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Old 12-30-2004, 12:55 AM
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I figured out where you were coming from the other day. You're an IndyMedia.com style anti-globalist.
:-? Well you seem to have figured partly wrong! Although you got the anti Globlist part right, where you got the idea that i was an anarchist I dont know!
Really i stated at the start of the thread that i was an associate larouche movement member. Apart from that i also attend a Pentacostal christian church.Does that still look anarchist to you!.

I stated the larouche part in white and grey in the opening post.That should have been crystal clear, not for some it seems.

More importantly I am just a cynical individual, peer pressure as lttle to do with who I am!.
I think for myself I never conform 100% mentally to any groups I am associated whether political or religious.
So do the groups i am with associated with think I make great member or attender probly not because i keep my own counsel on not all but certainly the most important moral and political issues to myself. Spirit filled churches dont usually push any political affliation anyway and nor should they!.

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For those who don't know, IndyMedia is collectivists with a few anarchists opposed to globalization and privatization
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Indy media is not an organisation it simply a forum much like this site with the exception of being hosted on open source servers where people with similar ideologies post issues.Personally although i can see the loose social morals sometimes displayed i have no problem with anti establishment and anti globlist sentiment and niether should anyone here from what i can gather except for the wacky ultra capos!.

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Where part of the confusion comes is that IndyMedia was created by and continues to receive it's funding from the Robber Baron Foundations
To be honest I have never thought about who is behind it much. Because i have never met any of these radicals associated with it.
However if you claim this is the case can you link me to some evidence to prove this otherwise why should i believe your idle reactionary slurs on what i see as honest possibly misguided youth simply searching for answers much like people on this forum are searching for answers!.
With the exception of being from a different age group and differnt financial and lifestyle position in the capo hiearchy!.

Possibly some of you here should not be so judgemental towards those under thirty unless you intend to keep it some kind of digruntled old mens club!So far you seem to be doing just that and iam not surprised!.
Further i wonder just how many of you are members of political parties and groups and not idly criticising without taking concrete action in the real world.
It is always better to be fair dinkum than some kind of whinging hobbyist behind your keyboard. Atleast these young activists get out on the streets which is more than can be said for some middle aged conservatives! Who expect to change fate from the comfort of their keyboards!

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So you need to ask a question.
Show me the evidence then we will discuss it not until! :-?

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Old 12-30-2004, 01:19 AM
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Ozzie,

Your reading comprehension skills exceed your grasp of history.
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Old 12-30-2004, 06:15 AM
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This revolution is an ongoing evolution of Capitalism into Socialism, which will eventually lead to the implementation of a self-regulating, classless society. In essence Capitalism, Socialism and Communism are integeral parts of the same perpetual procedure.
:-P There we have it a self regulating classless society. Self regulating sounds pretty capitalist to me rather than some over bearing government regulation. So where do some of you get the idea this is somehow socialist in character at all. After reading through the feature i dont see any socialist style policies not even mild government intervention.What it shows me is an ultra capitalist conspiracy or plutocracy of keeping the wealth in the hands of the most Elite group.Nothing new to me there.

Could it be that the difference of semantics of political and ecnomic terms between the U.S and more anglo countries like Australia is blurring our understanding of terms, thus leading to unnecessary misunderstandings and disagreement because to be honest, on most issues here i agree with you guys. But seems it is more a matter of semantics with terms.For example take the term Liberal in Australia it means the conservative party or the local party that has most incommon with Free trade style economic polices and therefore Globalisation.

In the U.S i believe it means almost the opposite for example those on the left like Kerry or clinton who believe in open slather for loose social morality like Gays and abortion on demand but have slightly more moderate economic polices you see the confusion these terms are causing between us.

The Permanent Revolution is the continual process of War, Revolution, and Terror intended to facilitate the global proliferation of a specific and unified Anglo/British Capitalism based on the precepts of the Fabian Society (founded in the mid 1880s). The objective is the creation of a Free Market Economy (Economic Democracy) based on international Free Trade through the United Nation's General Agreements on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) and its evolutionary offspring the World Trade Organization (WTO).

Well i agree with you here.I am also against that!

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International Free Trade requires the explicit destruction of National Sovereignty. The final goal is the perfection of a highly organized and technologically advanced Capitalism. This Capitalism will only reach its perfection when it has evolved into Socialism. Once this perfected Corporate Socialism dominates all global economic activity then it will be possible to create the economic, political, social and moral conditions to make possible the emergence of a self-regulating, classless society directed by a Dictatorship over the Proletariat.
Yep i realise that and iam also against that!
The only thing is in the post modern sense of word the prolateriat will probly be white collar rather than blue collar worker perhaps they will be more middle class rather than prolateriat in this scenario just to revise Marx for the post industrial era of service and information industries.

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In 1980 Ronald Reagan was elected likewise as president. At that time he was incorrectly considered by many of this nation as on the conservative Right wing extreme, determined to end 50 years of the liberal Left wing East Coast Establishment dominance of the American government. He believed in a strong military posture, tax cuts to stimulate an economy in severe recession, draconian tariff reductions and was anti-Communist (that still never existed).
Against Reagan so am i so it seem s your no Market Libertarian like some nut jobs here good on you in agreemant so far! contin..

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In 2000 George W. Bush was also "elected" president. At that time Bush was hailed as a World Conservative being politically right of center and determined to spread the fruits of "the American way of life." He believes in a strong military, radical tax cuts to stimulate an economy in severe crisis, total elimination of tariffs globally and with the fake Communism defeated by Reagan no one is able to recognize the implementation of true Communism.
Against GWB so am i. In agreement once again another Freetrade libertarian style warmonger!.


So after all that where do we disagree except for the minor issue of semantics in ideological and ecnomic terms!By far we are in agreement bro! :-)

I am an Austrlian larouche supporter here read some of his policies he is an american that believes in real platonic Rebublic not a fake plutocracy posing as a Republic which i believe you currently have.!

http://larouchepub.com/index.html

btw despite what i said 789 in another post just to piss him/her off iam not monarchist i like republics but real republics!. :-)
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Old 12-30-2004, 12:39 PM
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Ozziecynic.. I like Larouche, I also like Charlie Reese, and Pat Buchanan.. Somehow the far "left" and the Far "right" are closer together than they are to the center.. and the center is now "The Third Way". If fellow S.B. member Kerry would have been elected, The policies would be exactly the same.

What I don't like about the American political system, is the deception of "Third Way" guys in Bush's cabinet, that pretend that they are conservatives, when they are the very face of Global Communism. They deny knowing anything about the IDU, of Fabian Socialism, (incremental small steps towards Communism), and yet they attend IDU meetings.

The Administration says it is fighting Wars for freedom.. when it is really fighting Wars for Slavery.. And the insiders know it.They say it is a war on terrorism, but it is a war against any threat to their plans for Globalism.
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Old 12-30-2004, 12:49 PM
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Ozziecynic.. I like Larouche, I also like Charlie Reese, and Pat Buchanan.. Somehow the far "left" and the Far "right" are closer together than they are to the center.. and the center is now "The Third Way". If fellow S.B. member Kerry would have been elected, The policies would be exactly the same.

What I don't like about the American political system, is the deception of "Third Way" guys in Bush's cabinet, that pretend that they are conservatives, when they are the very face of Global Communism. They deny knowing anything about the IDU, of Fabian Socialism, (incremental small steps towards Communism), and yet they attend IDU meetings.

The Administration says it is fighting Wars for freedom.. when it is really fighting Wars for Slavery.. And the insiders know it.They say it is a war on terrorism, but it is a war against any threat to their plans for Globalism.

well said sablefish

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Old 12-30-2004, 02:38 PM
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>> This revolution is an ongoing evolution of Capitalism into Socialism, which will eventually lead to the implementation of a self-regulating, classless society.

In your dream, perhaps. (Or, if God sets up residence on this planet and manages His property by Himself)
Permanent revolution was invented to keep the masses in permanent turmoil, not to settle them down in a wonder land. And all the bullies, robber barons, captains of industry, etc., will just quietly settle down next to the replicator and sip synthetic whisky and watch some holo-show.

There is no evolution of species, and there is no evolution of societies. Society doesn't have genes that force it to develop into something without, or even in spite of, its own volition. The alleged evolution of stone-age communal societies into slave holding societies, then into feudalism, than to capitalism, then to socialism, then to communism is an invention of Marx. Socialism was given to us by aristocrats and monopoly capitalist. It wasn't some sort of natural development, desired by the masses down below. (Socialism can only survive on the back of capitalism, otherwise there is no one to tax for the socialist programs. There is no socialism in Bangladesh because there is no capitalism there, either)

What did the people want before the Great French Revolution :

I. The French government is monarchic.
II. The person of the King is inviolable and sacred.
III. His crown is hereditary from male to male.

On these three Points the cahiers were unanimous, and the great majority were agreed on the following :

IV. The King is the depositary of the executive power.
V. The agents of authority are responsible.
VI. The royal sanction is necessary for the promulgation of the laws.
VII. The nation makes the laws with the royal sanction.
VIII. The consent of the nation is necessary for loans and taxes.
IX. Taxes can only be imposed from one meeting of the States-General to another.
X. Property is sacred.
XI. Individual liberty is sacred.

[ From Nesta Webster's "The French Revolution"
http://www.yamaguchy.netfirms.com/webster/frenchrev/fr_rev_01.html ]


And what did they get from the top down, oh-so-educated revolutionaries ? We know very well.

It is not the people who want internationalism and socialism (especially not spontaneously), but subversive elements spreading subversive ideas among the people. And these subverters are generally not working class individuals (they are too busy earning a living), but petite bourgeois, paid for by some big bourgeois.

It was not natural development, but brutal force that made the government in Washington the monster it became. And it is hook and crook, lie and cheat that is used to set up that monster government in Brussels.

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And what was the old Atlantis ? We don't have much information, from what I read it was a bee-hive-like slave state in which the state was god, and the worship of the state was the mandatory state religion. There was a ruling class, a drone (civil servant) class, and a whole bunch of worker bees. The island of Atlantis ruled over a planet-wide empire.
In any case, this is exactly what they are preparing for us these days.

A slave owner (or a dog owner for that matter) protects his investment and takes it to a doctor (or veterinarian) occasionally; he also trains (or takes him to obedience school) his slave to be an useful tool. So is the socialist/slave state. It takes the children from the parents and sends them to early child-care, day-care, this school that school, and train him/her to be an useful speaking tool. For the purpose of school is not just to teach the children to read and write and arithmetic, but to raise them up to a fine piece of cog in the machinery of the state.
So much for public education and health care and public housing.

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Today it is the same. People claim to be opposed to the new world order, yet they don't know what it is; and accept, what's more embrace, the socialism that the nwo brought to us; the same socialism which is but a stage on our way to the nwo (communism), universal republic.


The opposite of the NWO is a small nation-state with a small and limited government; Something like Switzerland. Or the ward system that was desired by Jefferson, but could not achieve.
[Letter to John Cartwright, June 5, 1824; to Joseph Cabell 1816, February 2.]


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Old 12-30-2004, 03:59 PM
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Nesta Webster, so cool. Most of her work has been (correctly) proven to be wrong but it does show how secret societies (do) operate.
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Pine Gap has you pegged .. you are a walking advertisement of governments gone wild

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Pine gap links awith fringe benefits

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"We know have a plethora of speculation such as;

Pine Gap Australia's Area 51.
Pine Gap "torture and electronic mind control of US Citizens"
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:-? With all this constant talk of communism and internationalism of the trotsky variety which is what i assume you mean! You dont seem to realise that Liberalism has an internationalist element all of its own which never involved trotskyite socialism.
Liberalism has a Universalist school of thought which has nothing to do with socialism and developed indepnedently from it!.However it has everything to do with international Free trade!.
Really I think to call it communism and socialism is incorrect!.Because there is nothing socialist about the world and its present state of affairs although there is plenty of evidence of Ultra monopoly capitalism.
To deny this is to bury your head in your imaginary mccarthyite paranioa which has more cediability fifty years ago than it does in the 21st century and I think the majority would agree!.

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It is not the people who want internationalism and socialism (especially not spontaneously), but subversive elements spreading subversive ideas among the people. And these subverters are generally not working class individuals (they are too busy earning a living), but petite bourgeois, paid for by some big bourgeois.
789 I thought you were a member of the petit bourgoise.Didnt you describe yourself as being a small business in another thread in which you attacked me for simply existing!.
It would be helpful to get your definition of working class. Despite all your claims that I am a marxist( I am definately Not) I dont believe in such thing as working class you apprently do!.

I believe that Marxist crap become irrelevant after the post industrial era.The process began roughly after 1973 when post modern capitalism gradually evolved from being industrially based and blue collar to being service and information based and white collar.Also the flexible nature of the modern capitalist workforce being casualised and contract based.
There is no working class in the marxist definition anymore. It has all been outdated that is one of the reasons why most modern marxists are more like Democratic socialists than revolutionary radicals because there ideology is so irrelevant in the post modern world they had no other option but to become more moderate and move to the centre!. :-?
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Thochancep:
What are you on about?
If governments have gone wild it is because they are neo Corporatist kind of like Mussolinis Italy or Nazi Germany not because they are socialist. Corporatism has more to do with capitalism and especially Fascism than it does with Socialism.
Just look into it for yourself instead of attacking me due to your own limted understanding frustrated ignorance!.
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