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Old 04-09-2005, 05:07 PM
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I had to learn the truth one way or another. What better way than that?

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Old 04-09-2005, 05:19 PM
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Exactly.
But suffering is nothing I recommend to people I care about. If it's the only way to learn though, then so be it.
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Old 04-09-2005, 05:26 PM
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If life were easy and I had achieved all I had ever wanted to achieve, I wonder if I would have come to the same realization going through the shit I've been through. I seriously doubt it. I would probably be just as deluded as those in hollywood. Only through seeing the corruption with my own eyes and being coerced against my will to do theirs did I learn. I got out in April 2001. When 9/11 happened, unlike all the other sheeple who lapped up that Bin Laden bullshit, I had a feeling the government was behind it. After seeing shit like the Patriot Act and the creation of the Dept. Homeland Security, I knew it was only the beginning of worse things to come. In my English Composition I class in school, my teacher asked the question regarding an article in the textbook, "Should we give up some of our freedom for security?" and I was the only one in class who was willing to fight for my freedom. The die has been cast and the rubicon has been crossed. There's no turning back for Amerika. The NWO is already here and all they need is the right major crisis to formerly anounce their existence. Oh shit, I'm ranting again, pardon me:-P
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Old 04-10-2005, 04:13 AM
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Nothing to pardon, you're not ranting. :-)
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Old 04-10-2005, 01:17 PM
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I've been watching clips from Alex Jones' Marshal Law film. If my last post on this thread sounded like an ad, that's why. :-P
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Old 04-21-2005, 01:51 AM
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Hey, true, I suppose Jihad Unspun WAS wrong - they were 2000 off the mark...

<a href="http://www.sfbayview.com/012605/headsroll012605.shtml">Heads roll at Veterans Administration</a>

Mushrooming depleted uranium (DU) scandal blamed

by Bob Nichols

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Considering the tons of depleted uranium used by the U.S., the Iraq war can truly be called a nuclear war.

Preventive Psychiatry E-Newsletter charged Monday that the reason Veterans Affairs Secretary Anthony Principi stepped down earlier this month was the growing scandal surrounding the use of uranium munitions in the Iraq War.

Writing in Preventive Psychiatry E-Newsletter No. 169, Arthur N. Bernklau, executive director of Veterans for Constitutional Law in New York, stated, “The real reason for Mr. Principi’s departure was really never given, however a special report published by eminent scientist Leuren Moret naming depleted uranium as the definitive cause of the ‘Gulf War Syndrome’ has fed a growing scandal about the continued use of uranium munitions by the US Military.”

Bernklau continued, “This malady (from uranium munitions), that thousands of our military have suffered and died from, has finally been identified as the cause of this sickness, eliminating the guessing. The terrible truth is now being revealed.”

He added, “Out of the 580,400 soldiers who served in GW1 (the first Gulf War), of them, 11,000 are now dead! By the year 2000, there were 325,000 on Permanent Medical Disability. This astounding number of ‘Disabled Vets’ means that a decade later, 56% of those soldiers who served have some form of permanent medical problems!” The disability rate for the wars of the last century was 5 percent; it was higher, 10 percent, in Viet Nam.

“The VA Secretary (Principi) was aware of this fact as far back as 2000,” wrote Bernklau. “He, and the Bush administration have been hiding these facts, but now, thanks to Moret’s report, (it) ... is far too big to hide or to cover up!”

“Terry Jamison, Public Affairs Specialist, Office of the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, Department of Veterans Affairs, at the VA Central Office, recently reported that ‘Gulf Era Veterans’ now on medical disability, since 1991, number 518,739 Veterans,” said Berklau.

“The long-term effects have revealed that DU (uranium oxide) is a virtual death sentence,” stated Berklau. “Marion Fulk, a nuclear physical chemist, who retired from the Lawrence Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab, and was also involved with the Manhattan Project, interprets the new and rapid malignancies in the soldiers (from the 2003 Iraq War) as ‘spectacular … and a matter of concern!’”

When asked if the main purpose of using DU was for “destroying things and killing people,” Fulk was more specific: “I would say it is the perfect weapon for killing lots of people!”

Principi could not be reached for comment prior to deadline.

References

1. Depleted uranium: “Dirty bombs, dirty missiles, dirty bullets: A death sentence here and abroad” by Leuren Moret, http://www.sfbayview.com/081804/Depleteduranium081804.shtml.

2. Veterans for Constitutional Law, 112 Jefferson Ave., Port Jefferson NY 11777, Arthur N. Bernklau, executive director, (516) 474-4261, fax 516-474-1968.

3. Preventive Psychiatry E-Newsletter. Email Gary Kohls, gkohls@cpinternet.com, with “Subscribe” in the subject line.
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Old 04-21-2005, 06:31 AM
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Quote:
Draken wrote:
Question is: how many American soldiers are ACTUALLY dying every day and what is the TRUE number of casualties?
Don't know if this is indeed true to fact, but for those that are not familiar with this site:

http://icasualties.org/oif/

also, for other news-flash articles:
http://www.buzzflash.com/BushLied/default.htm
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Old 04-23-2005, 06:03 AM
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Ha, ha...

Direct combat only.

Depleted Uranium is part of the intimidation plan..."not only will we kill you by conventional means...we will poisen your land for the next 200,000 years"...taken directly from that other decent Imperial power Rome who used salt instead.
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Old 04-23-2005, 01:37 PM
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I believe the numbers of dead to be much higher than is being reported. Most reports of attacks are in the capital city, not too much from around the country. The media doesn't know what's going on other than what they can gather from their hotel rooms or what the military tells them. I found a website that has the 'resistance' reports on it, updated every few days. The numbers these people report seem really large and I feel it is inflated as counter propaganda. Maybe the true toll is somewhere in between the official numbers and what that site has. There are also thousands of mercenaries there to consider.

This is a link to the site...

http://www.albasrah.net/moqawama/english/iraqi_resistance.htm

There are some videos and photos on there of attacks too.

I don't support either side, only interested in the truth.
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Old 04-23-2005, 08:04 PM
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Remember...just because American journalists are to scared to leave the hotel room in the green zone does'nt mean other's ar'nt (actually i dont blame them).

Iraq is roughly 1/3 Kurd to the North and peaceful except for car bombs probably set off by Sunni's from the South...Israel is in their hand over foot buying up property and generally rubbing there hands with glee...oooooo so close to the Euphrates boys! Almost there, just a few million more Arabs to get rid of.

The Shit'es to the South are also peaceful except for the occasional car bomb probably set off by Sunni's from the North.

The ENTIRE country is NOT one big conflageration but isoloated mainly to the central Sunni areas of the country.

The Sunni's have alot to lose. The Shit'es a fair bit to gain and the Kurds are just plain over the moon with ecstatic joy.

The casualty reports by any measure are reasonable. I dont doubt their is some form of suppression of numbers. How much...? Simply look over the figures from insurgencies in the past.

It would not take much to get an accurate figure by contacting families. A little money? I hear John Kerry has a few left over shekles from the campaign and the Left could do it...so come on Left! Put up or shut up...get out and get the real numbers!

Think about it...it would be hard to keep the figures suppressed and certainly easy for some one with the cash to do some investigating of their own...i hear they have a free media in the U.S? Maybe they could help? :-P

As for the Arab sites? The vast majority are run by Western intelligence agencies.

Sometimes it pays to read one of those things called b-o-o-k-s. Read the history of casualty numbers. 15,000 is the low end of Russian wave attack territory ala Eastern Front. Not a snow balls chance.

We might not want to replace the bullshit of the Western media with bullshit from the Arab media which in the end is probably Western in origen.

In the end Bush needs the insurgency. Without it? Well, i guess the parade through the "canyon of hero's" can begin.

If the Sunni's are smart they'll back off. Shake hands and grit their teeth.

Accept the fact that the West will not be going away so make friends and smile. Take a leaf out of Ghandi's book and with in a few years U.S forces will have to leave...public pressure gaurantee's it.

Although...there may be a country in the region who would prefer another scenario. This country is financing many groups as they finance there own enemies at home.
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