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Old 07-11-2005, 01:31 PM
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Well, I'll tell you this much. I just remember fighting and resisting. I just KNEW that what they were doing was WRONG and they were doing it to me!!I became a FIGHTER!! I had no other choice.

I believe I suffered severly at some point because I didn't obey orders, but ultimately I believe they knew I was working with others and that this caused even more trouble for me.

"Don't fight us. You will not win," they would say. You only make it worse for yourself.

I believe I was working with others inside the intelligence community and intellectuals/researchers who have been gathering information about this cult/covert government for decades. I still hear their words!!!

I was able to retain much of my CORE because it was so frightening when they called out an alter and I didn't remember when my CORE was back what they did to me.

I just couldn't understand why they would think that I shouldn't resist. How they could do what they did and not feel any remorse about it? How could they think that it was okay to use children as slaves, pets, whatever!!

So, I will say this again. I was young. I didn't understand how people could be so cruel. I tried desperately to make sense of it all and so there were those who told me in these exact words, "these men, they have no scruples."

I didn't understand how I could live in America and not be FREE!!! How my own government was doing this to be and, therefore, I had "no where to run and no where to hide."

I would ask what the meaning of scruples was and they/he would say, it means that these people don't know right from wrong.

I, would assume that in my position I was used by the covert government for illegal activities, but also used by the "good" intelligence officers.

So, I guess you could say that I was a "double agent."

Their dirty deeds helped sow the seeds of the passion I feel for the Constitution and the word FREEDOM!!

Incarcerated does definately describe it for me moreso than saying I was victim. Although I was, I don't like to look at myself that way.

They would say, "once a victim, always a victim." As so, there, again, they helped me to never consider myself as such.

Their words:

"You are our slave and we are your masters." You follow and obey our every order and command.

I couldn't stand being controlled!!

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Old 07-12-2005, 01:32 PM
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Check out http://www.datafilter.com/alb/bayesianStopping.html
For a nice article and links for countermeasures against gang stalking scenarios that use trauma-based tactics. There is one caveat I would add, however, and that is that the hard-core behavior mod programs (e.g. penal system and psychiatric hospitals) have docility as a goal. They simply want you to give up and stop resisting. They want you to surrender the sovereignty of your mind and heart to them. This used to be called brainwashing. Now it's gov't subsidised "Training." What a bunch of cr*p!
A word about the mechanisms used for programming: experience teaches us a lot about how to survive and about how things work, but experience does not teach us personally how to avoid and survive many dangerous things. If I had no natural fear of heights, I might get too close to the edge and fall off. I wouldn't learn anything from the drop. This is why we have instinct. Instinct fills the gap that is left by experience. This also means that instinctual fears and desires are the strongest; they are "hard-wired" into the mind. This also is why some of the core trauma-based strategies derive their power from the instincts, or the basic "Limbic" drives. Anyone care to comment?
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Old 07-12-2005, 03:54 PM
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Yes, surrender to them is what they desire; so I became a fighter!! Many children do not have the fighter instinct. They can't resist. They have to surrender through fear and then they are controlled.

They instill the "fear of death" in their victims. Try to make them afraid of everything.

Then the role is switched. The abusers become your protectors. And, the vicious cycle continues. However, I couldn't accept this. Abuse and love never intertwined for me.

I never knew why I was pre-occupied with the thought of dying on a daily basis until I discovered I was a victim of Project Monarch.
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Old 07-13-2005, 10:14 AM
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See http://members.aol.com/smartnews/fivecases.htm for a sample of actions brought against the CIA and subgrantees involved in the MKULTRA program. I call your attention to a very important concept in this document: the statute of limitations for bringing action against the CIA begins to run only when the victim has access to information that the project exists and that he was possibly a victim of it. This is an oversimplification of the rules of discovery, but you get the point. It is stated in court proceedings that the CIA regards the publication of J. Mark's book, "The Manchurian Candidate" as public notification of the secret mind control programs of the 50's, 60's, and the 70's. Think about what that means. If someone wrote a best-seller about MONARCH, would that bring claims against the abusers? Could you file a petition in court for your abuse?
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Old 07-13-2005, 11:03 AM
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See http://members.aol.com/smartnews/fivecases.htm for a sample of actions brought against the CIA and subgrantees involved in the MKULTRA program. I call your attention to a very important concept in this document: the statute of limitations for bringing action against the CIA begins to run only when the victim has access to information that the project exists and that he was possibly a victim of it. This is an oversimplification of the rules of discovery, but you get the point. It is stated in court proceedings that the CIA regards the publication of J. Mark's book, "The Manchurian Candidate" as public notification of the secret mind control programs of the 50's, 60's, and the 70's. Think about what that means. If someone wrote a best-seller about MONARCH, would that bring claims against the abusers? Could you file a petition in court for your abuse?
Okay, so are you saying that John Marks' book was a CIA effort? Is that why there were several boxes overlooked? So, before accepting as TRUTH, the statute of limitations would run out.

However, as far as that issue, if there are two clauses, "when public has information and/or when victim discovers," seems the latter would be the better alternative since the book was written ?? (don't know when and too lazy to check my copy)!!

As far as writing a BEST SELLER about Monarch, well, that makes me SICK. A BEST SELLER!!!! SCREW THAT!!!

Sell the book and give the money to the victims so they can sue the BASTARDS!!! Or, find an attorney who despises the government as much as the rest of us and can devote his time to this effort.

How do you feel about John DeCamp??? Any opinion???

John Marks' book didn't bring claims against the abusers why would a Monarch book accomplish that????

Marks' had evidence in CIA documents re MK and that still didn't bring about any lawsuits by victims except in Canada. If there isn't evidence re Monarch, I don't see how this would be plausible. The book would just be hearsay.

Are you asking if ANYONE who believes they were a victim of MONARCH could file a petition in court if a book were published, my answer is I don't know.

I think that's a question better asked of an attorney.

However, it would be best if all those who believe they were "incarcerated" in Monarch, file a petition if a book were publish and it was a legal course of action that they could pursue.

But, then again, what evidence do you go on for this petition? Recalled memories??? FMSF has already made sure those don't fly in a court of law.

They cover all their bases!!
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Old 07-13-2005, 02:15 PM
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Okay, I acknowledge that there must be a balance between discretion and opportunity, or just good taste in writing, for that matter. Better to expose through the TV and radio, anyway. John DeCamp? I have Ted Gunderson's tape of the Franklin Cover-Up (a.k.a. the Boy's Town scandal) but I have yet to read an interview of DeCamp. I'll go through it tonight. If Larry King and Michael Jackson build a theme park together, I'm leaving the country!
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Old 07-13-2005, 03:21 PM
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"Good taste" in writing doesn't lend itself to the mind control programs or MONARCH.

John DeCamp (ex-Senator of Nebraska) wrote "The Franklin Cover-up." There was a trial involving children who were supposedly involved in the sex, pedophile, pornography rings of (OMG, the names escapes me), Republican supporter, Larry something or other. Of course, it came down to the children being the victims and all other perpetrators were never convicted.

You threw me with the mention of King in your last comment and his name seems to be sticking in my head instead.

Please elaborate. You're speaking about Larry King on CNN?
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Old 07-14-2005, 08:24 AM
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Well, I appear to be bad with names yesterday: J. Marks didn't write the "Manchurian Candidate"; There was a King mentioned in the video pilot about the Boy's Town scandal (a.k.a. The Franklin Cover-Up) so I'll have to go back and review for the facts. Sorry. The video was scheduled to be released and was even listed in the newpaper TV guide, but was supressed at the last minute by You-Know-Who, et al.
Allow me to present a scenario in which invasion of privacy could be justified: the police get a call regarding an EDP (emotionally disturbed person) in the neighborhood. Now, this is happening in a "progressive" little town called Neotopia, CA. They have all the high-tech stuff and are eager to use it. The cops know that the SOP of 24-hour observation in the asylum won't do any good, so they contact the Department of Mental Health. The DMH sends out a team to calm the EDP down by covert means. This means that they use the voice and microwave entrainment technologies to program a signal called an "Off-load" signal. This is the electronic equivalent of what Jose Delgado did to the bull. They might use a standard trigger, such as "Plus, let go", or "Plus, give up", ala the Monroe Institute, but the trigger is really up to the imagination. They will honestly believe that this kind of operation is actuall beneficial to all concerned!
The off-load signal should feel like a gentle little burst of energy in the middle/back of your head, but if done improperly it can result in petit mal seizures. And if these guys make a mistake, so what?
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Old 07-14-2005, 08:43 AM
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It's a subject I need to read up on. Very interesting what you say Bouncer.

I'm a former R.N. E.D, I.C.U, General wards. Also have alot of friends in research.

Just like to say from an everyday point of view that the scientific community has the brain mapped to the 'nth' degree. They know the EXACT buttons to push.

The brain does not just run on "brain chemicals" running from synapse to synapse...things called "microtubles" run throught brain cells and indeed ALL cells of the body and are intimately involved with neurotransmitter production. These microtubles 'vibrate' at specific frequencies. Very specific. It would be easy to interfere or stimulate them.

The fact is the entire body has receptors for and can make "brain chemicals". Look into PNI or Psycho Neuro Immunolgy.

If you are feeling depressed, your WHOLE body is depressed...literally. The white blood cells become sluggish and less active etc...

The body is truely the barometer of the soul.

"They" know this and I believe apply it on a wide scale. HAARP included.

Something I have to read up on.
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Old 07-14-2005, 08:44 AM
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John Marks wrote, The Search for the "Manchurian Candidate."

I think the name of the man supposedly connected to "Boys Town" in Lincoln, Nebraska and the pedophile, pornography, prostitution and sex rings whom DeCamp writes about in his book, "The Franklin-Coverup," is Lawrence King.

I'll have to google because now that I believe that to be his name, it is kind of strange when I think of Larry King on CNN.

He was affiliated with the Franklin Credit Union in Nebraska. Probably a drug and sex laundering credit facility.
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