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Old 11-05-2005, 08:20 AM
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Bush's Presidency Effectively Over - :-o :-o :-o

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Bush's Presidency Effectively Over
"In meetings, leaders and strategists have suggested a number of things that Bush must do to try and save his presidency and GOP prospects in upcoming elections, including:

* Apologize to the American people, Congress and our allies for misleading them on the reasons for invading Iraq;
* Revamp the White House staff from top to bottom;
* Fire Rove." -- by By DOUG THOMPSON, from Capitol Hill Blue http://www.capitolhillblue.com
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7617.shtml
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Old 11-05-2005, 09:14 PM
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Bush Is Not-Welcomed In Argentina - :-o :-o :-o

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Anti-Bush Protesters

Bush Feels Hand Of God As Poll Ratings Slump
“President's popularity in US reaches all-time low.”

“Maradona leads angry protests in Argentina”

“Nearly six in 10 Americans, 58%, said they had doubts about the president's honesty, a 13% rise in 18 months. Only 32% believed Mr Bush was handling ethical issues well, a significantly worse score than Bill Clinton achieved in his last scandal-besmirched year in office. His overall popularity has plunged to 39%, a new low for the Washington Post/ABC survey.”

“"I'm proud as an Argentine to repudiate the presence of this human trash, George Bush," said Maradona.”

“Mr Bush is hoping to revive a plan for free trade across the Americas. Yet his economic ideas find few fans in South America, where growing poverty and unemployment are blamed squarely on the free trade policies applied during the past 15 years…”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0%2C12271%2C1635037%2C00.html
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Old 11-05-2005, 09:30 PM
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He's a lameduck with two years to go. It is possible he might be the designated fall guy but, I don't really know anymore.
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Old 11-06-2005, 12:58 PM
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What Happens When There Is No Checks & Balances ? – :-o :-o :-o

Election Fraud...

20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA
http://nightweed.com/usavotefacts.html

Gov's Accounting Office Confirms 2004 Election Stolen
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1529

US Would Be a Different Country
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/101205Q.shtml

How The Bush Machine Stole The 2004 Election
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1318

Vote Fraud 2004 - How Ohio Was Delivered To Bush
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud_ohio.html

Dissent To Mar Bush Election Validation
http://www.wpherald.com/North_America/storyview.php?StoryID=20050105-111235-3672r

Re-Vote Ohio
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=90&ItemID=6944

Advocate Analysis Of Election Fraud 2004
http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/2004/12/analysis-election-2004-troublesome.html

2nd Ukrainian Election Results Reversed - Liberals Won By A Landslide
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4890

Ohio A Crime Against Democracy
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/ohio_a_crime_against_democracy.php

Kerry Preparing To Unconcede Elections
http://www.breakfornews.com/articles/KerryPreparingGroundsToUnconcede.htm

Ohio Voting Bombshell
Legitimacy of Ohio Vote Recount Called Into Question After Probe
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/ohio_voting_bombshell.html

Proof of Ohio Election Fraud Exposed
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

Ohio Courts Won't Overturn Results If Kerry Wins - Not 100% True
http://newsclipautopsy.blogspot.com/2004/12/mis-truth-ap-report-suggests-ohio.html

181,000 Dead Voters Cast Ballots In US Elections - Fraud Or Honest Mistake
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=1e23f25c27e3fa3e

Vote Fraud - Florida & Ohio Went To Kerry - This Is How It Happened
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MEN412A.html

Miami Herald Hand Recount Of 3 Florida Counties Indicates Significant Kerry Gain
http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=9984&fcategory_desc=Under%20Rep orted

Voters To Challenge US Election
http://www.rense.com/general60/voterstochallengeUS.htm

Jesse Jackson Demands Ohio Presidential Recount & Blasts GOP Election Officials
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/947

Election Results Are Not Final Until Dec 13 - The Entire Nation Is Now Investigating Vote Fraud

What Were The Odds That Bush Would Win?
"The statisticians and exit pollsters evidently got it wrong in the 2004 election."
http://hartfordadvocate.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:91472

Saudis, Enron Money Helped Pay For US Rigged Election Fraud
Diebold Technicians Posing As Homeland Security & FBI Hacked Voting Systems
http://www.libertythink.com/2004/11/saudi-enron-money-funded-e-vote.html

Lawsuit Calling For New Elections In Volusia County FL

BlackBoxVoting.com
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/#lawsuit

And there’s more… much more…
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Old 11-14-2005, 08:59 PM
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This Isn’t The Real America – :-o :-o :-o

This Isn’t The Real America
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-carter14nov14%2C0%2C7164514.story

By Jimmy Carter, JIMMY CARTER was the 39th president of the United States. His newest book is "Our Endangered Values: America's Moral Crisis," published this month by Simon & Schuster.

IN RECENT YEARS, I have become increasingly concerned by a host of radical government policies that now threaten many basic principles espoused by all previous administrations, Democratic and Republican.

These include the rudimentary American commitment to peace, economic and social justice, civil liberties, our environment and human rights.

Also endangered are our historic commitments to providing citizens with truthful information, treating dissenting voices and beliefs with respect, state and local autonomy and fiscal responsibility.

At the same time, our political leaders have declared independence from the restraints of international organizations and have disavowed long-standing global agreements — including agreements on nuclear arms, control of biological weapons and the international system of justice.

Instead of our tradition of espousing peace as a national priority unless our security is directly threatened, we have proclaimed a policy of "preemptive war," an unabridged right to attack other nations unilaterally to change an unsavory regime or for other purposes. When there are serious differences with other nations, we brand them as international pariahs and refuse to permit direct discussions to resolve disputes.

Regardless of the costs, there are determined efforts by top U.S. leaders to exert American imperial dominance throughout the world.

These revolutionary policies have been orchestrated by those who believe that our nation's tremendous power and influence should not be internationally constrained. Even with our troops involved in combat and America facing the threat of additional terrorist attacks, our declaration of "You are either with us or against us!" has replaced the forming of alliances based on a clear comprehension of mutual interests, including the threat of terrorism.

Another disturbing realization is that, unlike during other times of national crisis, the burden of conflict is now concentrated exclusively on the few heroic men and women sent back repeatedly to fight in the quagmire of Iraq. The rest of our nation has not been asked to make any sacrifice, and every effort has been made to conceal or minimize public awareness of casualties.

Instead of cherishing our role as the great champion of human rights, we now find civil liberties and personal privacy grossly violated under some extreme provisions of the Patriot Act.

Of even greater concern is that the U.S. has repudiated the Geneva accords and espoused the use of torture in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, and secretly through proxy regimes elsewhere with the so-called extraordinary rendition program. It is embarrassing to see the president and vice president insisting that the CIA should be free to perpetrate "cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment" on people in U.S. custody.

Instead of reducing America's reliance on nuclear weapons and their further proliferation, we have insisted on our right (and that of others) to retain our arsenals, expand them, and therefore abrogate or derogate almost all nuclear arms control agreements negotiated during the last 50 years. We have now become a prime culprit in global nuclear proliferation. America also has abandoned the prohibition of "first use" of nuclear weapons against nonnuclear nations, and is contemplating the previously condemned deployment of weapons in space.

Protection of the environment has fallen by the wayside because of government subservience to political pressure from the oil industry and other powerful lobbying groups. The last five years have brought continued lowering of pollution standards at home and almost universal condemnation of our nation's global environmental policies.

Our government has abandoned fiscal responsibility by unprecedented favors to the rich, while neglecting America's working families. Members of Congress have increased their own pay by $30,000 per year since freezing the minimum wage at $5.15 per hour (the lowest among industrialized nations).

I am extremely concerned by a fundamentalist shift in many houses of worship and in government, as church and state have become increasingly intertwined in ways previously thought unimaginable.

As the world's only superpower, America should be seen as the unswerving champion of peace, freedom and human rights. Our country should be the focal point around which other nations can gather to combat threats to international security and to enhance the quality of our common environment. We should be in the forefront of providing human assistance to people in need.

It is time for the deep and disturbing political divisions within our country to be substantially healed, with Americans united in a common commitment to revive and nourish the historic political and moral values that we have espoused during the last 230 years.
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Old 11-15-2005, 02:29 PM
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"Democracy's Checks & Balances" Or Lack Of, Thereof... :-o :-o :-o

Government Showdown Could Break-Up The Internet

Government Showdown Could Break-Up The Internet
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1611
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Thank God For Freedom Of Speech – :-o :-o :-o

Thank God For Freedom Of Speech !

Bush’s Flying To Argentina For A Free Trade Summit Turned Into An Embarrassing Diplomatic Failure - Toronto Sun
http://www.rense.com/general68/scandalsturning.htm
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I agree with everything in this last article except the McCarthy remark:

"Americans will one day look back on this period with the same revulsion and shame as they do on Joe McCarthy's era."

This is BS.

Once and for all McCarthy was right. If McCarthy would've succeeded in his mission then America would NOT BE IN THIS MESS.

He would've rooted out the Bolsheviks, Marxist-Leninists, Communists and Zionists who are working for Israel.

Senator Joseph McCarty's memory has been vilified like so many other Anti-Communists'; another case for historical revision.
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Old 11-16-2005, 03:03 AM
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<a href="http://www.darrenweeks.net/documents/mccarthy/acceptedasfact.html">Senator Joseph McCarthy's Charges 'now accepted as fact'</a>


By Jon Basil Utley
WorldNetDaily | February 8, 2000

WASHINGTON -- Although Joseph McCarthy was one of the most demonized American politicians of the last century, new information -- including half-century-old FBI recordings of Soviet embassy conversations -- are showing that McCarthy was right in nearly all his accusations.

"With Joe McCarthy it was the losers who've written the history which condemns him," said Dan Flynn, director of Accuracy in Academia's recent national conference on McCarthy, broadcast by C-SPAN.

Using new information obtained from studies of old Soviet files in Moscow and now the famous Vanona Intercepts -- FBI recordings of Soviet embassy communications between 1944-48 -- the record is showing that McCarthy was essentially right. He had many weaknesses, but almost every case he charged has now been proven correct. Whether it was stealing atomic secrets or influencing U.S. foreign policy, communist victories in the 1940s were fed by an incredibly vast spy and influence network.

The conference, a gathering of old McCarthyites and younger scholars, commemorated the senator's first speech, in Wheeling, West Virginia 50 years ago, when he first held up a list of names of employees of the State Department whom, he said, were major security risks. McCarthy questioned how, in six short years after America's winning of World War II, the communist world was triumphant and had expanded to include 800 million people.

Of the lists, a key one consisted of 108 names from a House Appropriations Committee report, of persons declared as "security risks" in the State Department -- the Lee List. The House committee chairman had complained that State wasn't bothering to do anything about the suspects. Details of the list and its accusations were presented at the conference.

Speakers detailed many of the cover-ups used to smear McCarthy. Veteran journalist and teacher Stan Evans, director of National Journalism Center, told of the Tydings Committee, which had investigated McCarthy's charges of communists in government. Its report had exonerated everybody. Among the accused it stated categorically that there was no evidence against Owen Lattimore, a man McCarthy said was a major figure in the communist conspiracy.

Lattimore had been Roosevelt's key advisor on China policy. Yet Evans showed evidence from 5,000 pages of FBI files on him -- files released only a few years ago to the public, although the White House had access to them.

However, evidence before the committee showed that Lattimore had supported Soviet policy at every turn, even declaring that the Stalin purge trials in Russia, "sound like democracy to me." With then-Vice President Henry Wallace in Russia, Lattimore compared concentration camps to the Tennessee Valley Authority, and later urged Washington to abandon China to communism and to withdraw from Japan and Korea. FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover, who had fed information to McCarthy, broke with him afterwards, fearing McCarthy would prejudice FBI sources of information for its criminal prosecutions.

Although most of McCarthy's cases involved actual spies and "security risks," the really important issue was that of communist influence over American foreign policy, argued Evans. Harry Hopkins, Roosevelt's closest advisor who lived in the White House, had regular contacts with Soviet intelligence. He helped bring about the disastrous Yalta and Pottsdam agreements. The Morganthau Plan, to prevent German reconstruction and starve the Germans to make them desperate enough to go communist, was the product of Laughlin Currie and Harry Dexter White at the Treasury Department. The abandonment of Chiang Kai-shek by denying military support was the product of "China Hands" led by John Stewart Service, John Patton Davies, and Lattimore. Evans described other major spy networks -- in England, the Burgess Maclean group which infiltrated Washington as well as London.

Reed Irvine, chairman of Accuracy in Media, told how he himself had been a leftist in his early career. He had been against McCarthy, but McCarthy's speeches had made him think and start to read "evidence that I had avoided." He described how all during his military career as a Marine officer and later in Japan with the U.S. occupation he had never hidden his leftist views and later had even been offered a job at the CIA. Irvine argued that real communists were only in the hundreds, but that thousands of leftists, such as he, all feared McCarthy and had wanted him discredited.

Pulling all the latest evidence together was luncheon speaker Professor Arthur Herman. His new book, "Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator," and featured in the Sunday New York Times Magazine, shows the vindication of most of McCarthy's charges. Herman, who is also coordinator of the Smithsonian's Western Heritage Program, said that the accuracy of McCarthy's charges "was no longer a matter of debate," that they are "now accepted as fact." However, the term "McCarthyism" still remains in the language.

Asked whether McCarthy had understood all the forces arrayed against him, Herman said no, that McCarthy hadn't realized he'd be fighting against much of the Washington establishment. President Truman was fearful that exposures would reflect on key Democrat officials, he said, and big media and the academic world were very leftist, a heritage of the Depression and World War II. High government officials also feared investigations of their past appointments and associations with people who turned out to be communists or sympathizers.

That was the reason McCarthy was so demonized, he said.

Joe McCarthy had been a Marine air gunner, an amateur boxer, a county judge and towards his end, under constant attack, he began to drink heavily. Herman said he certainly was over his head and his fall came about after sweeping attacks on General Marshall and the Army. Senator Taft and other key supporters began to draw away from him.

If Robert Kennedy, his competent and well-connected co-counsel, had stayed on, McCarthy might have behaved more carefully, said Herman. An argument with other co-counsel Roy Cohn left Cohn in charge, but Cohn and staffer David Schine were disastrous for McCarthy. Still, McCarthy's original charges helped bring about Eisenhower's electoral victory and the defeat of the Democrats and key leftist Democratic senators such as Tydings of Maryland. Four years after his original charges, Joe McCarthy was censured by the Senate and died shortly thereafter.

On the evening of May 1, 1957, while convalescing from a bout of hepatitis at Bethesda Naval Hospital in Maryland, the courageous Senator was quietly administered poisonous carbon tetrachloride by persons unknown. (Eight years earlier the CIA had murdered Secretary of Defense, James Forrestal, in that same hospital. Forrestal had been working on an expose of Soviet espoinage rings in the Pentagon and treason in the Truman Administration when he was suddenly silenced in 1949).

There is more evidence to come. Herb Rome Stein, another speaker, who started out with the old House Un-American Activities Committee, is writing a book about the Vanona FBI intercepts and their links to other evidence from his comprehensive study in Russia of Soviet archives, made available to Westerners since the fall of communism. His book, The Vanona Secrets, will be released by Regnery Gateway this fall.

© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

Also check out the <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=545&forum=17" >GULAG&Communism Still Operational</a> thread on related issues.
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Draken, McCarthy was so right that the left was forced to pursue its only remaining option to prevent full exposure -- to push the Senator to overextend himself so that he could be ultimately discredited.
First they built him up, using covert promises of unconditional support from the highest circles of American society and encouraging him that the gravity of the issue he was exposing meant that the end justified the means. When he stepped over the line in his fanatic pursuit of the truth, they were there to kick the chair out from under him as planned all along.
While McCarthy can be rightly construed a victim of his ego, his drinking and whatever other human foibles his enemies were able to unscrupulously take advantage of, the truth remains that the problem he exposed really did exist and has only gotten worse.
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