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Old 01-21-2009, 03:49 PM
SeC SeC is offline
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The Late Great United States: The Decline and Fall of the United States of America

By Joseph George Caldwell

Revised 17 December 2008

Max: You know, one thing I can’t figure out is whether these girls are real smart or just real, real lucky. Hal: You know, Max, brains will only get you so far, and luck always runs out.
-- Thelma and Louise (A Ridley Scott film, 1991, MGM United Artists)

The United States Is Already Dead, and Just Doesn’t Know It

In the 1990s, I wrote the book, Can America Survive?, in which I analyzed the current situation of the United States and the world. I started writing the book in 1994, revised it a couple of times, completed it in late 1998 and posted it on the Foundation website in 1999. My brief answer to the question posed in the title was, “No, – not in its current form for very long, and perhaps not in any form at all for very long.”

In the years since I wrote this book, nothing has changed to modify my prognosis. The problems that I described and analyzed have not been resolved, and not even addressed. They have, in fact, gotten much worse.

It is my opinion that the United States, as a society, is in the final stages of disintegration. The country has allowed the invasion of 12-20 million illegal aliens. The financial system is bankrupt, and the government is now in the process of “selling the furniture” (i.e., selling its infrastructure, corporations and land to foreign interests). The country’s culture is fragmented. The government has alienated the citizens – it now serves the wealthy, not the middle class. The nation has lost its sovereignty to “globalization.” All that lies between its current status and total collapse is the “tipping point” – the proverbial “last straw” that breaks the camel’s back.

When I was a boy, we were taught that dinosaurs were so stupid that even though they were mortally wounded, they would thrash around for minutes before their small brains finally realized that they were dead, and they collapsed. I believe that this perception of dinosaurs is no longer held, but the analogy is an apt one to describe the present state of the United States. Its economic “engine” is so large and powerful that it has a large amount of “inertia” or “momentum,” that carries it along even though its vital essence, its spirit, has died. It is like an airplane that is about to crash into a mountain. Everything seems fine at the moment, but disaster is imminent and there is absolutely nothing that can be done to avert it.

Am I predicting a date for the collapse of the United States? No. In my view, the real collapse has already occurred – there is nothing of significance to predict. As Ariel Durant once remarked, “A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.” The United States has destroyed what made it great. It has abandoned the concepts and principles on which the Founders established the Republic. It has lost its vitality, its life force, its direction, its purpose. The government has turned against the middle class, and, without the support of the people, the country is in the final stages of dissolution. It may continue operation for a while, but it is no longer a vibrant entity in control of its destiny. The car is running out of gas, and the joy ride is almost over.

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Old 02-03-2009, 01:43 PM
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Too bad your view of the US is gone. Mine is not.

I live in the US and find it to be very much alive. There is still the spirit that we can do anything in most of this country.

Yes, we have our hiccups, as we have had since the very beginning. We have slowly overcome slavery, anti-feminism, anti religious "no nothings", and a host of others that would deny the American dream to those that they believed to be "unworthy".

There has always bee a small strain of people that our convinced that our country is either dead or dyig. They all fall by the wayside as events show them to be wrong.

You are no different that a host of tohers that have called for the demise of this country. You are wrong, and time will prove that to be so.

In the meantime, you are convinced that YOU are the one that really sees the truth, just as all of those nay sayers that came before you believed that they also saw the truth.

I wish you luck in your unhappiness. In the meantime, the US will just keep on clicking along in its bumbling way. existing as it has for some 233 years now, and i expect that it will still be around another 233 years from now.
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Old 02-03-2009, 01:48 PM
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Too bad your view of the US is gone. Mine is not.

I live in the US and find it to be very much alive. There is still the spirit that we can do anything in most of this country.

Yes, we have our hiccups, as we have had since the very beginning. We have slowly overcome slavery, anti-feminism, anti religious "no nothings", and a host of others that would deny the American dream to those that they believed to be "unworthy".

There has always bee a small strain of people that our convinced that our country is either dead or dyig. They all fall by the wayside as events show them to be wrong.

You are no different that a host of tohers that have called for the demise of this country. You are wrong, and time will prove that to be so.

In the meantime, you are convinced that YOU are the one that really sees the truth, just as all of those nay sayers that came before you believed that they also saw the truth.

I wish you luck in your unhappiness. In the meantime, the US will just keep on clicking along in its bumbling way. existing as it has for some 233 years now, and i expect that it will still be around another 233 years from now.
Sure, I expect the US may still be around another 233 years from now, but in what shape and form?
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Old 02-08-2009, 04:50 AM
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I don't doubt its about to crash but there will be plenty of survivours.

No country is screwed if it has the intelect and resources to sustain itself. America is huge has everything but oil which could and will be superceeded, it just needs a little faith in the future.

its just change like the industrial revolution and the techno revolution each one bringing its own rewards. I believe the word apocalipse is greek and roughly translated means "exposing the truth". When people understand how the world realy works most of its problems like the current financial nonsence and the war on terror would be solved over night.

I'm looking forward to the future, bring it on everything is going to be OK
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