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Old 08-01-2007, 09:47 PM
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"There were two lanes of traffic, bumper to bumper, at the point of the collapse. Those cars did go into the river," Minneapolis Police Lt. Amelia Huffman said. "At this point there is nothing to suggest that this was anything other than a structural collapse."

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Granted, it's not everyday that an expansive bridge such as this one collapses.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THIS OCCURED?

Convenient, how repairs were being made on it at the time of collapse.

If repairs were being made, wouldn't the structural engineers who determined it was in need of repairs have inspected the bridge to determine its' safety?

What kind of repairs? It sounds like it was in SERIOUS NEED OF MAJOR REPAIRS.

IF THIS IS THE CASE, then it should have been deemed unsafe and CLOSED!!!

IF THE PEOPLE WHO INSPECTED THIS BRIDGE, DETERMINED IT NEEDED REPAIRS AND COULD NOT ASCERTAIN THAT THIS BRIDGE WAS UNSAFE, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY WERE QUALIFIED FOR THE JOB!!

If a bridge of this magnitude can buckle and collapse, IT MUST HAVE BEEN STRUCTURALLY UNSAFE AND IF THERE WERE REPAIRS IN PROCESS, THIS MEANS THE REPAIRS COULD HAVE BEEN THE COVER FOR BOMBS BEING PLACED WITHIN!!!

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Old 08-02-2007, 07:31 AM
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"There were two lanes of traffic, bumper to bumper, at the point of the collapse. Those cars did go into the river," Minneapolis Police Lt. Amelia Huffman said. "At this point there is nothing to suggest that this was anything other than a structural collapse."

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This statement sounds strange.

"Those cars did go into the river."

Why is it that a Minneapolis police Lt. can tell the press that at this point there isn't anything to suggest that it is something other than a STRUCTURAL COLLAPSE?

She knows this so soon after the collapse?

Is she a structural engineer or a police lieutenant?

I've never seen this bridge. But, seriously, a STRUCTURAL COLLAPSE???

Was it built from straw?
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Old 08-02-2007, 04:52 PM
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First of all, it was reported yesterday in an AP story on the internet via YAHOO headlines that the bridge was in the midst of repairs.

NOW THIS:

The White House said an inspection of the 40-year-old bridge in 2005 found problems. The Interstate 35W span rated 50 on a scale of 100 for structural stability and was classified as "structurally deficient," transportation officials said.

In 2005 they found problems. It rated 50 on a scale of 100 for structural stability and TWO YEARS LATER a continued decline in structural stability. What would it have rated two years later; almost three years later?

The designation means some portions of the bridge needed to be scheduled for repair or replacement. "It didn't mean that the bridge is unsafe," Transportation Secretary Mary Peters said.

The designation meant that some portions of the bridge needed to be scheduled for repair or replacement in 2005. It is almost 2008. There years later. How could the rating mean it wasn't unsafe. STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT in 2005 and now it's almost three years later.

Earlier, at the White House, press secretary Tony Snow said while the inspection didn't indicate the bridge was at risk of failing, "If an inspection report identifies deficiencies, the state is responsible for taking corrective actions."

It was stated yesterday in a news story by the AP that the Governor said the bridge was in the midst of repairs.

Gov. Tim Pawlenty on Thursday ordered an immediate inspection of all bridges in the state with similar designs, but said the state was never warned that the bridge needed to be closed or immediately repaired. Another inspection was scheduled for completion in September, and state officials said it has been inspected yearly since 1993.

Now, he's saying that the state was never warned. Well, if a report was issued, who received it? The bridge was deemed 50 on a scale of 100 and was SCHEDULED for another inspection in September. I guess that doesn't matter now. What's the point in inspecting, providing a report that it is structurally deficient almost three years ago, if you're not going to repair and only continue to inspect it every year as it declines further?

"There was no call by anyone that we're aware of that said it should be immediately closed or immediately replaced," Pawlenty said. "It was more of a monitor, inspect, maintain, and potentially replace it in the future."

Maintain it? How can you maintain a bridge that is STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT? Let it decline to the point of collapse while people are driving over it and then replace it in the future!!!! Notice he doesn't mention repair it. Just, monitor as the deficiencies worsen, inspect, and maintain.

Replace it in the future after it collapses. As it did!!
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Old 08-02-2007, 07:06 PM
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By H. JOSEF HEBERT and SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writers
1 hour, 57 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - More than 70,000 bridges across the country are rated structurally deficient like the span that collapsed in Minneapolis, and engineers estimate repairing them all would take at least a generation and cost more than $188 billion.

That works out to at least $9.4 billion a year over 20 years, according to the American Society of Civil Engineers.

The bridges carry an average of more than 300 million vehicles a day.

It is unclear how many of the spans pose actual safety risks. Federal officials alerted the states late Thursday to immediately inspect all bridges similar to the Mississippi River span that collapsed.

In a separate cost estimate, the Federal Highway Administration has said addressing the backlog of needed bridge repairs would take at least $55 billion. That was five years ago, with expectations of more deficiencies to come.

It is money that Congress, the federal government and the states have so far been unable or unwilling to spend.

"We're not doing what the engineers are saying we need to be doing," said Gregory Cohen, president of the American Highway Users Alliance, an advocacy group representing a wide range of motorists.

"Unfortunately when you consistently underinvest in roads and bridges ... this is the dangerous consequence," Cohen said of Wednesday's deadly Mississippi River bridge collapse in Minneapolis. He said engineers have estimated $75 billion a year is needed just to keep highways and bridges from further deterioration, but that only around $60 billion a year is being provided.

Last year, 75,422 of the nation's 597,562 bridges, or about 12.6 percent, were classified as "structurally deficient," including some built as recently as the early 1990s, according to the Federal Highway Administration.

The federal government provides 80 percent of the money for construction, repair and maintenance of the so-called federal-aid highway system including Interstate highways and bridges. But states set priorities and handle construction and maintenance contracts.

A bridge is typically judged structurally deficient if heavy trucks are banned from it or there are other weight restrictions, if it needs immediate work to stay open or if it is closed. In any case, such a bridge is considered in need of considerable maintenance, rehabilitation or even replacement.

Congressional leaders say the number of bridges in need of repair is too high and the funding too low.

There is crumbling infrastructure all over the country, said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., who heads the Senate panel that controls transportation spending, said the Bush administration has threatened vetoes when Democrats try to increase such spending.

White House deputy press secretary Scott Stanzel, declined to address spending and accused the Democrats of using the bridge collapse for partisan purposes.

Democrats were not alone in calling for more bridge funding.

"People think they're saving money by not investing in infrastructure, and the result is you have catastrophes like this," said Rep. Tom Petri, R-Wis., a member of the House transportation committee.

The federal government is now providing about $40 billion a year to improve and expand the nation's highways and bridges.

The main source of revenue for roads and bridges, the federal highway trust fund, is failing to keep up with spending demand. The 18.3 cents a gallon in federal taxes hasn't changed since 1993, and the demand for more fuel-efficient vehicles could affect fuel consumption.

Funding isn't the only issue getting attention after the Minnesota collapse.

Transportation Secretary Mary Peters said in an interview with The Associated Press that she had asked her department's inspector general to evaluate the agency's overall bridge inspections.

According to the Federal Highway Administration, most bridges in the U.S. Highway Bridge Inventory 83 percent are inspected every two years. About 12 percent, those in bad shape, are inspected annually, and 5 percent, those in very good shape, every four years.

The Department of Transportation's inspector general last year criticized the Highway Administration's oversight of interstate bridges. The March 2006 report said investigators found incorrect or outdated maximum weight calculations and weight limit postings in the National Bridge Inventory and in states' bridge databases and said the problems could pose safety hazards. The Highway Administration agreed that improvements in its oversight of state bridge inspections and data were needed.

Incorrect load ratings could endanger bridges by allowing heavier vehicles to cross than should, and could affect whether a bridge is properly identified as structurally deficient in the first place, the inspector general said.

The audit didn't identify any Minnesota bridges or mention the state beyond noting that 3 percent of its bridges were structurally deficient, placing it at the low end among states. It said those bridges were crossed by an average of 30,000 to 40,000 vehicles a day, putting it 13th among the states.

An analysis of 2006 Federal Highway Administration data found that Minnesota bridges were generally in better shape than those in other states. Only about 6 percent of the state's 20,000 bridges were listed as being structurally deficient. In Oklahoma, nearly 27 percent of bridges were cited by the federal government as being structurally deficient.

In Nemaha County in southeastern Nebraska, about 58 percent of 194 bridges are structurally deficient. More than 55 percent of neighboring Pawnee County's 188 bridges are in the same shape. Of the 10 worst-off counties for bridges, seven are in Oklahoma or Nebraska.

On the other end of the scale, at least 10 counties with a significant number of bridges have none that are structurally deficient, according to the latest government statistics. A half-dozen of those are in Texas.

Several governors on Wednesday ordered state transportation officials to inspect particular bridges or review their inspection procedures.

Beyond Minnesota, North Dakota Gov. John Hoeven said his state doesn't have any bridges similar to the Minneapolis bridge but he had asked state officials to review inspection procedures. Presidential hopeful and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson ordered an inspection of several steel-truss bridges in the state. Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano directed state transportation officials to conduct a statewide review, starting with highly traveled bridges in urban areas.

Associated Press writers Jim Abrams, Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Jennifer Kerr in Washington and Frank Bass in East Dover, Vt., contributed to this report.

NOW THAT WE KNOW 70,000 BRIDGES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE RATED STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT, JUST AS THE ONE IN MINNEAPOLIS THAT COLLAPSED, THE NAMES OF THESE BRIDGES AND THEIR LOCATIONS NEED TO BE RELEASED IN THE NAME OF PUBLIC INTEREST!!

HELLO, CONGRESS!!

GEE, MAYBE THAT'S WHY SUBCONSCIOUSLY I'VE ALWAYS BEEN WEARY OF DRIVING OVER BRIDGES WITH THE THOUGHT IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD THAT THEY COULD COLLAPSE!!
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Old 08-03-2007, 09:43 AM
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Just don't see the connection between a senator from Minneapolis and a bridge collapsing as conspiratorial.

Nor, do I see the pictures you posted as evidence that a BOMB went off.

The only conspiracy I see here is that the STATES do not receive enough funding to maintain and repair the bridges that are reported as structurally deficient before they collapse!

I guess we just have to wait for the other 7,000 to collapse during rush hour traffic before they receive funding to rebuild them.

Perhaps their motto is:

"If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Wait for it to collapse."
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Old 08-03-2007, 06:16 PM
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Just don't see the connection between a senator from Minneapolis and a bridge collapsing as conspiratorial.

Nor, do I see the pictures you posted as evidence that a BOMB went off.

The only conspiracy I see here is that the STATES do not receive enough funding to maintain and repair the bridges that are reported as structurally deficient before they collapse!

I guess we just have to wait for the other 7,000 to collapse during rush hour traffic before they receive funding to rebuild them.

Perhaps their motto is:

"If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Wait for it to collapse."
Could you live without conspiracy theories? :-)
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Old 08-03-2007, 07:51 PM
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By Todd Melby
Fri Aug 3, 3:33 PM ET

MINNEAPOLIS (Reuters) - Politicians trying to account for one of the worst bridge collapses in U.S. history cast blame ranging from engineering faults to the Iraq war on Friday, while divers tried to reach the bodies of more victims in the Mississippi River's treacherous waters.

As investigators probed Wednesday's collapse that killed at least five people, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty said outside experts would review the decisions of state engineers to shore up problems with the heavily-traveled 40-year-old bridge in central Minneapolis.

Engineers had decided to periodically inspect the steel superstructure beneath the Interstate 35W bridge and bolt on reinforcing plates where any flaws were found. But that work, which Pawlenty said fit in the state's budget, was postponed by resurfacing and repair work that was going on when the bridge buckled and fell.

"Experts that we rely on, technical experts and engineers, made some decisions about what needed to be done. They thought they were making an appropriate decision for their reasons, and now those decisions will have to be reviewed," Pawlenty said. A private engineering firm had been hired for the review.

"The bridge was declared fit for service," he said. "There will be tough questions asked, including by me, and we will get to the bottom of this."

U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar, a Minnesota Democrat, suggested Bush administration spending on the Iraq war may have crimped funding for domestic projects such as road and bridge construction, and for such infrastructure projects as new levees for New Orleans.

"We've spent $500 billion in Iraq and we have bridges falling down in this country," Klobuchar told MSNBC. "I see a connection between messed-up priorities."

Department of Transportation Secretary Mary Peters said billions of dollars were available for road and bridge repairs.

The bridge was a vital link over the Mississippi River and the most heavily used bridge in Minnesota with roughly 140,000 vehicles passing over each day.

"It is striking the bridge was carrying a load of traffic it was not designed for," said the Democratic Speaker of Minnesota's House, State Rep. Margaret Anderson Kelliher.

Estimates ranged as high as $500 million to rebuild it.

Visiting first lady Laura Bush praised the city's response: "We've seen the strength of your community, and because of that we're confident the bridge will be rebuilt and your city will heal."

President George W. Bush is scheduled to tour the scene on Saturday.

Pawlenty said a special legislative session may be in the offing to address funding to rebuild the bridge. Pawlenty's critics blamed him for vetoing a state gas-tax increase that would have boosted funding for construction projects.

Meanwhile, rescuers spent an entire day extracting the fifth fatality from under mounds of debris, Minneapolis Fire Chief Jim Clack said. He said more victims were certain to be found.

Divers searched submerged cars that tumbled 65 feet (20 meters) into the Mississippi River when the bridge collapsed with a roar.

"This is very dangerous work because the divers can get caught in the debris, some of which is razor-sharp," Clack said.

Divers battled swift currents, and had to feel their way in the muddy waters around twisted steel and chunks of concrete.

"You got gas in there, oil. Besides, the Mississippi River is not the cleanest place. You didn't have any visibility, you just felt," Minneapolis Fire Department diver Raoul Raymose said on CBS' "Early Show."

Hennepin County Sheriff Rich Stanek cautioned that his estimate of eight people still missing was "fluid" and subject to change.

Twenty-four of the nearly 100 people injured in the disaster remained in hospitals, including five who were in critical condition, a hospital spokesman said.
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:44 PM
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Just don't see the connection between a senator from Minneapolis and a bridge collapsing as conspiratorial.

Nor, do I see the pictures you posted as evidence that a BOMB went off.

The only conspiracy I see here is that the STATES do not receive enough funding to maintain and repair the bridges that are reported as structurally deficient before they collapse!

I guess we just have to wait for the other 7,000 to collapse during rush hour traffic before they receive funding to rebuild them.

Perhaps their motto is:

"If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Wait for it to collapse."
Could you live without conspiracy theories? :-)

Every human being on the face of this planet lives with ONE BIG CONSPIRACY against humankind. As I've demonstrated, the collapsed bridge is not a conspiracy in my mind and I'm still breathing, so, yes, I can live without conspiracies and would perfer to do just that as most everyone else in our country and world would.

I certainly wouldn't KILL myself if there weren't any conspiracies. So, again, in answer to your question. Yes, I can live without them, but we are forced to live otherwise by those who have created our reality around them.

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Old 08-03-2007, 10:03 PM
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Quote:
redrat11 wrote:
Quote:
BlueAngel wrote:
Just don't see the connection between a senator from Minneapolis and a bridge collapsing as conspiratorial.

Nor, do I see the pictures you posted as evidence that a BOMB went off.

The only conspiracy I see here is that the STATES do not receive enough funding to maintain and repair the bridges that are reported as structurally deficient before they collapse!

I guess we just have to wait for the other 7,000 to collapse during rush hour traffic before they receive funding to rebuild them.

Perhaps their motto is:

"If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Wait for it to collapse."
Could you live without conspiracy theories? :-)

Every human being on the face of this planet lives with ONE BIG CONSPIRACY against humankind. As I've demonstrated, the collapsed bridge is not a conspiracy in my mind and I'm still breathing, so, yes, I can live without conspiracies and would perfer to do just that as most everyone else in our country and world would.

I certainly wouldn't KILL myself if there weren't any conspiracies. So, again, in answer to your question. Yes, I can live without them, but we are forced to live otherwise by those who have created our reality around them.

Wrong Answer Blue Angel.....

We create our own destinies in "their" containment field of this planet, think about it this way, "they" control the money and power in this world, they allow us to somewhat live 'free' only if we don't upset their "containment field", so thus their "generosity" and "guidance" blind the masses into submission, however those who want out of the containment field finds themselves questioning everything in the world as conspiratorial, which is GOOD! I have no problem with free-thinkers....
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Old 08-04-2007, 07:41 AM
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RedRat said:

Wrong Answer Blue Angel.....

We create our own destinies in "their" containment field of this planet, think about it this way, "they" control the money and power in this world, they allow us to somewhat live 'free' only if we don't upset their "containment field", so thus their "generosity" and "guidance" blind the masses into submission, however those who want out of the containment field finds themselves questioning everything in the world as conspiratorial, which is GOOD! I have no problem with free-thinkers....

It is MY answer to a personal question.

Therefore, it cannot be wrong!

It wasn't a true or false question!!

It wasn't multiple choice!

It was my answer to a personal question!

Do you think your response to the question you asked me negates my answer and deems me wrong and you right?

What a power trip you're on!
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