I was simply playing the devil's advocate to your statement about "There isn't a different meaning of the word pornography." I take that stance that it is open to Interpretation. People have the right to express themselves. You express publically events that happened to you in your life. Well some of those events are sexually explict, which can be defined as pornography by some. Just the same as when retired pornstars write their biographies, which of course is going to contain sexual material, and are then labeled pornographic by religious groups of walmart bans the sell of the book. No where is any definition did it say pornography was defined by if the people did it for money or mindcontrol. You want it both ways, but guess what, if you do it and you talk about it, then your guilty of it.
"I seriously doubt most people who know about mind control and the traumatization that the victims experienced and, even those who don't, but read my thread, would argue that what I write about my victimization is in the hopes of giving another member a chubby so that they PM me."
Oh so you doubt that sicko people who are into incest don't read incest stories, or join incest survivor groups so that they can get off on the stories of victims. Don't be naive. Oh wait you know this? well then how do you know Bruce isn't tracking you and reading all your posts loving every torrid detail of it, sitting behind his computer on tour remembering the good o'l days? You can't rule that out can you? Can't rule out that Cathy O'Brien's book was picked up by Hilary and she got off on reading out how she was forced to muff dive on her. Just like a serial killer who takes a trophy to relive his kills, everytime you make a post there is the possibility that one of your handlers is using it to get his jollies off. So by many definitions, you are a smut peddler.
First off, my names not pal, and i'm in no way your pal. Many children are not paid to be in "child pornography" but it's still pornography, so what your saying pornography is only present when someone is paid and then they are considered a pornstar if they do it willingly for money? Yeah your logic has more holes than swiss cheese. Pornography isn't about free will. Most of it is made against people's will or wishes. It's still pornography. It can be mindcontrol, or financial control, either way they are being manipulated and controlled. What you are writing is pornographic material, you can say it's a crime. The only thing criminal about it is that you constantly post it publicly where others read it. Yes if it's a crime you would get off your ass and do something about it. Oh wait you can't right? because you've been married to your husband for 26 years, so i'm guessing your last abuse was at least that long ago, and since they didn't murder you, well you probably let the statue of limitations run out so even if you have any proof it's useless. Well you know what is criminal that you didn't get off your ass and do more to help those children still involved in the program and spend your time on here arguing with me about kevin smith films. Wow your a real proactive victim/survivor arn't you? If you have knowledge of a crime and evidence and don't come forward your apart of that crime, your just as guilty, your apart of covering it up. Every person who was abused after you, every person who could of been helped, ever person who hasn't recovered from their mindcontrol like you were able to is being victimized and you do what to help them? What are you doing to help them? Posting on here where nothing will ever get done about the problem. Your the sicko, look in the mirror, i'm not the one who was abused and let my abuser go on abusing others so I can sit at home with my family on my computer enjoying my life while others suffer. You got out, you have a responsiblity, and yet you just spend your energy mouthing off to me? You are not a child anymore, your a damn adult, your not a victim anymore your a survivor, your not a slave anymore your free, yet what do you do to help those still being victimize, what are you doing to free those who are still enslaved, what do you do to help those who are still children? Stop ignoring your resposiblities by babbling on about kevin smith to me. You have evidence your keeping, won't give us, pictures you hiding from us, names your still holding back, lady the only crime being commited here is by you. There crimes against you are long passed, but everyday you cover this up your the commiting the crime.
You been married 26 years? were you still being passed around to all of Bruce's friends after the wedding? If not then you have waited at least 26 years to give them what they have coming. How soon is that? doesn't seem like you've done anything soon enough. Over 20 years have slipped by before you take any action. I have not abused anyone, nor have I blamed a child, your a full grown woman, your not a child anymore, so I will not afford you the protection a child deserves. Your an adult who keeps telling everyone they will get what is coming to them soon, I have proof, yet you lie in wait, while Springsteen is allowed to make his millions, continue his deviant behavior, what your going to take him down now that he's an old has been. No I don't find any of your statements comforting or calming. I don't trust your judgement or those you entrust with your evidence. You've already proven yourself to be the kind of person who takes her good sweet 20+ year time to take any action. Not to mention accusing anyone who questions your actions of being a mindcontrol pervert only discredits you, because you steer the focus away from those who actually are. That is just irresponsible. You are one of the only people who claims to have damaging evidence against these sickos, yet you go out of your way to make yourself sound like a looney who no one will take serious and believe, and you think I can find that comforting and calming? You spend so much time pointing your condemning finger at innocent people like me that when you finally point it in the right direction it will be like the crying wolf once again. Your a real creep for not holding yourself to a higher standard and not striving to keep yourself credible. I'm sure the children being abused will thank you for pointing your finger at innocent people, instead of getting off your high horse and doing something to stop those who you know are guilty. Shame on you. PAL!!!!!!!!!
"Many children aren't paid to be in pornography, you say. EEK!! Really? Some are paid? Yikes! Otherwise, the rest are forced, right?"
Anyone who has taken any kind of formal debating classes will tell you never to make statements with absolutes. There is the possiblity that some children are given money for say their families in 3rd world countries to lure them into agreeing to be in pornography.
"Yep. I'm saying pornography is pornography whether you're paid or not. Whether you're a porn star partaking in such of your own free will or a CHILD forced to partake in PORNOGRAPHY against your own free will. However, there's a difference, pal? Do you see the difference betwen a child being forced against their own free will and an adult doing so of their own choosing?"
There have been well documented cases of children agreeing to partake in being filmed doing sexual favors for men, one which famous case was a Russian guy who took money for many rich europeans to make custom kiddy porn sex tapes with torture and even snuffing. So yes some children agree to be in these movies of their own free will, but you know what lady that doesn't fucking count because they arn't mature enough mentally to make those kinds of decisions. Like many pornstars who have been abused and are stuck in a childish mental state are not mature enough to consent to such contracts. Oh you doubt me children have agreed to take money to be in porn? History lesson for you, why don't you look up tracilords, entered porn underage with a fake ID at about 15-16, made a lot of money doing it too, but it's still kiddy porn. Oh wow blow your mind that a child would actually lie there way into porn? doesn't matter these pornstars have the minds of children, yet you hold them fully resposible for their actions. You don't know what abuse they suffered, you don't know their hidden pasts. No you just like to sit back and judge like your the only one who has ever been a victim or taken advantage of, your such a creep.
"Children who are forced to partake in pornography are doing so against their own free will. Get it? FORCED? Alot of pornography is not made against people's will or wishes, you say. Where are you living? Under a rock? There is a ton of pornography out there made of people's own free will and wishes."
Again I will point out Traci Lords, free will vs. being forced? Your narrow mindness is shocking. Adults can be forced, or have the minds of children and manipulated, and children have don't pornography of their own free will, doesn't make it any less wrong. Open your eyes.
"Not every porn star is being manipulated or controlled. What I'm writing about is not pornographic material. I'm writing about criminal activities perpetrated against me when I was a child. PERIOD! For you to think that posting it publicly for others to read is criminal, is, well, RIDICULOUS!"
Oh so now your an expert on pornstars, which ones are in control, how about a list of names of which are in control and which are being manipulated. Boycott all those not in control, do tell, who? come on who? listen them all out, your got the energy.
"It is a crime. Not, IF it's a crime. There is not statue of limitations, pal, so the proof and evidence is still valid."
List which laws they have broken that you have proof of, I'd like to research this "no statue of limitations" bullshit.
"Oh, yeah, it's real criminal of me cause I haven't gotten off my ass and done more. You'll see. You have no clue what I've done, pal."
No I have no clue what you've done, that's the problem missy, more people should be informed of what you've done, but no. Why do you babbling about the same crap over and over but never give the details about the proof and what you've done. Why do I not have a clue what you have done? Share with us all in detail what you've done.
"Oh, please. Stop telling me I'm guilty of something for which I am not. I'm not covering anything up. I think you've read about it here."
Your guilty of not going enough.
"Excuse me, pal, but I'm not responsible for the actions of the perverts against children. They are."
Sure back out and point the finger at someone else. Miss I didn't do anything, that's the problem you don't do anything. Your like a mom who watches her husband abuse their kids for 20 years while she sits back and goes I didn't do anything, he beat me too. Yeah your a grown damn woman your suppose to raise to the occassion, not hide the the details of the truth.
"Sorry, pal, but I didn't allow Springsteen to go on abusing children. Why in the world do you think that I allowed any of the perverts to go free and continue abusing others?"
Because you say you have proof yet he is still making god aweful music, first of all he's has no talent, so I have not doubt he didn't something dirty to get a music contract in the first place. Why don't you take these perverts down TONIGHT, TOMORROW, stop waiting, I'm sick of hearing out him still making records, they all suck, get off your ass and stop him.
"I'll spend my energy as I see fit."
Yeah verbally abusing me, instead of being down the no talent ass bruce, good job I hope your children are proud.
"What do you do to help those who are still being victimized?"
I am not the one with proof. If I had the proof I'd use it, I'd mass email it to everyone, fax it to the world, europe, asia the middle east, all his pictures, everything. I don't have it thought do I? I have no proof because it didn't happen to me. Why are you always diverting the focus of action away from yourself?
"Who the hell are WE? Are you more than one? Split/alters? Oh, yeah, I'm committing a crime. Give me a break, fool!"
"We" the many, the internet, the gobal information superhigh way, the "we's" that are all linked together, I don't ask for it just personally, I'm not selfish, I ask for the proof on behalf of the world!!!!!!!! Yes not coming forward to law enforcement with evidence IT A CRIME!!!!!!! your the fool!!!!! PAL
Yeah go through over 400 pages of posts to find any useful information. You should of Posted the full story in one consolidated section, like oh say the first freaken post. It's like pulling teeth trying to get any straight information out of you. Bit by Bit.
"Sorry, but I don't accuse anyone who questions my actions of being a mind control pervert. Just you. As you sound like one."
Are you seriously denying you have never accused anyone else on these forums of being a mind control pervert? Your so full of shit. Just me huh? Ohhhh I sound like a mind control pervert? Why because I'm advocating for the victims here, yeah great logic there. I'm the pervert because I want to you to take action faster, sure makes me sound like the bad guy. Redirection tactics over and over same o'l story with you, they taught you well how to shift the focus off of yourself. Keep up your game of smoke and mirrors while children suffer. You soooooooooo love all the attention you get, yet when someone asks you some hard hitting questions you do everything in your power to redirect the attention, very smooth. Your as sly as a used car salesmen. Just hurry up and bring that old fart no talent ass bruce down so the public is not subjected to another one of his crappy albums.