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Old 01-16-2005, 09:21 AM
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actually the thread is not over my head-oh yeah,and the responses were generally poor,too. no,they just didn't agree with your opinions ...and you were unable to make your case and to intelligently(or respectfully) answer my responses. you were in it over your own head . go ahead and close it. i understand.

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Old 01-16-2005, 08:47 PM
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You cant close it! I just got here! :-(

And to think, i passed over this thread 30 times on my way to comment about UFO's! :-o

A good old fashioned Oz/Yank stoush! Just like the good old WW2 days! :-x

It looked like an all in brawl was about to break out but the Ozster lowered his sword...of well. 8-)

Shame. It's not a bad thread and no "Get Thee Behind Me Satan" in sight.

Mind you it was 2 against 1...dont worry OC, i'm here now! :-)

The idea of the thread was a good one. There are lots of inconsistent posts myself included. But OC it aint Liberty Forum or Indy Media...it's..."Club Conspiricy".

In the end..what free market? What Socialism? What name do we want to give to the games of the same old Elite who've been running things for the last 5000 years?

True, some free market for the plebs but most certainly not for the real players. They'd drop instantly dead at the thought of competition! Competition!!!! get thee behind me Satan!!!!!

All business people seek to monopolise their cash cow. Some are better at it than others. Some lack the resources, some just ar'nt nasty enough.

I doubt their is a single legitimate business man who brings in big dollars. Not one! If you have a conscience then take up nursing.

I agree that there are too many labels. I hate them though you have to use them at times.

I am a Libertarian at heart. I prefer human being with common sense and heart or HBCSH for short.

I admire the principles laid down in the greatest set of modern writings to date. The U.S constitution and The Bill of Rights.

When the founding fathers (no they were not saints...jeeeez what do you want) laid it out a collective gasp was audible through Europe... "What! No Kings to rule ordained by God"!

That individuals were made in the image of God and had certain INALIENABLE rights given directly by God...wow! This had never been laid out like this before.

Can you imagine the Elite of Europe? Yikes!!! Better put a lid on that one! And they've been at it ever since.

The "Elite" or Plato's philosopher Kings are the only ones fit to rule. If you allow the peasants a say there will be chaos and they've been subverting popular movements ever since. Whats the old saying about the cynical Elites with regards the common people..."They who poke out the peoples eyes then complain they cannot see".

They are doing it now by subverting the middle class and destroying the social fabric of America with endless wars and threat of war through their scum lackey's like Bush and co. There is no NWO rift.

If the free market were to rain then the U.S would collapse overnight. They would rebuild and become a primary producer with all it's high tech and heavy industry gone...gone.. gone...even then the U.S only competes globally on primary production with huge tax payer subsidies and when you consider the same conglomerates pay no tax you begin to see where the revoloution should begin.

Japan would take over high tech industrial development. China manufacturing etc...etc...

The Pentagon budget is pivotal to U.S dominence. Not only does it provide the brute muscle for the world Mafioso but is a complete tax payer funded wrought for the high tech industry.

There would be NO Silicon Valley with out the Red threat.

Just how pervasive is the Pentagon budget? A friend based in the U.S is a Vetinarian, researcher. They got $700,000 funding for some whacky experiemnts for the Pentagon on using dogs for various tasks.

Not much use for the Pentagon but very useful for pharmaceutical companies and those linked to veterinary sciences. Who knows what it's actually for.

A great way to stimulate your economy.

The only "ism" that goes some way to describing the economic system is "Centralized Command & Control Economy"...State run. The corporate's own the State...some call it...FASCISM. One step further is who owns and finances the corporates?

Some call it Dictatorship. Some, "Manufactured Consent" of the Elite over the peasantry.

Others "Fuedalism". Perhaps more honest.

I just call it the rich and powerful lauding it over the mass like they always have.

They do it because we let them.

I am NO Socialist but class warfare works for me. If some one owns the means of production they weild great power. The peasants want a say in who controls and benefits from the means of production and that is why we have 9-11 and the NWO and all the chaos we see at the moment.

The owners of the planet plan on staying the owners and to that end they will have to cull the population of the planet and introduce a draconian police state to end ALL dissent once and for all.

Some will like the brain chips and the compulsary Prozac.

The NWO and alot of peasants who want to stay innocent children, are up against Mother Nature and God.

Gods plan is to populate the Universe with thinking compassionate beings made in his/her own image.

An 'Elite' who have always been, want to maintain the status quo and plan to use a system based on the numbers 6-6-6 to do it.

I plan to fight them out of sheer arrogance that a nancy boy, uni grad, homo, paedophile, coke snorting fool is going to dictate the terms of my God given right to exist in this space time continuum.

If it's unto death so be it. They should know many every day people will fight even unto death. These are ultimate values and are not for sale.

Genuine and Sincere best to all.

Brendon O'Connell. My real name. They have our I.P's anyway.

Fuck em.
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Old 01-16-2005, 09:20 PM
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Well said, Brendon. It's good to know I go shoulder to shoulder with people like you in this struggle.
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Old 01-16-2005, 09:40 PM
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Yo OC...spewing I missed it!

I saw that thread a dozen times!

I dont think there was actually much difference in what you and the others were saying.

We see things very differently from the U.S. We may speak the same language but we are very different people and at the same time alike in many ways.

The problem is that true socialism/anarchism has never been practised. Always these movements are subverted.

I actually dont want any "ism".

In the end the world is being brought to the brink by a combo of both socialism for the rich and ultra free trade capitalism for the poor.

I like the idea in some ways of ultra free trade capitalism but with rules. If it's going to enrich a few at the expense of the many than it's not on. I mean selling your son and daughter off as child prostitutes would certainly make sense when trying to make ends meet but do we do it? Do we need a rule or an "ism" to tell us that it's wrong?

OC I understand your disapointment with Howard getting in but would you want Latham in? Can a man with such a firm handshake be trusted?

I mean he got in anyway as Howard stole all his public policy from our Lefty dreamer idealist with the firm handshake in the end.

And besides, would you want all those boat people getting in? They may have started a "throw your children overboard" craze...oh thats right it did'nt happen but never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn eh Johnny?

I would vote Latham and Labor for one reason only. Any politition who publicly calls the government of the day..."a conga line of arse lickers" gets my vote immediately. :-D :-D :-D :-D
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Old 01-16-2005, 10:32 PM
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Freeman, i hate to sound grandiose when speaking of life and death but they should know that ordinary people will ultimately put their lives on the line if push comes to shove.

Life is good here in Oz still.

We can still have our say.

Our state apparatus has not been as subverted as in the U.S.

Time will tell.

Ultimately the U.S and it's Constitution is all that stands in the way of the NWO.

How ironic and indeed typical that as part of this, working class Americans are fighting for a wealthy Elite against wroking class Iraqi's.

It shows the good nature of the American people that Bush and Co must lie through their teeth to get the American public to fight.

Now that the lie is exposed the American fighting man/woman is refusing to fight. The first real cracks are appearing.

Before we bag the Yanks over Iraq (i dont mean you OC) we must remember the average American is like most of us...decent, and finds it hard that a human being can lie with such a straight face...Bush Rumsfeld, Cheyney et al...

I hope one day ordinary people all over the world pin point exactly who the enemy is.

It aint China, or Russia, or North Korea or England or Europe or Spicks or Spades or fat people but the ELITE.

The ELITE, the Philosopher Kings of Plato born to rule. The Political, Business and Intellectual Elite. They cross all borders and all bounderies of race, religion age and sex.

Their Minions are everywhere. Be they Masons, Illuminati, Uni Professors, the tax exempt foundations, Feminists, Police Cheifs, Social commentators, News Paper editors, Media Magnates, Think Tanks...they all share the same philosophical foundation...that common people are a nusience and "Benevolent Fascism" is the way, backed by a global police state to enforce the rules and laws of the elite run and administered, New World Order, whose moral foundation will be "Secular Humanism" aka: common sense thought up by man and subject to mortal mans whims.

The "Benevolent Dictatorship" will only stay benevolent as long as the population is docile.

When Prozac, Lies and the manufacture of consent is no longer possible out will come the Gulags.

Then it's on for young and old.

Without fear or hesitation, if it comes to it, i will fight and die rather than submit.

I will submit only to God. No mere mortal deserves our submission.

That goes for the State that stopped serving us long ago, if it ever did.

I still hold out hope it will not come to that.

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Old 01-17-2005, 12:50 AM
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TB

you see things the way i do. it's not socialism but fascism .or at least more like that than anything else .

so far,there are so many in the USA who are kind of naive.and that's not necessarily a bad thing. we want to believe in the inherent goodness of others . we are honest .we expect others to be honest. it's a rude awakening to one day realize most of what you know is bullshit. it's "the matrix" and we are the little batteries.

most of the people i know still think it's the republicans vs democrats or the conservatives vs liberals when those distractions obscure the fact that it's us vs them . so far ,the schemes these elitists are using are for the most part working .probably not until the shit hits the fan will the american people wake up.

america is in a state of slumber
(or a stupor). many believe that mr bush is an ok guy and he is doing the best thing for the country .others(mostly liberal democrats) say he is wrong to be in iraq .

i am somewhat dubious about the terrorist thing. on the one hand ,i know the arab peoples are sponsors and perpetrators of terrorism. on the other hand ,i don't know about the world trade center/pentagon official story line. i know there is NOT a conspiracy under EVERY rock but what about this? if the 9/11 thing was terrorists,and the jury's still out on that, then we probably have to clean up in the middle east ,so iraq was a problem,as are syria,iran,libya and perhaps saudi arabia .but then it could be a total scam .was the government complicit(or worse,responsible) in the 9/11 attack? that is so horrible,so mind-numbing, it's too terrible to consider. was it a necessity in the march to a "better world"?

i am still trying to sift through the information(what's legitimate,what is nonsense?) i pick up on the web. it's hard to imagine this level of evil,isn't it ?

probably it will come down to armed resistance. there are too many independent-spirited people in the USA and australia,canada .i just wanted to have some grandchildren ,retire in florida and play golf . well shit.
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Old 01-17-2005, 03:31 AM
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Billiard.

9-11 was a covert op run by the owners of the planet.

Keep reading. There are well referenced volumes explaining it all.

I'm no huge fan of Ruppert and I dont like the Peak Oil agenda he pushes but his book sums it up with plenty of references..."Crossing The Rubicon"

As a thought, just before you go to sleep, consider this...do you really think the most sophisticated, state of the art air defence system in the world was fast asleep? Do you really think a bunch of cave dwelling malcontents pulled this off from a mystical cave in Tora Bora? Do you really think theres a communications device in existence the NSA cannot break?

I could go on for hours...

9-11 has had many affects. Many different levels and many different cliques have benefitted from the various manifestations of this event.

All in all...it's all about keeping you under wraps and distracted.

One day you are gunna wake up and go..."how come I slave for $12.50 an hour and the millionaire I work for does'nt even pay any tax!

Remember those Anti-Globalization protests in Seattle?

You're the enemy. NOT China or anyone else.

They must lock us down NOW.

Do not buy the "Asian Block" is coming crap. Total unequivical crap.

They all love each other very, very much.
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Old 09-13-2006, 08:49 PM
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:-? :-? This forum calls itself the NWO yet many posters seem confused and differ in their understanding of just what the NWO is exactly and the method being used at the present time in history to bring us the allegedly conspired One World State!.

So I would like to simply ask all of you to reply to this post by explaining what you think the NWO is to you and what ideological and hence economic method you believe is being used at the present time to bring us the One World State.Do you think it is domination of Socialism or Ultra Free Trade capitalism.


Some here seem to be happy with the status quo but others here feel threatened by some imaginary socialist plot.

With these different and contradictory positions anyone like myself coming to this site comes away very confused indeed.Especially since I came here thinking I knew what NWO was all about but after several weeks of posting here it is not so clear I do.
I thought NWO was simply another label for Globalistion which i understand to be an ultra capitalist U.S cultural domination not some kind of Socialist state as some deluded posters here seem to be claiming.


I would like definative straight answer if possible because i am begining to feel iam wasting my time posting on this forum so many people are simply not onboard in agreement over anything. I am also coping abuse for posing straight forward questions which i feel i dont deserve.
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It's not as complicated as you put it.


Just look around you, what do you see? If you live in the U.S. like me, you see massive Construction and building going on and on, it seems for at least 20 solid years now, at least where I live (Arizona,) This means that Capitalism is at work, however, Socialism, Communism, Liberalism, are also at work. these 2 forces are not neccessarily in agreement with one another, Liberals seek big Goverment spending, Conservatives seek small limited government, ALMOST all the time SOCIALISM prevails because the Jewish Oligarchy (bankers) want it that way, you can't have a Independent massive body of Capitalist who can become Independent of the OLIGARCHS, thus, they infiltrate the Goverment and Corporate body with trained Communist minded agents to Squash any and all attempts for real independence. (keep in mind I'm trying to keep Conspiracie theories aside.) So as I see it there exist 2 worlds, one where Capitalism is allowed to somewhat flourish (although strictly monitored) and the other Socialsim/Communism where the State and Federal Goverment seek to Rob from the Working Peasantry to keep the non-working population from rioting, 100 years ago in America Socialism/Communism did'nt exist, thus there was more freedom and Independence, The 1913 Jewish Federal Reserve Act changed all that, and as they say THE REST IS HISTORY! :-?
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It's not as complicated as you put it.
Perhaps you're right.

In the end it AINT fascism. If it was the trains would run on time and the U.S would be thriving just as Germany did in the 30's.

The neo-cons are neo-bolsheviks.

Their job is to collapse the U.S economy and foment violent revoloution to bring on the totalitarian apparatus.
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It's not as complicated as you put it.
Oh hello tripper. This is an old thread i have no idea why you decided to revive it!.
However i disagree with your simple explanation of NWO as it is tarnished with your own rightwing leanings!.

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these 2 forces are not neccessarily in agreement with one another,
They are most defininately in agreement not just here in Australia but also globally i believe we have neo corporatism on a global scale. info about all varities corporatism is here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism and just for Nth american posters this link:http://www.counterpunch.org/sullivan02202004.html
it is fascist ideology definiately not leftwing anyone thats thinks its otherwise is a petty rightwinger with rocks in their head.

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You speak only for the US liberals.Liberals is just a term. In Australia Liberals are the neo conservatives.They are very much for small gov, and free markets. The term conservative is almost an oxymoron anyway since the definition has moved over the years.A conservative today is far different to conservative 60 years ago or even 20 years ago at the end the day it means squat except for preserving whatever status quo presently exists.

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and the other Socialsim/Communism where the State and Federal Goverment seek to Rob from the Working Peasantry to keep the non-working population from rioting,
In australia there is no strict dividing line between those working and those not working as both can become either, many working people receive welfare to on top of their working income and many people on welfare work.
So there is no strick us vs them class divide, this is true both for wages slaves and the self empolyed alike at one time or another. This is really not surprising it is afterall the post modern world not 1917 Russia.

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100 years ago in America Socialism/Communism did'nt exist, thus there was more freedom and Independence, The 1913 Jewish Federal Reserve Act changed all that, and as they say THE REST IS HISTORY! :-?
So are you trying to tell me the jews(i pefer term illuminati like makow) are not running the US right now! Youd have to be joking!.The talmud inspired illuminati are all about free trade and banking the pro capitalist environment at the present time is gold for them not some pseudo socialist regulatory system like most of the world had under the fabians with the Bretton Woods agreement.

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In the end it AINT fascism. If it was the trains would run on time and the U.S would be thriving just as Germany did in the 30's.
The neo-cons are neo-bolsheviks.
:roll: Another so called educated statement from the self appointed professor of cc & old sparing partner from the West!:-? What will he come up with next.So what did you say your chief form of income was at the moment TB.
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