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Old 12-01-2008, 12:03 AM
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Ok, so, ignoring Feminine Masonry and Co-Masonry, you have a problem with men taking care of kids.
(They also take care of old people and families in general to, by the way.)

The Shriners do runs a kids hospital, but mainly all they do is donate the money, most Masons who actively do charity work are active in their community doing whatever project may be open at the time.

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Old 12-01-2008, 12:09 AM
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Ok, so, ignoring Feminine Masonry and Co-Masonry, you have a problem with men taking care of kids.
(They also take care of old people and families in general to, by the way.)

The Shriners do runs a kids hospital, but mainly all they do is donate the money, most Masons who actively do charity work are active in their community doing whatever project may be open at the time.
You really shouldn't concern yourself as to my opinion regarding Freesmasonry.

It's just one woman's opinion.

That's all.

Don't worry yourself about it.

I don't have a problem with MEN taking care of children.

I never said that.

DO NOT twist my words.

I said I have a problem with an ALL MALE secret society/organization that involves themselves with children's charities and orphanages in particular.

DO NOT TWIST MY WORDS or you will end up eating them and they aren't very tasty!
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Old 12-01-2008, 02:11 AM
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If I twisted your words, I'm sorry. but your repeated point is that it's men taking care of children. That the men in Masonry are therefore pedophiles, because they help children.
You are taking their actions and twisting them.
As for your words, aye, they are your words. But they are words you speak against those I know as good men, and good women (since you keep ignoring women in masonry), and slandering them.
Something I can not in good conscious sit by and listen to.
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:34 PM
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If I twisted your words, I'm sorry. but your repeated point is that it's men taking care of children. That the men in Masonry are therefore pedophiles, because they help children.
You are taking their actions and twisting them.
As for your words, aye, they are your words. But they are words you speak against those I know as good men, and good women (since you keep ignoring women in masonry), and slandering them.
Something I can not in good conscious sit by and listen to.
I never said the men in Masonry are pedophiles.

You are twisting my words.

I said it concerns me that it is an all male organization involved in children's charities.

What is it you are not comprehending about this statement?

I am not slandering anyone.

Men or women.

I said and I will repeat.

It concerns me that an all male organization is involed in children's charities.

I have said nothing about WOMEN within Freemasonry as you have insinuated.

WOMEN CANNOT BE FREEMASONS.

Hmmmm.

I wonder why?
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Old 12-06-2008, 02:34 AM
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You're right, you've never out right stated it, you just keep insinuating it.

As for women not being allowed in FreeMasonry, better not tell them that...

For example:
The British Federation of the International Order of Co-Freemasonry, Le Droit Humain. Freemasonry for men and women.

Freemasonry, Co-Masonry, The Order of International Co-Freemasonry “Le Droit Humain”, Co-masonry, comasonic, co-masonic, Freemasonry: Freemasonry for Men and Women, masons, Masons, comason, comasons, women, woman, order, fraternal

Freemasonry: A Masonic Temple open for Men and Women
(Spelled Similarly to the other link, but a unique site.)

GRAND LODGE - Home Page

THE EASTERN ORDER OF INTERNATIONAL CO-FREEMASONRY
(Same as above, these links aren't necessarily clever.)

List of Women specific Lodges:
Women's Freemasonry - USA

Home Page

Within Masonry, you have Males only, Women only, and Mixed divisions.

As for why Masonry was and is still regarded a Male only organization is due in part to the time it arose in, which was chauvinist, it's origins with operative stone masons, which rarely included women among their number, and it being a Fraternity.
A fraternity is, basically, a club for men, just as a sorority is a club for women.
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Old 12-06-2008, 12:48 PM
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Putting my two cents in, these co-masonry and other divisions are not all recognized by the grand jurisdictions. These are what we call clandestine masons and a majority of grand lodges won't let that member attend a lodge meeting if they visit another lodge.
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Old 12-06-2008, 07:10 PM
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You're right, you've never out right stated it, you just keep insinuating it.

As for women not being allowed in FreeMasonry, better not tell them that...

For example:
The British Federation of the International Order of Co-Freemasonry, Le Droit Humain. Freemasonry for men and women.

Freemasonry, Co-Masonry, The Order of International Co-Freemasonry “Le Droit Humain”, Co-masonry, comasonic, co-masonic, Freemasonry: Freemasonry for Men and Women, masons, Masons, comason, comasons, women, woman, order, fraternal

Freemasonry: A Masonic Temple open for Men and Women
(Spelled Similarly to the other link, but a unique site.)

GRAND LODGE - Home Page

THE EASTERN ORDER OF INTERNATIONAL CO-FREEMASONRY
(Same as above, these links aren't necessarily clever.)

List of Women specific Lodges:
Women's Freemasonry - USA

Home Page

Within Masonry, you have Males only, Women only, and Mixed divisions.

As for why Masonry was and is still regarded a Male only organization is due in part to the time it arose in, which was chauvinist, it's origins with operative stone masons, which rarely included women among their number, and it being a Fraternity.
A fraternity is, basically, a club for men, just as a sorority is a club for women.
Yes. I know I'm right.
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Old 12-06-2008, 08:27 PM
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Here's a link of Masonic Charities:
Masonic Charities

Among those, yes, there are children charities. There are old folk charities, medical research charities, veteran charities, a fairly wide spread network of charities.

When it comes to FreeMasonry, aside from Co-masonry or Feminine Masonry, there are many organizations specifically for women associated with Masonry.
Eastern Star and Order of Amaranth being examples.

Look, there are sororities for women as well, and they are just as adamant about letting men into their clubs as Masons are about letting women into theirs. There are women specific Masonic lodges, and then there are women spcific groups that are not related to Masonry, same for men.

They are unique and gender specific, while other organizations are not.
In the instance of Masonry, you have made something of a middle ground, including both men and women.

You have Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, and you have Co-Ed Scouts.
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Old 12-06-2008, 11:05 PM
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Here's a link of Masonic Charities:
Masonic Charities

Among those, yes, there are children charities. There are old folk charities, medical research charities, veteran charities, a fairly wide spread network of charities.

When it comes to FreeMasonry, aside from Co-masonry or Feminine Masonry, there are many organizations specifically for women associated with Masonry.
Eastern Star and Order of Amaranth being examples.

Look, there are sororities for women as well, and they are just as adamant about letting men into their clubs as Masons are about letting women into theirs. There are women specific Masonic lodges, and then there are women spcific groups that are not related to Masonry, same for men.

They are unique and gender specific, while other organizations are not.
In the instance of Masonry, you have made something of a middle ground, including both men and women.

You have Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, and you have Co-Ed Scouts.
Freemasons aren't girl scouts or boy scouts.

Far from it.

Bad analogy.

Try again.

Name a female only sorority along the lines of Freemasonry, but not including the Order of the Eastern Star which is the female version of the male organization; Freemasonry.
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Old 12-06-2008, 11:10 PM
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Like I said, I have a problem with an organization that proclaims not to be religious but all members must be of a religion in order to become one of them.

If that ain't the definition of a RELIGION, I don't know what to tell you.

Why do they take on this hypocritical stance?

Like I said, hiding behind charitable deeds and GOD.

I have a problem with an all male organization that is heavily involved in medical research, children's charities and orphanages.

But, hey.

That's just me.

Don't worry your little head about my opinion.

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