel Corporation, Hewlett Packard, Bank of America, McDonnell Douglas Corporation, Blyth, Eastman Dillon and TRW Company. One of Stanford's more secret projects was extensive work on chemical and bacteriological warfare (CAB) weapons.

Stanford Research is plugged into at least 200 smaller "think tanks" doing research into every facet of life in America. This is ARPA networking and represents the emergence of probably the most far reaching effort to control the environment of every individual in the country. At present Stanford's computers are linked with 2500 "sister" research consoles which include the CIA, Bell Telephone Laboratories, U.S. Army Intelligence, The Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI), Rand, MIT, Harvard and UCLA. Stanford plays a key role in that it is the "library", cataloging all ARPA documentation.

"Other agencies".....one can use one's imagination here, are allowed to search through SRI's "library" for key words, phrases, look through sources and update their own master files with those of Stanford Research Center. The Pentagon uses SRI's master files extensively, and there is little doubt that other U.S. Government agencies do the same. Pentagon "command and control" problems are worked out by Stanford.

While ostensibly these apply only to weapons and soldiers, there is absolutely no guarantee that the same research could not , and will not be turned to civilian applications. Stanford is known to be willing to do anything for anyone.

[Editor, Tim Aho: See Watch Unto Prayer report <http://watch.pair.com/dolphin.html>Lambert Dolphin & the Great Sphinx, which documents the connections of SRI's Lambert Dolphin with the Edgar Cayce Foundation and The Discernment Ministries.]


MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY (MIT),
ALFRED P. SLOAN SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT

This major institute is not generally recognized as being a part of Tavistock U.S.A. Most people look upon it as being a purely American institution, but that is far from the truth. MIT- Alfred Sloan can be roughly divided into the following groups:

Contemporary Technology Industrial Relations NASA-ERC Computer Research Laboratories Office of Naval Research Group, Psychology Systems Dynamics

Some of MIT's clients are:

American Management Association
Committee for Economic Development
GTE
Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA)
NASA
National Academy of Sciences
National Council of Churches
Sylvania
TRW
U.S. Army
U.S. Department of State
U.S. Navy
U.S. Treasury
Volkswagen Company


RAND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION

Without a doubt, RAND is THE think tank most beholden to Tavistock Institute and certainly the RIIA's most prestigious vehicle for control of United States policies at every level. Specific RAND policies that became operative include our ICBM program, prime analyses for U.S. foreign policy making, instigator of space programs, U.S. nuclear policies, corporate analyses, hundreds of projects for the military, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in relation to the use of mind altering drugs like peyote, LSD (the covert MK-ULTRA operation which lasted for 20 years).

[Editor, Tim Aho's note: The founder of the Rand Corporation, Herman Kahn, also founded the Hudson Institute in 1961. In Educating for the New World Order, B.K. Eakman tells of a training manual for "change agents" developed for the U.S. government by Rand Corporation: ". . . a how-to manual with a 1971 U.S. Office of Education contract number on it entitled 'Training for Change Agents'; seven volumes of 'change agent studies' commissioned by the U.S. Office of Education to the Rand Corporation in 1973-74; scores of other papers submitted by behaviorist researchers who had obtained grants from the U.S. Office of Education for the purpose of exploring ways to 'freeze' and 'unfreeze' values, 'to implement change,' and to turn potentially hostile groups and committees into acquiescent, rubber-stamp bodies by means of such strategies as the 'Delphi Technique.'" (p. 118)]

Some of RAND's clients include:

American Telephone and Telegraph Company (AT&T)
Chase Manhattan Bank
International Business Machines (IBM)
National Science Foundation
Republican Party
TRW
U.S. Air Force
U.S. Department of Health
U.S. Department of Energy

There are literally THOUSANDS of highly important companies, government institutions and organizations that make use of RANDS's services. To list them all would be impossible. Among RAND's specialities is a study group that predicts the timing and the direction of a thermonuclear war, plus working out the many scenarios based upon its findings. RAND was once accused of being commissioned by the USSR to work out terms of surrender of the United States Government, an accusation that went all the way to the United States Senate, where it was taken up by Senator Symington and subsequently fell victim to scorn poured out by the establishment press. BRAINWASHING remains the primary function of RAND.

These institutions are among those that fund The UNIFORM LAW FOUNDATION, whose function is to ensure that the Uniform Commercial Code remains the instrument for conducting business in the United States.
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theres a good book bout the order called 'Behind Closed Doors'' by Paul Malcomson. he's an ex-Orangeman and writes bout how the orange order connects with all the other occult societies he also kinda proves how the Orange Order (at the higher levels!) like the irish Roman Catholic Church is involved with paedophilia and how most of em are closet homos. he also shows rather clearly how there exist Paedophile networks and rings all over Ireland, Britain, America and Australia and how its all covered up by a network of Freemasons, the British Establishment the church and our friends the Rosicrucians..
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http://www.orangenet.org/



Welcome to OrangeNet! "the hub of orangeism on the net". .
OrangeNet contains Information on the Orange Order, History, Events and lots more....

Let love and faithfulness never leave you; bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your heart: Proverbs 3:3

The Loyal Orange Institution is a worldwide Brotherhood which exists for the establishment and preservation of Civil and Religious Liberty and the Protestant Religion.

It is exclusively an Association of those who are attracted to the principles of the Reformation, and will not admit to its Brotherhood persons whom an intolerant spirit leads to persecute, injure or upbraid any man on account of his religious opinion.The purpose of OrangeNet is to promote the global nature of the Institution.

Junior Orange Associations

Junior Orange Association of Canada

Junior Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland

Grand Orange Lodge of England - Juniors


WOMENS ORANGE ASSOCIATION


Ruchill Truth Defenders Ladies Loyal Orange Lodge 109

Victory Lodge No.583 LOBA Oshawa, Ontario

Excelsior Total Abstainers LLOL 14

East Fife Protestant Ladies

Association of Orange Ladies of England


IMPERIAL GRAND BLACK CHAPTER LINKS


Imperial Grand Black Chapter

Grand Black Chapter Of England

Summerisland Royal Black District Chapter 6

Comber District Royal Black Preceptory No 10

Portadown Black District Chapter No 5

The Burning Bush of Birmingham R.B.P 1043 (Birmingham England)

Grand Black Chapter of Ontario West (Canada)

Grand Black Chapter Of Belfast

Grand Black Chapter of Victoria

Bangor Royal Black District 13

ORANGE LINKS


Loyal Orange Institution of Western Australia
Other Sites of Interest


A Short History of Orangeism in Australia

The Syndey Orange Net

Contact Details For the Orange Institution of Australia

On Line Application Forms For Australia

Orange interest in Brisbane


Loyal Orange Institution of America

Grand Orange Lodge of Missouri

L.O.L 1690 California

L.O.L 899 Sons of Ulster Missouri U.S.A

L.O.L 228 United New York City U.S.A

L.O.L. 1638 Saint Andrew's Cross, Springfield, U.S.A.

L.O.L. 434 Boyne Defenders, Detroit, U.S.A.

Gideons Trust LOL 802


Grand Orange Lodge of Canada

County Grand Lodge of Toronto

Provincial Grand Orange Lodge of Ontario East

L.O.L 2123 Hamilton Ontario

L.O.L.2934 Highland Creek - Toronto

L.O.L. 805 Hackett Ontario

L.O.L 3272 Port Perry Ontario

L.O.L. 296 Harmony Orillia Ontario

L.O.L 2980 Outram Memorial

L.O.L 5 Brampton


New Zealand Orange Links


The Histroy of Orangeism in New Zealand
There are many dates in the commemorative calendar which are in the common denominator for the world family of Orangeism but each jurisdiction has some important dates within their own calendar.....more

The Protestant - Published by the New Zealand Protestant League

Contact Details - For the Grand Orange Lodge of New Zealand
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U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
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and for those on the Board of Directors;
http://www.climate.org/aboutus/directors.shtml

and Board of Advisors;
http://www.climate.org/aboutus/advisors.shtm

Now if this doesn't cause 'conspiracy researchers', to reasonably wonder if the whole, "Global Warning", "New Ice Age", "Climate Change", isn't a crock of "Orange Shit"....then you may want to look into these threads;

URANIUM Deal With CHINA
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36721

The NUCLEAR Power is...
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36734

We are currently expanding both the means of production, and desire to use, NUCLEAR WEAPONS, around the Whole World...setting the stage for the last prophecy, before His return, near destruction of ALL there is.


Outrage over French N-bid
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20612339-661,00.html

Ben Packham

October 20, 2006 12:00am
Article from: Herald-Sun

A FRENCH bid to build an atomic reactor in Australia has sparked outrage, with memories of its nuclear testing in the Pacific still fresh.
Labor and green groups have condemned the plan by France's state-owned Areva company to export its nuclear technology Down Under.

In a detailed submission to the Howard Government's nuclear taskforce, Areva said nuclear energy was viable in Australia and would ease the drought by powering desalination plants.

The company confirmed it was "very interested" in breaking into a future nuclear industry in Australia, and recommended large reactors over smaller ones.


Mr Albanese said Labor was still waiting for an answer from the Prime Minister on where he would build a reactor.


Greenpeace Australia-Pacific chief executive Steve Shallhorn said it was clear that nuclear "vultures" were circling in the hope of huge profits.

"I think it's outrageous, given France's history in the South Pacific, that they have the cheek to come and offer to build a reactor in Australia.

"It would be a mistake for Australia to invest in nuclear technology, but it would be an even bigger mistake to invest in French nuclear technology," he said.

Mr Shallhorn warned that Areva's latest reactor in Finland was beset by problems.

The first of the so-called "third generation" reactors, it was running late and over budget, wiping $300 million off Areva's bottom line, he said.

Industry and Resources Minister Ian Macfarlane said it was premature to speculate which companies might build a nuclear plant in Australia.

"We first need to determine whether there is an economic and environmental case for nuclear energy in this country," he said.
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If Jesuits, Masons, Orange Men and Women, who have run this world into the hell we all suffer, read, study and commit, "their handbook", The Bible, to memoury, why do the Ciggies and Iros of this forum, keep telling all the young seekers, not to bother opening it's pages?

How many world leaders and business moguls, have to quite, run, be dumped and charged (as this Christian keeps warning), before folk accept that students of The Bible make the accurate 'predictions'?


"You're so ignorant, intolerant and hateful, Mr. Marrs. Contrary to what you say, the Lodge is a Christian organization. There is a Holy Bible found on the altar of every Masonic Lodge in America!"

This is what a man, identifying himself as a 32nd degree Mason, recently wrote me. The angry fellow insisted he is a Christian and that Freemasonry is also Christian.

"But, unlike you," he jibed, "I'm a believer in the true God and the true Jesus Christ—the God who answers to many names such as Allah, Krishna, Osiris, and Zoroaster, and the Christ who loves and accepts Buddhists, Hindus, Moslems, and people of every faith and creed."

This Masonic Shriner fez, or cap, demonstrates the heretical doctrines of the Lodge. The Shriners are made up of high-level Masons who are initiated and take an oath at the altar of Allah and Mohammed. Diabolically, many Shriners insist they are also "Christians." For a complete exposé of the Shriners, please order Texe Marrs' 60 minute investigative audiotape, The Shriners—Allah's Islamic Cult Inside the Masonic Lodge.

Another Jesus and Another Gospel

As you can see, the Jesus this man describes is not at all the Jesus of the Scriptures. Instead, this is "another Jesus" (II Corinthians 11:4) and "another gospel" (Galatians 1:8)—an "accursed gospel," Paul called it.

Nor do Masons worship the same God. They call their deity the "Great Architect of the Universe," but they call out and pray to him under many names.

The gospel of Freemasonry is described very well in the commentary of the very Bible that, as our letter-writer boasted, is found on the altar of every Masonic Lodge in America. He told the truth. The lodges do display the Bible on their altar—their literature even describes the Bible as part of the "furniture" of the Lodge.

But Now…The Whole Story

But now, let me tell you the whole story. You see, the Masonic Altar Bible contains added pages of commentary which explain the Lodge's formal doctrine regarding the Holy Scriptures. Here, from the words printed in the Masons' own Altar Bible (page 5), we discover the accursed ecumenical teachings of Masons and the Lodge:

"For Masonry knows, what so many forget, that religions are many, but Religion is one…Therefore, it invites to its altar men of all faiths, knowing that, if they use different names for 'the Nameless One of a hundred names,' they are yet praying to the one god and Father of all; knowing, also that while they read different volumes, they are in fact reading the same vast Book of the Faith of Man as revealed in the struggle and sorrow of the race in its quest of God. So that, great and noble as the Bible is, Masonry sees it as a symbol of that (which, what? The Satanic bible?) eternal Book of the Will of God.

Much more, the grand old Bible is to us a symbol—that is, a part taken for the whole. It is a sovereign symbol of the Book of Faith, the Will of God as man has learned—that perpetual revelation of himself which God is making mankind in every land and every age.

Thus, by the very honor which Masonry pays to the Bible, it teaches us to revere every book of faith in which men find help for today and hope for the morrow, joining hands with the man of Islam as he takes oath on the Koran, and with the Hindu as he makes covenant with God upon that book he loves best." (Ge, just what the "Gate Keepers here "Preach"!)

All Religions, All Faiths, All Gods, All Scriptures Equal

So, we find that the added words in the commentary of the Masonic Altar Bible diminish Christianity by claiming that all religions, all faiths, all gods, are of the same merit. "Religion is one," the leaders of the Lodge conclude.

As for the Christian Bible, it's no more to be honored and revered by the Lodge than the Islamic Koran or the Hindu Vedas, or, for that matter, the ancient Greek writings of Homer. It's up to the individual Mason to choose the "scriptures" and the "God" he "loves best." (Satan?)

The Masonic doctrine is wonderfully ecumenical, open, broad, and tolerant. It is also horrendously demented and demonic! That's my unwavering belief, and that's exactly why our 32nd degree friend brands Texe Marrs "ignorant, intolerant, and hateful." I suspect that most readers of this Power of Prophecy newsletter would also be branded as such by the politically correct Masonic fraternity.

Jesus: A Name Above Every Name

The next time you encounter a Mason claiming a belief in "Christianity," or "Jesus," ask him about these words of commentary printed on page 5 of his Masonic Altar Bible. Then ask how this doctrine can be squared with these mighty words, contained in the actual text; that is, the Scriptures, of the very same Bible which sits on the Masonic Altar:

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

—Phillipians 2:9-11
Power of Prophecy is pleased to offer readers possible one of the best books ever written exposing the Masonic Ancient Mystery Religion worship of Lucifer, under the guise of the "Great Architect of the Universe." The Gods of the Lodge, by Reginald Haupt, is available for $12.00 plus $1.20 shipping and handling. To order, phone toll free 1-800-234-9673 or click on this link: The Gods of the Lodge.
http://www.conspiracyworld.com/index0055.htm


See, the sad thing is, "Brother" deliberately mis-lead "Brothers", with countless divertions (levels of degrees are just that, all but the 'top', are too low level to know what the Elite of Rome, the Royal Black Institution, and High Orange Men know), but to all who understand, The Bible of our Creator, and it's clear Good News, is the key.

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Lilly , is everything in bible is true ?
Is a bible true historical document and is written by Angel inspired man ?
Honestly
Simply, Yes. Correction, "Spirit" inspired.

It is a perfect "contract" between God and man. ALL mankind, over all time, and as we all know, even High Judges have trouble sifting through law, with all the forgotten precidents, caveats and liens etc. to remember and sort, in an effort to serve Justice, so of course you need help to understand The Most Complex Contract of all time, and that "Helper" is The Holy Spirit.

Some argue that God said He blind most, but forget, "Line upon line, here a little there a little". So of those 'little lines' also remind us to KEEP knocking and KEEP asking with a whole heart, and those will be answered.

It's part of the sifting and sorting of those who want the rewards of 'Godliness' from a foundation of selfish pride, rather than humble repentance.

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Originally Posted by marco w.
On their way to world domination. It just might take a little while to get there.




Yes, and they know while they make us laugh at them, we aren't worried enough to resist.

"Smiling Assassins".


Phoenixmasonry Masonic Museum
Masonic Bible with Covers Carved in Abalone Shell






The central piece of furniture in any well governed Masonic Lodge is the Holy Bible or Volume of Sacred Law (VSL). Placed upon the Altar in the center of the Lodge room it pours forth upon the East, West, and South its refulgent rays of Divine Truth. The Bible is used among Freemasons as a symbol of the will of God, however it may be expressed. It contains plain teaching for every rank of soul and state in life, which so far as they honestly and implicitly obey, they will be happy and innocent to the utmost powers of their nature, and capable of victory over all adversities, whether of temptation or pain. So much is its importance in Masonic daily life that it is also called one of the "Three Great Lights of Freemasonry." In a Lodge consisting entirely of Jews, the Old Testiment alone may be placed upon the Altar, and Turkish Freemasons make use of the Koran. Whether it be the gospels to the Christians, the Pentateuch to the Israelite, the Koran to the Muslem, or the Vedas to the Brahman, it everywhere Masonically conveys the same idea-- that of the symbolism of the Divine Will revealed to man.

In the ancient world, literary works were written on rolls or scrolls. The book form, called Codex, did not emerge until around the second century A.D. The Old Testament books were written on skins. The New Testament books were originally written on papyrus. Papyrus was made from the papyrus reed called a bulrush.

Bilbus or bulbos is the Greek word from which our word Bible comes. Biblos originally was the word for the papyrus bulrush itself; it then became the word for the papyrus writing material made from that bulrush; it then went on to mean a roll of papyrus; and finally it came to mean a book.

The work biblia was then coined to describe little books, and since the Scriptures are essentially that—a collection of little books—the word Bible was used to describe them.

This wonderful Masonic Bible pictured above was made by The Masonic History Company and has the complete Old and New Testaments. There are 39 books in the Old Testament and 27 in the New Testament, a total of 66 books. Included are a Preface by H. L. Haywood, FREEMASONRY AND THE BIBLE, A Bible Readers' Manual, A Sketch of the early Churches, the Ancient Versions of the Old Testament, New Testament Apocrypha, Hebrew Festivals, and has a full index and concordance. Of course what makes this Bible so special is its intricately hand-carved abalone shell cover. (not the truth of our Creators Word, no "They" worship the work of mans hands!) This Bible has approximately 1,100 pages and measures 8 inches tall by 5 1/2 inches wide and is 2 1/4 inches deep.

A special "Thank You" to Bill Johnson (pictured left of parents above) of Beaumont, Texas for donating this beautiful Bible to our museum! It belonged to his father Bro. Thomas Henry Johnson, a member of South Park Lodge No. 1320 in Beaumont, Texas. Bill's Mothers's half sister was married to John Bell Lewis, the grandson of Betty Washington - George Washington's sister.
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Now the trick is, to keep "Connecting (seemingly) Un-Connected Dots", and not allow "THEM" to bog you down in the same "messager shooting", repeat, repeat, repeated lies, DESIGNED to keep you from, "following the bouncing ball", through "THEIR" "dark woods", into the light of truth.

So I've rounded up alot of those 'dots' here in a, savable for when you're you have the time and interest, block.

They will call it 'spam' again and other distracting BS, but everyone should find things of interest in the many and varied topics, views and articles in this list I work to freely present to all for their own review and further study.

Hardly the action of someone out to 'brainwash' anyone, or one who believes fellow forumers are too ignorant to follow the complexity of as some of 'accussers' lie about me...so why do "THEY" so need to herd you all away from these topics?

"EGYPT", is Nowhere in The Bible.
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37784&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&st art=0

What is New Age Bullshit?
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25788&highlight=australian+pyramid s+glyphs

Where are the Ten Lost Tribes?
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27748&highlight=australian+pyramid s+glyphs

Australia's History; Pyramids, Egyptian Glyphs, more!
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26291&highlight=australian+pyramid s+glyphs

YENDON challenge
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36181

ANCIENT EGYPT AND AMERICAN CONNECTIONS
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37503

FOLLOW the PAEDOPHILES to find CONSPIRACIES that HURT US ALL
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25022

The ORANGE Order
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38104

"GASLIGHTING" is a form of psychological abuse
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37024&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&st art=0

THE Nuclear Power is....
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36734

Australia's URANIUM Deal With CHINA
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36721

Whats going on with Pakistan?
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36688

How the Vatican created Islam
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37134

The Dollar's Full-System Meltdown
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39125

Iran Call For ‘Borderless World’
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39127

Blair downplays creationism fears
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39114&highlight=

WILL JAPAN BE THE NEXT AWAKENING “GIANT”?
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38620&highlight=

HOMESCHOOLERS portrayed as TERRORISTS
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38769&highlight=

Neandertals, Modern Humans Interbred, Bone Study Suggests
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38966&highlight=

And the silicon chip inside her head..
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39097&highlight=

Smile and say LYING SACK OF SHIT PEDOPHILES
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38942&highlight=

Young Talent Time- paedo ring?
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38898&highlight=

Eugenics in UK
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39261

Pacific instability 'creating power vacuum'
http://news.google.com.au/news?q=pacific+island+unrest&hl=en&hs=jcV&lr=&clie nt=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&sa=X&oi=news&ct=title

New World Order change agents
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35866

Royal Black Preceptory
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ivymead/index1test.htm


Phoenixmasonry Masonic Museum Orange Order

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/fraternalism/orange_order.htm


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The ORANGE Order is also, like The Exclusive Brethren, one of the "strands" of the Protestant family.

Now among the report on SBS's DATELINE, I can't find on-line anymore, is that they have already had 30 Exclusive Brethren businesses, exempt, made, "No Go Zones" for Unions in Australia, and that they can and do track every cent their members make, inorder to know how much "tithes" to take from them.

This is very much of how the NWO/One World Religion will function.

Politics, Pamphlets and Prayers
But, it's less well known that Exclusive Brethren's world leader is an Australian, and that the sect has been operating here in recent federal elections.
Source: Dateline - Wed, 15 Nov 2006
http://news.sbs.com.au/sales/
Earlier this year John Howard acknowledged that he'd met with members of the Exclusive Brethren, an ultra-conservative Christian group described by some observers as "a moralistic sect". The group which bars their members from voting in elections, the results of which they say are ordained by God - have been accused of campaigning against the likes of the Greens and the Labour Party both here and in New Zealand. They've also been connected with a campaign for John Howard's re-election in Bennelong, his Sydney electorate. "We don't run a police state in this country," the PM has said. "Unless people are an unlawful organisation, they are entitled to meet with the Government. I've met a lot more fanatical people in my life than the Exclusive Brethren," he added. Well, you make up your own mind. Here's Chris Hammer.

Cult politics: a glimpse inside Exclusive Brethren
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1461155.htm

The World Today - Thursday, 15 September , 2005 12:26:00
Reporter: Toni Hassan
ELEANOR HALL: As New Zealand's election draws closer, an extreme religious group has been grabbing the headlines. Exclusive Brethren has produced glossy leaflets attacking the Greens and Labor across the Tasman.

But, it's less well known that Exclusive Brethren's world leader is an Australian, and that the sect has been operating here in recent federal elections.

So what is Exclusive Brethren, and what are the implications of intervention in national politics?

Toni Hassan has this report.

TONI HASSAN: It's a religious group like no other.

JOHN WALLIS: I think it used to be a fringe, but now I think it's developed in to a very dangerous cult.

TONI HASSAN: John Wallis from just outside Perth is a former member of Exclusive Brethren who was expelled, he says, for exposing corruption inside the group.

JOHN WALLIS: A group of people that operate in a hierarchical system where the members sell their minds to the hierarchy.

TONI HASSAN: The head of the hierarchy is known as the elect vessel or universal leader. The current leader is an Australian, Bruce Hales - a businessman who inherited the top job from his father, John Hales, after convincing membership of his leadership ability.

The Exclusive Brethren is one of the strands of the Protestant family that developed a separate identity in the early 19th century. It's not the same as the Brethren or Open Brethren, though both groups share a common heritage, coming from John Darby and the Christian Plymouth Brethren.

Members of Exclusive Brethren shun mainstream society and modern technology as evil. The list of bans have included everything from preventing women from cutting their hair, to banning pets.

Former member John Wallis believes there are 40,000 members scattered throughout the developed world, with around 8,000 members here in Australia.

JOHN WALLIS: We are God's chosen, we are the ones… perhaps even more fundamental, that there is no others, but that's a bit of double talk, because they would never admit to that, but the fact of the matter is that we can only associate, eat, do business with any more than a third party.

I mean, you can actually deal with the world, but you can actually be in business with anyone else except the Brethren.

TONI HASSAN: And they're forbidden even to vote?

JOHN WALLIS: Yeah, but what sort of hypocrisy is what's been going on in New Zealand?

TONI HASSAN: Yes, how do you explain their involvement there with a pretty glossy campaign targeted at the Greens and the Labor Party?

JOHN WALLIS: Oh, easily. The Lord has moved on. That would be their way of explaining it, yes, the Lord moves. I think the basic problem is, their God is crazy. In fact, he's insane. In fact, you never know what he's going to do next. This is really the mortar that keeps the bricks together.

TONI HASSAN: But is it not biblically based?

JOHN WALLIS: Absolutely not.

TONI HASSAN: And how would you speculate they were able to raise the half a million that's gone in just for the New Zealand campaign?

JOHN WALLIS: Oh, easily. Mr Hales would just tell them what to do and they'd do it. They've got a bit of a mix there, but most of them are men that could put their hand in their pocket probably for half a million dollars each.

TONI HASSAN: Greens Senator Bob Brown this week questioned the role played by Exclusive Brethren in Australia, asking Special Minister for State, Eric Abetz, about the sect's funding pamphlets backing Prime Minister John Howard last year.

Senator Brown says voters deserve to know the link-ups by which huge amounts of money from the Exclusive Brethren is being channelled into politics.

John Wallis is in no doubt the group is playing an increasingly pro-active role in local politics.

JOHN WALLIS: Oh, absolutely, yeah.

I've only just become aware of it more recently, but back as far as 1993, they had their finger in politics then distributing… I thought it was only one area, where there was a bit of an uncertain seat, where they distributed pamphlets, but they apparently distributed pamphlets in '93 all through New South Wales supporting for Liberal.

TONI HASSAN: I guess it's not illegal for any one group to spend thousands of dollars on an election campaign, targeting anyone with leaflets?

JOHN WALLIS: No, I wouldn't see it as illegal, but why can't these people be… I mean, I know why they can't be straightforward, but why can't they be straightforward and just say, hey, we're the Exclusive Brethren, we're not going to vote, but we want to influence the voting.

TONI HASSAN: Marion Maddox is a senior lecturer in religious studies at Victoria University in Wellington. She says Exclusive Brethren's intrusion into politics reflects a wider trend among Evangelical and Pentecostal churches.

MARION MADDOX: Towards a movement for what they call Christian Government. It's the idea that it's no longer enough just to watch from the sidelines, but that there's really a role for Christians in trying to get governments that reflect what they see as Christian values, which of course they're not necessarily what all Christians see as Christian values - reducing taxation, reducing welfare, increasing defence spending and then with the kind of socially, morally conservative positions also.

TONI HASSAN: The World Today did try and speak to Exclusive Brethren's leader, Sydney-based Bruce Hales, but was unsuccessful. Family members instead referred us to books and a website about the group.

ELEANOR HALL: Toni Hassan reporting.


From SourceWatch
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Exclusive_Brethren

The Exclusive Brethren is a conservative fundamentalist Christian group who desired to remain spiritually separate from the world surrounding them, and also from the divisions and confusion they perceived in Christendom.

The EB never used the name "Exclusive" for themselves, but it derived from their strict interpretation of the rules of membership of their "assemblies". EB believe that once one of their branches has excluded a person from Christian fellowship, that person remains excluded from all other branches. [1]
Contents

* 1 The Exclusive Brethren in Politics
o 1.1 The 2004 US Presidential campaign
o 1.2 The 2005 New Zealand election
o 1.3 The 2006 Tasmanian election
* 2 External links
o 2.1 Profiles
o 2.2 Websites
o 2.3 Articles & Commentary


The Exclusive Brethren in Politics

While members of the EB do not vote, even in countries where voting is compulsory, in recent years they have played an increasingly active role in campaigning for conservative political candidates and parties.

The 2004 US Presidential campaign

In 2004 the EBs held prayer meetings and donated money for the Presidential re-election campaign of George W. Bush and U.S. Senate candidate Mel Martinez.

In October 2004, the Thanksgiving Committee was formed "four days after the deadline for reporting pre-election campaign expenditures," the St. Petersburg Times reported. [2] It also reported that the men who formed the group were members of the Exclusive Brethren. OpenSecrets reported that the committee raised and spent $636,522 in the 2004 campaign. [3]

The largest single donor, who contributed $377,262, was from Bruce Hazell of London, England. The committee took out a full page advertisement in the New York Times and a smaller one in the Tampa Tribune backing Bush "and a quarter-page ad in the St. Petersburg Times endorsing Republican Mel Martinez for U.S. Senate because of his support for traditional marriage." [4]

The contact listed for the group, Steve Truan, told the St. Petersburg Times that the group likes to "fly beneath the radar." He refused to discuss the advertisements.

The 2005 New Zealand election

In the 2005 New Zealand General Election, some individual members of the EB became involved in producing and distributing pamphlets attacking New Zealand Labour Party and the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand and supporting the rival conservative New Zealand National Party, whose leader, Don Brash, they had met several times. [5] [6] [7]

The 2006 Tasmanian election

Members of the EB placed advertisements and distributed leaflets attacking the Tasmanian Greens in the 2006 Tasmanian state election. [8]

Opposition Liberal Party state director Damien Mantach has confirmed he met members of the Exclusive Brethren before the election campaign. [9] The Liberals distributed similar brochures of their own.

External links

Profiles

* "Exclusive Brethren", Wikipedia. (This article has extensive background on the historical origins of the EB).
* BBC Religion & Ethics - The Exclusive Brethren.
* My Brethren - History and Ministry of 'Exclusive Brethren' (so-called) Premier resource for their origin, progress and testimony 1827-1959 on -- with biographies, doctrine, studies, memorabilia, poetry, answers to inquiries and extensive correspondence with guests.

Websites

* TheExclusiveBrethren.com website.
* MyBrethren.com website.

Articles & Commentary

* Lucy Morgan, "Veiled sect hails Bush, Martinez", St. Petersburg Times, January 18, 2005.
* Jeanette Fitzsimons (Green Party Co-Leader), "Dirty tricks campaign: point-by-point rebuttal", Media Release, September 3, 2005.
* Ainsley Thomson, "Parties say pamphlets a smear campaign", New Zealand Herald, September 5, 2005.
* "Clark blames National for 'smear' leaflets", New Zealand Herald, September 5, 2005.
* Derek Cheng, "Labour accuses National of masterminding smear flyers", New Zealand Herald, September 6, 2005.
* Errol Kiong, "Sect members behind political pamphlets", New Zealand Herald, September 7, 2005.
* Ainsley Thomson, Stuart Dye and Audrey Young, "The secret seven behind anti-Government offensive", New Zealand Herald, September 8, 2005.
* Janna Hamilton, "The Exclusive Brethren", New Zealand Herald, September 8, 2005.
* Noelle McCarthy and Don Brash, "Don Brash speaks about the Exclusive Brethren pamphlet campaign live on Bfm Breakfast", 95Bfm.com, September 8, 2005. (This is a 1.5MB MP3 file).
* "Brash knew about Exclusive Brethren pamphlets", New Zealand Herald, September 8, 2005.
* Grant Fleming, "Brash apologises for Exclusive Brethren confusion", New Zealand Herald, September 9, 2005.
* Paola Totaro, "Church group weighs in to NZ election", Sydney Morning Herald (Australia), September 9, 2005.
* Audrey Young, "Brethren distributes two more pamphlets", New Zealand Herald, September 9, 2005.
* Kevin List, "Peter Dunne's Relationship With The Exclusive Brethren", Scoop (New Zealand), September 9, 2005.
* Jonathan Milne and Patrick Crewdson, "National rides rollercoaster polls", New Zealand Herald, September 9, 2005.
* Geoff Cumming and Errol Kiong, "Brethren deny a hidden agenda", New Zealand Herald, September 10, 2005.
* Kevin Taylor, "Brash's bad week comes at the worst possible time", New Zealand Herald, September 10, 2005.
* Tony List, "Exclusive Brethren Lobby MP's On Unions", Scoop (New Zealand), September 11, 2005.
* "The power behind the Brethren", Sunday Star Times (New Zealand), September 12, 2005.
* Derek Cheng, "Exclusive Brethren trot out new leaflets", New Zealand Herald, September 13, 2005.
* "Aussies 'meddling in NZ campaign'", Sydney Morning Herald (Australia), September 13, 2005.
* Marion Maddox, "Step to the right as the brethren gather force", Sydney Morning Herald (Australia), September 14, 2005.
* Linda Doherty, "Brethren linked to Howard campaign", Sydney Morning Herald (Australia), September 16, 2005.
* Toni Hassan, "Cult politics: a glimpse inside Exclusive Brethren", The World Today / ABC Radio National (Australia), September 15, 2005.
* Amanda Cameron, "Brethren won't be breaking out bubbly", New Zealand Herald, September 18, 2005.
* Michelle Paine, "Church group challenged over 'negative' ads", The Mercury (Australia), March 16, 2006.
* Natasha Cica, "Voters set to return Lennon", The Age (Australia), March 17, 2006.
* Michelle Paine, "Greens' Putt blasts 'grubbiest campaign'", The Mercury (Australia), March 19, 2006.
* Sue Neales, "Sect pair show hand", The Mercury (Australia), March 23, 2006.
* Matthew Denholm and Padraic Murphy, "Brethren and the bearpit: A secretive sect denies conducting a smear campaign against the Greens at Tasmania's poll", The Australian, March 27, 2006.
* Wendy Carlisle, "Elusive Exclusive Brethren", ABC Radio National (Australia), April 30, 2006 (transcript).
* "Brown pushes for Exclusive Brethren probe," ABC News (Australia), June 7, 2006.
* Laura Anderson, "Brown will be damned: Brethren," The Mercury (Australia), June 7, 2006.
* "Probe bid on Brethren slammed as vindictive," The Mercury (Australia), June 8, 2006.
* Jill Rowbotham, "Piety not much of a vote-winner. Fears that Christian fundamentalism is influencing politics are misplaced," The Australian, June 17, 2006.
* News Release: "Australian Greens Back Exclusive Brethren request," Australian Green Party (Scoop (Australia)), June 21, 2006.
* David Marr, "Hidden prophets", Sydney Morning Herald (Australia), July 1, 2006.

Wikipedia also has an article on Exclusive Brethren. This article may use content from the Wikipedia article under the terms of the GFDL..
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No one group runs the entire world get over it there are a billion chinese people laughing at you right now lilly :mun:
Keep up, I'm 'connecting the dots' for you, read the whole artical at the link.

James Wolfsonsohn (ex-head World Bank) GLOBAL RE-STRUCTURE Reply with quote http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40570
true-lilly wrote:
Well, I do hope some Aussies caught James Wolfsonsohn's interview on ABC TV's Lateline tonight, 24-nov-06.

I hate ABC's site, none of the 'good stuff' ever seems to be on it, but he also gave a lecture somewhere tonight so maybe some clever NEThead can track it down.

Basicly this Former Head of The World Bank, was telling the world what I've been warning of for decades; Global Power Re-Structure, America's dying and Australia/The Crown, were bloody smart to concentrate on our 'friendship/Nuclear and other Trade', with China and India, the Emerging New "Titans".

Funny too, 40% of the worlds Uranium, 'friendly', with China and India, 40% of the world.

It really is GLOBALLY IMPORTANT.
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Now you don't think "They" chose ORANGE to be the SYMBOL of the Revolution, by 'accident' do you?

EU unfazed by Tymoshenko warning on Ukraine
22.11.2006 - 17:39 CET | By Andrew Rettman
http://euobserver.com/24/22930
EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Ukraine's new prime minister Viktor Yanukovych is trying to take his country back into the pre-Orange Revolution era and must be removed, ex-prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko said in Brussels on the second anniversary of the Orange Revolution - but the EU is keeping an open mind on Mr Yanukovych for now.

Referring to the country's Soviet-like pre-revolution leader Leonid Kuchma, Ms Tymoshenko said "Foreign policy and domestic policy with Yanukovych looks like Kuchma-light, like cigarettes - it is similar to Kuchma but not as dangerous. We are doing all we can not to let Kuchma-light turn into Kuchma-full strength."

Presenting a list of anti-EU moves by the Yanukovych government in the past six months, she predicted that a new Orange coalition in parliament will topple Mr Yanukovych in early elections next year and the constitutional court will transfer power back from parliament to Orange president Viktor Yushchenko.

Mr Yanukovych has, she says: blocked legislation needed for WTO membership and the creation of an EU free trade zone; leant on media to spread anti-NATO "propaganda" ahead of a referendum on membership; increased energy dependency on Russia by non-transparent gas price deals and sidelined pro-EU foreign minister Boris Tarasyuk.

"We don't need to demonise [Mr Yanukovych's party] because these weak and quite vulnerable people don't have enough weight for a counter-revolution," Ms Tymoshenko said, describing the current government as a post-revolution "disease" phase preceding the birth of a "healthy" new state.

But the EU is keeping a more open mind on Mr Yanukovych for now, with the European Commission and member states waiting to see if his careful mix of pro-Russia and pro-EU rhetoric will translate into gradual integration with the EU at the same time as more stable energy relations with Russia.

"There has been a shift in Yanukovych [from his Kuchma days], not a huge shift, but a shift nevertheless and the EU should keep close ties with him to encourage this," a senior Czech diplomat stated. "There is understanding, especially in the new member states, that it is hard to cut ties with the old administration too quickly."

Yanukovych the pragmatist
"When I met Mr Yanukovych [who has come to Brussels twice since March] he talked to me as a euro-pragmatic man," external relations commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner told EUobserver, adding "Maybe there is not the same speed of [pro-EU] reforms as before in Ukraine, but the country is in a very complicated situation."

Even the more hawkish US, widely credited with helping orchestrate the 2004 revolution, is keeping in with Mr Yanukovych for now. "We have pledged to work with any freely elected government in Ukraine," a US diplomat stated, adding "the US sees Ukraine in [NATO] in future, but how it gets there is up to the people of Ukraine."

Kiev-based think-tank the International Centre for Policy Studies (ICPS) - which helps Brussels draft its policies on Ukraine - also believes Mr Yanukovych "will support further integration with the EU and cooperate on security issues", saying the WTO legislation might still go through this month and calling Ms Tymoshenko's early election forecast "unrealistic."

On the test case of support for separatists in Moldova's Trasndniestria region, Mr Yanukovych has so far taken the pro-EU and anti-Russia line of working with EU border monitors to stem black market exports, but has also raised EU eyebrows by closing a key bridge on the Dniester river forcing Moldovan goods trains to go through separatist turf.

No angels in Kiev
Meanwhile, there are no parties or orange banners in Kiev's Independence Square on Wednesday (22 November) - two years after 250,000 people peacefully overthrew the repressive regime of Mr Kuchma and his then president Viktor Yanukovych in one of the biggest political events in eastern Europe since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Mr Yanukovych - freely re-elected as prime minister this March - today has approval ratings of over 20 percent, while dioxin-scarred Orange Revolution icon, president Viktor Yushchenko, has just 15 percent after a series of top-level corruption scandals and infighting in the Orange camp.

Major issues - such as who ordered the murder of opposition journalist Georgy Gongadze in 2000 and who poisoned Mr Yushchenko in 2004 - remain unsolved as the Orange politicians cut deals with oligarchs and a civil service full of Kuchma-era staff, while the romance of November 2004 drains away.

"There are no angels in Kiev," an EU diplomat said, commenting on the current political scene. "People are mainly interested in economic growth, and by and large they care much less about [foreign policy issues such as ] NATO membership," the ICPS added.
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