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Old 11-23-2009, 03:32 AM
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Heads-up, boys and girls: it's time to start thinking again...

Stompk has proposed that contrails cannot turn into clouds.

I have produced evidence (PROOF) that they CAN and they DO, with photographs, LIDAR readings, calculations and predictions. Made by a TEAM of scientists. I have a list of a further 153 scientific papers with Minnis (the "shill") on different teams. But there's NO reason to suppose that I cannot find more.

Were the three of you (now) scientists ( ), this would be OVER, finished, a done deal. Whatever else remained of your "chemtrail theory", the proposition that contrails cannot turn into clouds COULDN'T remain part of it.

Scientists MOVE ON. That's why you live in the relatively comfortable and safe world you have.

People with belief systems CANNOT move on, for they CANNOT discard false ideas. For instance, a Creationist "science book" may ask you to look at Nature (which is great), but it can only accept and incorporate everything already discovered by scientific research, which it wouldn't itself have conducted, and point to GAPS in as-yet-undiscovered knowledge with the words "God did it". Not only that, but it is COMPLETELY unable to formulate new theories and test them with experiments. A few hundred years ago, conducting science might cause you to watch your entrails burning in the fire that consumed you. Ask Giordano Bruno when you get to Hell.

The problem with chemtrail theory is that you start with the theory, and then pick and choose facts, and narrowly interpret information in a way that fits the theory. The problem is that you can do that for ANY theory. Just constantly refine your interpretation so it is always correct.

Real science does not work like that. It starts with the facts, and then considers all possible explanations, and narrows in on the theory that fits the facts, rather than picking and adjusting the facts that fit the theory.

You appear to be unable to deal with the debunking. It doesn't surprise me. What DOES surprise me a little, Blue Angel, is you appear to concur with this CHANGE IN THREAD TOPIC. I was under the impression you were the moderator here. Aren't you? Who is?

So, to the NEW TOPIC, then.

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This does nothing to explain segmented trails, trails starting and stopping
WRONG. We have covered this in the paper. You just couldn't see the wood for the trees.

To simplify this I'll give you a SIMPLE ANALOGY.



Modern turbofans are EXQUISITE pieces of machinery, easily on a par with the finest modern aircraft airframes, or intricate Martian Rovers, the Hubble Telescope, and leading microchips. Their performance is perfectly consistent, and they run using a carefully selected fuel chosen for its low flash point and filtered so that NO solids are present to erode the FURNACES which are their combustion chambers, and the densely-packed exhaust turbine sets which drives their fans and compressor turbines. They run, as they say, "like watches".

Running, as they do, perfectly smoothly, and unaffected by variable rain/water vapor entry (except to increase their thrust a little when a fine water mist enters them), they act like a SCANNER/PRINTER. They SCAN the entry air and PRINT OUT its humidity. Dry air -> no trail at all. Slightly wetter air -> short trail. Wetter air still -> longer trail still. Saturated air -> thin, but persistent trail. Supersaturated air -> persistent trail progressively increasing over time until it falls out of the supersaturated stratospheric layer.

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X patterns, grids, close parallel lines, etc. etc. as seen in hundreds of thousands of videos around the web.

On any given day, more than 87,000 flights are in the skies in the United States. Only one-third are commercial carriers, like American, United or Southwest. On an average day, air traffic controllers handle 28,537 commercial flights (major and regional airlines), 27,178 general aviation flights (private planes), 24,548 air taxi flights (planes for hire), 5,260 military flights and 2,148 air cargo flights (Federal Express, UPS, etc.). At any given moment, roughly 5,000 planes are in the skies above the United States. In one year, controllers handle an average of 64 million takeoffs and landings.


Now YOU tell me HOW the above CANNOT produce "X patterns, grids, close parallel lines, etc. etc. as seen in hundreds of thousands of videos around the web".

Do they FLY AROUND EACH OTHER?

ALL aircraft, civil or military, are subject to FLIGHT RULES and AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL. They are directed along CORRIDORS and strictly held to MAINTAINED ALTITUDES. Except for small, low-range, LOCAL air traffic, all planes fly in the stratosphere between around 28,000 feet and 39,000 feet.

Long-range aircraft deviating from this are either in serious trouble, or BREAKING FLIGHT RULES. In either case, the local airport radar will pick it up, there is some state of EMERGENCY, and some risk of COLLISION. The aircraft will have descended into UNCONTROLLED FLIGHT SPACE, be subject to VISUAL FLIGHT RULES, and may accidentally meet light aircraft which may NOT be fitted with FLIGHT TRANSPONDERS which show up on Air Traffic Control screens.

ANY "chemtrailer" claim that trails were being made at LOW ALTITUDE is HIGHLY SUSPECT. Alarm bells would be ringing like crazy in every local airport AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL center.

The truth of it is that the trail, having been made between six and eight miles up, may fall up to TWO MILES vertically downwards (unless sheared by layer crosswinds) before it evaporates. In that time it can grow to several miles WIDE. This will give the ILLUSION of being LOW DOWN.

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They have completely cleared up any unresolved questions I've had as to whether or not chemtrails are harmful or not.
It shouldn't have done.

It SHOULD, however, have cleared up the question as to whether contrails turned into clouds or not.

And it seems to have answered the question as to whether you can moderate or not.
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Old 11-23-2009, 04:01 AM
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JazzRoc, You must be joking! "Normal" flights most certainly do NOT follow the patterns seen in videos around the net. Nor do they systematically turn their trails on and off to create perfectly formed grids of upwards of 9 x 9, creating completely expansive artificial cloud cover! Nor do they repeatedly fly through little tiny gaps in the clouds leaving a trail JUST in those spots, which then thins out into a noticeably artificial haze. Anyone with common sense can see that this is a methodical system of artificial cloud creation.

The people must wake up and face the reality of huge amounts of metallic particles and god-knows-what-else in the air.
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Old 11-23-2009, 04:12 AM
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So you're still confused about whether chemtrails are harmful? Surely there is enough in this thread for you to make a decision? Or do you just come in every now and then and harass posters for fun? What questions do you have?
It is YOU that seems to be confused.

The title of this thread is "Contrails cannot form into clouds (proof!)"

It is NOT "are 'chemtrails' harmful?"
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Old 11-23-2009, 04:26 AM
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"Normal" flights most certainly do NOT follow the patterns seen in videos around the net.
You appear to be conceptually challenged. Good luck with that.

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Nor do they systematically turn their trails on and off to create perfectly formed grids of upwards of 9 x 9, creating completely expansive artificial cloud cover!
And again... Prevailing winds don't exist, do they? That's why we don't have a word for them, isn't it?

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Nor do they repeatedly fly through little tiny gaps in the clouds leaving a trail JUST in those spots, which then thins out into a noticeably artificial haze. Anyone with common sense can see that this is a methodical system of artificial cloud creation.
LOL!

So they KNOW in advance where a gap is going to open up in a cloud over your head, AND FROM THREE MILES ABOVE THE CLOUD TOPS, ALIGN THE TRAIL SO YOU CAN PERSONALLY FILM IT! R-O-F-L !!!! Hey, that's FUNNY !!! I just KNEW if I worked hard you'd turn up with comedy...

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The people must wake up and face the reality of huge amounts of metallic particles and god-knows-what-else in the air.
Ah, vaunting your ignorance again...

When large volcanic eruptions take place (Pinatubo, for instance) HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF TONS OF FINE ASH enter the atmosphere.

Volcanic ash - Wikipedia


Yet two years later ALL TRACE of such eruptions is GONE. Most is gone within WEEKS. The high stratosphere (higher than ANY aircraft can fly) is not so well-endowed with water, so traces of the finest ash (molecules, really) tend to linger. Even they finally drop - by downward transport through Hadley Cell motion.

Atmospheric circulation - Wikipedia

You MUST have gathered by now that fine particles NUCLEATE raindrops, which fall to earth.

Reach around that empty head of yours, connect up a few (non-criminal) neurones, and try to figure if there's ANY sense in your last statement. You must do this for yourself.
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Old 11-23-2009, 05:38 AM
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Let the viewer decide.

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Old 11-23-2009, 06:00 AM
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With all these old trolls around, it's a good thing I don't need ratings since I distribute hundreds of flyers and DVDs with my link on it.

JazzRoc will you comment on these fibers I found in 3 big raindrops?


PS. Don't push me to create 20 YouTube accounts. I'm younger and faster than you! :P
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Old 11-23-2009, 06:32 AM
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Wow look at that 20 votes down on all my videos! Look how aggressive these trolls are. What could possibly be their motive? Hmmm... Perhaps GLOBAL ENSLAVEMENT. Too bad the cat's out of the bag for good! I'll resist stooping to their level. For now.

They can ridicule and distract and rate and vote all day long, but they can't stop you from talking to your friends about it over coffee. Expose the New World Order. It is our only hope to take back this planet for the people. The more we expose the NWO the less damage it will cause as it goes down. If we fail to stop it, they will twist the world into something reminiscent of Hitler. Millions or even billions (more) will perish or become guinea pigs for their sick experiments. Already, untold millions are suffering worldwide. You and I are suffering right now. Our food, water, air, health care, everything is poisoned by these soulless, power-hungry maniacs. They have gotten where they are by exploiting every last one of us for centuries. They do not deserve the world. The people need to take it back.

Humanity is at an epic crossroads. The one thing they cannot fight with all of their money, power and resources is the truth. For the time being, we have the ability to spread that truth. Will we take advantage of the opportunity, stand up and break free of our captors?

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Old 11-23-2009, 08:29 AM
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JazzRoc will you comment on these fibers I found in 3 big raindrops?
I have.

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Don't push me to create 20 YouTube accounts. I'm younger and faster than you!
Why would I do that? I concede you're younger...
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Old 11-24-2009, 08:12 AM
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JazzRoc will you comment on these fibers I found in 3 big raindrops?
Thanks for asking me a question and blocking me.

Nice.
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Old 11-24-2009, 01:48 PM
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Thanks for asking me a question and blocking me.
Not interested in wasting time with your misleading posts.

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