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Old 05-17-2005, 08:47 AM
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My outburst undermines the Brotherhood and the Fraternity of the craft?

You're not in the Craft.

You want proof of the Black Madonna? Go to Provence - France.

You want to determine to whom you are 'speaking' - well, deal with the anonymity of the Internet

OK - Let's start at the beginning:

Joseph de Marmore (Marmorica in Egypt) from Arimathaea, was (according to a manuscript at Jesus College Oxford) brother to Bianca and Ann (V. Mary's mother); uncle to Virgin Mary and great-uncle to The Christ, whose body he claimed from Pontius Pilate, as, by law, only a relative could.

The Catholic priest Polydore Vergil who was born in Italy in 1470; studied at Bologna and Padua; was so renowned for his literary talents that catholic Henry 7th (NOT the Protestant 8th) asked him to write an English History. As an Italian and a Catholic proxy Bishop; Prebendary and Archdeacon who became Chamberlain to Pope Alexander VII, he had no axe to grind on behalf of Britain or the British Church. It would no doubt have suited him much better if he could have written of Rome as being the first Christian church but he could not and did not. He wrote:-

"Britain, partly through Joseph of Arimathaea, partly through Fugatus and Damianus, was of all kingdoms FIRST TO RECEIVE THE GOSPEL." (Even before Palestine).

The antiquity of the British church had been challenged by the ambassadors of Spain and France before the Roman Catholic Council of Pisa (A.D. 1417). The British (catholic) delegates Robert Hallam, Bishop of Salisbury, Henry Chichele, a former Archbishop of Canterbury and Thomas Chillendon, won the day, the council affirmed that the British church (not the Church of England and not catholic because it was pre-catholic) was the first Christian church (community).

The ambassadors appealed to the Roman Catholic Council of Constance, also in A.D. 1417, and that council confirmed the findings of the Council of Pisa.

A third decision by the Roman Catholic Council at Sienna 1424 again confirmed the antiquity of the British church and, finally at the Council at Basle in 1434 it was laid down that the churches of Spain and France had to accept the precedence of the British Church, which it was affirmed, was founded by Joseph of Arimathaea (Mary's uncle) "immediately after the passion of Christ."

The VATICAN MANUSCRIPT quoted by Baronius in his "Ecclesiastical Annals A.D. 35", (the same year in which the Acts of the Apostles state that all, except the Apostles, were scattered abroad from Judaea) records that in this year Lazarus, Maria Magdalene, Martha, her handmaiden Marcella, Maximin a disciple, Joseph the Decurion (Roman Minister for Mines) of Arimathaea, against all of whom the Jewish people had special reasons for hatred, were exposed to the sea in a vessel without sails or oars. The vessel drifted finally to Marseilles, and they were saved. From Marseilles Joseph and his company passed into Britain, and after preaching the Gospel there, died (and was buried). Other sources report that there were a total of 14 people in the vessel.

John had been made guardian of Virgin Mary, by Jesus, from the cross, but John became a fugitive and so passed the guardianship over to Mary's uncle Joseph of Arimathaea who, being the Roman Minister of Mines (and having become rich by trading with mines in Britain for years), was the least vulnerable and Mary could therefore not be any safer than she was with him.

The fact that Mary was NOT with John is proved by his second letter which was written to her saying that he hoped to be able to visit her; but he became exiled on the Island of Patmos, where Christ gave him the Book of Revelation/Apocalypse, so Mary went with Joseph of Arimathaea to England (where they are BOTH buried, as USED to be taught by the early Catholic Church). Britain was the ONLY place they COULD go to, that was SAFE from Roman Persecution, because the Romans had already conquered and subjugated everywhere, except for Britain.

2 John (John's Second Letter - in The Holy Bible - New Covenant/Testament)
1:1 The "Elder" unto the elect lady (Mary) and her CHILDREN (Matt. 13:55-56), whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the Truth (Heb. Nazir - Jesus Nazir);
1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus+Christ, (Christ the spirit-Being) the Son of the Father (not the son of Mary), in truth and love.
1:12 Having many things to write unto you, I would not [write] with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.

Jesus grew up safely in England (the city of Nazareth did not exist until the fourth century A.D.) and started his ministry in England with the "Lost sheep of the House of Israel" (10 lost tribes) before going to Palestine. That is why there is no mention in the Gospels of his being in Israel except for on one occasion at age twelve when he visited The Temple, as was the custom.

God tells us, through the Prophet Daniel*, that the Messiah will confirm The Covenant for one week (7 days - 7 years in Prophecy) and we know that his ministry in Palestine was not one week nor seven years in duration. The British people (the "House of Israel") in England were already accepting Jesus as the promised Messiah and were being converted by Him in the beginning of that "week", before He left to fulfill His mission and complete the "week" in Palestine, hence:-

Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you (the Jews), The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a NATION (NOT a church) bringing forth (already) the fruits thereof (the "10 lost tribes" - the "House of Israel", in Britain).
Matthew 10:5 These TWELVE (including PETER - 10:2) Jesus sent forth, and COMMANDED them, saying, Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles (ROME, etc.), and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the "House of Israel" (NOT the "House of Jewdah").

* Daniel 9:27 "And he shall CONFIRM The Covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week (WEDNESDAY NOT Friday) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations He shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation (the "Lake of Hell-Fire"), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the Scriptures, The "Stone" which the builders* REJECTED, the same is become the Head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? (Psalm 2)
21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof (the "10 lost tribes"- the "House of Israel").
21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this "Stone" shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it (the "Stone") will grind him to powder. (Daniel 2:34-35)
21:45 And when the *chief priests and politicians had heard his parables, they perceived that he spoke about them.
21:46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a Prophet.

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Old 05-17-2005, 06:56 PM
nakedsnake nakedsnake is offline
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Youshua..

Polydore Vergil was a psuedo historian...
http://www.annomundi.com/history/denunciation_of_polydore_vergil.htm#description_of _cambria

You then go qouting CATHOLIC SOURCES, who you say are...
Discredited by the Vatican - Ummmm - Ok yeah right, well, that's shut me up hasn't it?

has lied to the world, then pointed to the guardians of the truth and light to blame them.

Vatican ownership of the General Immobiliare has meant that the disinformation ...

WHO YOU SAY ARE DISINFORMATION MASTERS!

Jesus grew up safely in England (the city of Nazareth did not exist until the fourth century A.D.) and started his ministry in England with the "Lost sheep of the House of Israel" (10 lost tribes) before going to Palestine. That is why there is no mention in the Gospels of his being in Israel except for on one occasion at age twelve when he visited The Temple, as was the custom.
Where is the source for this statement?

The British people (the "House of Israel") in England were already accepting Jesus as the promised Messiah and were being converted by Him in the beginning of that "week", before He left to fulfill His mission and complete the "week" in Palestine,

Where is the source Yeoshua?

You then take scripture and put your own inserts to sell your point, that's subjective scripture interpretation, and it is dishonest.

The source Yeoshua, for Jesus survival of the crucifixion and world wide preaching mission, where is it?

you don't have it because it does not exist, now will you burst into another childish outburst? please man have a little dignity and stick with facts.
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Old 05-18-2005, 04:07 AM
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I also want to point out to you that Jesus knew where the rest of the house of Israel was, also. He spoke to the "strangers of the dispersion." He knew where the household of Ephraim was, "and Israel his companions" - and He sailed on the ships of Joseph of Arimathea, when in His young manhood and boyhood He sailed to Britain and back, and He knew that in Western Europe was the household of His calling. He knew where they had migrated to. In fact, there is a lot of secular record concerning the youth of Christ and concerning His young manhood and concerning His identification and His travels among His people, inside the real house of Israel.
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http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/swift/mystrey-of-iniquity.html
i thought it might help.i still find that wesley got it right.if not please say so.a lot of times the opposite is what happened.so where do you guys think the lost tribes are? :-)
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Old 05-18-2005, 06:01 AM
nakedsnake nakedsnake is offline
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in His young manhood and boyhood He sailed to Britain and back, and He knew that in Western Europe was the household of His calling. He knew where they had migrated to. In fact, there is a lot of secular record concerning the youth of Christ and concerning His young manhood and concerning His identification and His travels among His people, inside the real house of Israel.
Eddie, I read the link.
There is one problem, you mention lots of secular record, but I see no sources.
I see scripture twisting, conjecture, and pseudo history.
Yeoshua rips the scriptures, says the Roman Church altered them, and then uses them (Twisting their meaning) as a source.
The problem I see running in this thread and in CC as a whole is lack of documentation.
It figueres when you learn history from a Craft, that admits deceiving their own adepts.
God does not lie, if your Craft deceives you, you must ask yourself why?
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