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Old 01-03-2005, 06:34 PM
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What part of "The French Revolution" or "Secret Societies and Subversive Movements" was proven to be wrong ?

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Old 01-05-2005, 10:20 PM
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Thochancep:What are you on about? If governments have gone wild it is because they are neo Corporatist kind of like Mussolinis Italy or Nazi Germany not because they are socialist. Corporatism has more to do with capitalism and especially Fascism than it does with Socialism.Just look into it for yourself instead of attacking me due to your own limted understanding frustrated ignorance!.
Ozzie you are fighting about a useless issue here
Its like asking a cop to be tasered when you could have had the mase.
No government institution works, no model , mode or idea can make any sense.
Its a pointless stupid issue that makes no sense.
How would you like to be controlled today?
What amount of tax is acceptable to you?

Its all about the mass of populations and not the few who try to control them.

2004 election , Bush vs. Kerry , proves we are in a technocracy anyways.
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Old 01-06-2005, 11:17 AM
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on the assumption that your initial post was an honest question and your aim is simply to decipher the rhetoric,cut through the endless bullshit and figure out what the hell is going on in the world , i will give you my take on what the NWO is .

first of all ,i am not a political science major so i may be technically inaccurate in my understanding of various "isms" . totalitarianism i do understand .total control over our lives by monolithic government . tyranny . there are various forms ,china/north korea-type marxism,the fascism of nazi germany and italy in the 30's and 40's ,far left and far right to some ,but totalitarian states all.absolute power ,rule by brute force .

the NWO is the planned globalist state ,a totalitarian state where the rights we have ,if any, are determined by the rulers in government and can therefore be revoked at their discretion .no national sovereignty, no bill of rights . a global state where the international bankers and the multi-national corporations finally achieve their goal .an absolute monopoly .there was a movie that illustrated this perfectly,though probably many didn't get it .it was "the matrix" .in the scene where morpheus was introducing neo to the matrix ,we're the little batteries .they need us to build their cars and keep their electricity turned on, to fuel their airplanes and grow their food ,so they'll give us enough to keep us doing those things ,just like they do now ,but you and me ozzie ,we are nothing more than the little batteries .that's the NWO the way i see it .
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Old 01-08-2005, 07:23 PM
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on the assumption that your initial post was an honest question and your aim is simply to decipher the rhetoric,cut through the endless bullshit and figure out what the hell is going on in the world , i will give you my take on what the NWO is .
Its alright i dont expect you to believe the honesty of anyones cyber persona without some level of cyncism.I do the same myself.After all its just a Global online forum hosted by a questionable web server with plenty of commercial advertising to boot, amongst all this radical esoteric and mind altering conspiracy revelation. :lol:. But do hope the resident feds(au) asio cia or nsa travellers are impressed by my knowledge and critical ability :-D

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first of all ,i am not a political science major so i may be technically inaccurate in my understanding of various "isms" . totalitarianism i do understand .total control over our lives by monolithic government . tyranny . there are various forms ,china/north korea-type marxism,the fascism of nazi germany and italy in the 30's and 40's ,far left and far right to some ,but totalitarian states all.absolute power ,rule by brute force .
We already have that right now under the guise of the pragmatic all powerful USA. As you may have seen on certain conspiracy sites and atleast one thread on this forum the Bush family dynasty themselves have been implicated in financing Fascists in the 1920s and 1930s (Prescott Bush eg Union Banking co, GI Farben Co, Ford, IBM ) also Pinnochet in Chile and their more personal satanic endevours like the skull and bones connection of several high level figures in the u.s admin.
So in what position is the U.S neo corporatist empire to talk of Freedom over totalitarianism.

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the NWO is the planned globalist state ,a totalitarian state where the rights we have ,if any, are determined by the rulers in government and can therefore be revoked at their discretion .no national sovereignty, no bill of rights . a global state where the international bankers and the multi-national corporations finally achieve their goal .an absolute monopoly .there was a movie that illustrated this perfectly,though probably many didn't get it .it was "the matrix" .in the scene where morpheus was introducing neo to the matrix ,we're the little batteries .they need us to build their cars and keep their electricity turned on, to fuel their airplanes and grow their food ,so they'll give us enough to keep us doing those things ,just like they do now ,but you and me ozzie ,we are nothing more than the little batteries .that's the NWO the way i see it .
I agree with the above assesment but you seem to be stating it as though it is a future prophecy.The fact is it is already here right now! It is no future prophecy in the manner you seem to describe it!.As a non american i think and feel Globalisation is the culture of the U.S and none other. As you are a nth american you probly dont realise just how much the U.S style commerical culture as changed our domestic Australian culture and image since atleast the 1970s. But I do notice it!. :-?
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Old 01-08-2005, 07:48 PM
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Ozzie,

I understand exactly what you mean. I went to an area of London and I could have sworn I was back in California. The architecture, the shops, the businesses, the beautiful people, the bullshit.

When I came back this time to Nova Scotia in 2003 it felt more like California here too - it was the cociane kind of attitude I was sensing.

I understand now, what you are saying and yes you are right. The American culture of greed is being exported and imported globally. But who developed this idea? I do not believe it was corporate America solely.

I believe the NWO has been a very long running agenda, long before America was concieved as a nation, the bankers were placing all their ducks in a row and crossing their I's and T's.

I think just like ING globalised banking/Insurance fraud was birthed, here in Nova Scotia, globalised greed was an agenda and a social programming experiment that was bestowed up American citizenry, before the birth of the American Corporate machine.

The Global machine is the exact same picture as its smaller American sibling, just on a much larger global scale.

Are the American population and the U.S. government just the lead role in the WWF x-rated soap opera - As the World Burns A.K.A. globalisation? I believe they are literally the Oliver North, for the world.


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Old 01-10-2005, 05:25 AM
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:-) Thanks for the support Mary.Iam glad we have been able to see eye on something!
I have only one question as canack why do feel so much sympathy for the U.S i thought canacks where fiercely independent of their southern imperial neighbour!.

Despite the similar twangy accent :lol:
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Old 01-10-2005, 07:58 AM
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I have sympathy for any country that has been brainwashed by their media and politicians, as bad as the U.S.A. has been lied to and decieved. Children are dumbed down through public education - no doubt.

The U.S. are assaulted with this shit, more than any other country of people's. I have to feel compassion for someone who does not realise what the truth is and is living a lie.

I will also point out that our politicians and our Canadian way of life is just as messed up as the U.S. Our local media is becoming ABC and CNN feed. Disturbing to say the least. canada is no better and just as involved in these dirty deeds as the U.S. Canada is just as guilty as the next country.

I guess when the Russian taxi driver can tell me that he came to Canada because he believed the propaganda... that is saying something.

I've been trying to understand your point of view because it is so different and to me, most relavent. You are looking from the outside into North America.

I think the U.S. is going to be financially collapsed and sent into an insane financial depression. I have to have compassion for the American families who foolishly gambled their wages, investing in the stock markets. When they are crashed?

I have to have compassion for those who were too greedy in purchasing their homes, modesty was not on the cards, as when the insurance rates sky-rockets, many families will be homeless; middle class people without the coping skills of the poor. There is hell coming to the states and it's called civil war.

Imagine a suburban ghetto? Paints an ugly picture.

I have had many visions of civil war in the American cities. I have to have compassion for them, like I do the families in Faluja, Iraq. There are many victims - innocent and guilty alike.

Civil war has already begun in the inner cities of the U.S. and it is here in my canadian home town too.

Children in some areas, are put to bed with the gunfire explained away from "They're starting the boat races, hun, goto sleep" to "You are not allowed out, you might get shot."

I guess my compassion truly lies with the children and the children need the adults so I have to have compassion for their ignorant asses too. That's just the way I think and believe and live my life.

I am a firm believer in what goes around comes around and the U.S.A. is not the lead bitch in my books. Just another co-conspirator.

Your thoughts please?

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Old 01-10-2005, 01:23 PM
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and where does your anti-american bullshit come from ? this is not an american thing-it's roots are european,if anything . we in america who believe in freedom and self-determination are being victimized along with everyone else. your characterization of US culture being one and the same with globalism(NWO) is indicative of your apparent hatred of america . your country wouldn't be as free as it is ,nor would the rest of the world, without the influence of the USA over the last 200 or so years .it just so happens that the economic freedom here built tremendous wealth(which our international bankers have just about siphoned off)and the affluence in america is probably most responsible for our culture influencing that of the rest of the free world to such a degree . our culture,incidently,has been deteriorating at a rapid rate due in part to the strategic planning of the globalist-controlled media and government. multi-cultural rhetoric along with massive immigration has left only a fragment of the american culture i grew up with .the US government deserves to be demonized ,as you seem more than willing to point out, but not only on points of foreign policy ,but domestic as well,possibly even more so . we are getting screwed at least as much as you are . you are obviously well-educated ...it appears you have swallowed some of the poison spewed forth by your fat socialist professors so that now ,capitalism and america are the scapegoats to all the world's problems . to that i say BS ! free market capitalism is responsible for the level of comfort you and i live in,a level unimaginable only a couple generatios ago, and is an essential to a free society . but while no one was looking,with the help of our elected officials(traitors) ours became a monopolistic capitalism and that is a monster that threatens to consume us all .
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Old 01-13-2005, 07:16 AM
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and where does your anti-american bullshit come from ? this is not an american thing-it's roots are european,if anything .
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:-? American Economists like Milton Friedman etc. a Monetarist economist and others in the chicago school of ecnomics in the 1970s are very much the brains trust of Laissez faire style Liberalism globally and they are all american. This style of Capitalism is what most plebians know as Free trade or Globalisation!.
But added to this many American Libertarians have also added fruit loops like Ayn Rand and Fredrich Hayek to their Ecnomic rationalist dogma and have made it the modus operendi of post modern capitalism for the b boomers and all proceeding generations.
The difference for me personally is my folks are older than the b boomer gen so never fell into this Greed is good mentality which seems to come more from the US than anywhere else!.So to answer your question thats where it comes from!.

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you are obviously well-educated ...it appears you have swallowed some of the poison spewed forth by your fat socialist professors so that now ,capitalism and america are the scapegoats to all the world's problems . to that i say BS ! free market capitalism is responsible for the level of comfort you and i live in,a level unimaginable only a couple generatios ago, and is an essential to a free society .
Speak for yourself it has created no such comfort or good life for me! For employees that is what i have been for most of life.A Free trade economy is bad news for industrial relations and all kinds of issues related to wages and causalisation outsourcing etc.
For business i suppose it is good!. But capitalism needs both chiefs and indians both consumers and producers so to have all entrepenurs is just as stupid as having all workers. Empolyees need rights too!.
A good capitalist economy in my mind would be a good mixture of both not extremes of one or the other. I am not from a rural area nor was my father a business man he was a civil servant so I am not likely to have any entrepenurial habits in my conditioning.

I am not sure what kind of segment of the american demograhic is represented on this forum but it seems after being here atleast a month a good proporation are disgruntled small enterprise owners!.
In this case i cant really claim to understand all your concerns only those that seem more powerful than both of us. I am probly less powerful than you.
So i am being screwed by the system more than you any day.In many ways people like yourself are the system and represent it from my standpoint so why would we have the same interests!.
Your interests are not necessarily mine.Why would you assume they are. The forum sets no limitations on these issues so until it does i would expect certain degree of diversity on here!. :-?
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Old 01-13-2005, 10:32 AM
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American Economists like Milton Friedman etc.
See that's the thing Ozz. You need to learn your history. Friedman can be tied to the Rockefeller's, Adam Smith ("the father of free trade") and the Austrian School of Economics.

By now you should have googled "ruskin webb wells Rhodes", now you should take a look at "corn laws".
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