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Old 04-30-2009, 09:37 PM
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I guess it took five years of torture on a Navy brig by a bunch of GOONS to wake this Al Qaeda sleeper up so he would confess.

Is this man the only 911 suspected terrorist who was held somewhere other than at GITMO?

OBAMA supposedly closed the secret CIA prisons across the globe?

What happened to the prisoners that were being held there?

Who were they and why were they imprisoned there?

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Old 04-30-2009, 09:40 PM
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That's all it takes.

Obama directs the CIA to close their secret prisons and, wallah, they shut 'em all down.

As if Obama has power over the CIA.
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Old 05-12-2009, 07:53 PM
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For those of you who want to say, "WE DON'T TORTURE," you would be mistaken.

If someone is held captive for several years and water boarded once, I wouldn't consider that torture.

However, if someone is held captive for several years and subjected repeatedly to what those in the past Administration refer to as "interrogation techniques," this would be considered torture.

It comes in many forms.

Food, water, sleep deprivation, electric shock.

I wasn't tortured from a very young age by the CIA because I was a terrorist.

I was tortured because I was a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch.
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Old 05-14-2009, 07:30 PM
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I've heard enough about the CIA and their attempt to blame Congress and Pelosi, in particular, for their torturing of inmates at GITMO.

They use Congress as a scapegoat.

If they told CONGRESS that they were going to use water boarding as an "interrogation technique," and CONGRESS said, "NO," do you think the CIA would have walked away with their tail between their legs and abided by Congress' wishes?

Did they seek approval from Congress when they tortured me?

Did they seek approval from Congress before they incarcerated me in MKULTRA/Project Monarch and everyone else who was victimized in these mind control programs/experimentations?

The CIA does what the CIA wants to do.

There is no oversight of this "rogue" organization.

The CIA is protected by the NSA.

Thus, the reason for the creation of the NSA.

The CIA provided false intelligence to CONGRESS and the American people so the invasion of Iraq could be justified.

The CIA funded mind control programs and used American citizens as guinea pigs in experimentation's conducted by some of the same Nazi doctors and scientists who tortured JEWS in Germany during World War II.

These doctors/scientists were given safe-haven in America post World War II when they should have been tried as war criminals.

Don't attempt to present the CIA as a moral and ethic branch of our government.

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Old 05-14-2009, 07:45 PM
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Pelosi: CIA misled her on waterboarding

I'm certain all of the CIA memorandums as referred to in this article can be relied upon as the truth and nothing but the truth.

Pelosi: CIA misled her on waterboarding

AP – Thursday, May 14, 2009.

By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent

David Espo, Ap Special Correspondent – Thu May 14, 5:19 pm ET

WASHINGTON – House Speaker Nancy Pelosi bluntly accused the CIA on Thursday of misleading her and other lawmakers about its use of waterboarding during the Bush administration, escalating a controversy grown to include both political parties, the spy agency and the White House.

"It is not the policy of this agency to mislead the United States Congress," responded CIA spokesman George Little, although he refused to answer directly when asked whether Pelosi's accusation was accurate.

But the House's top Democrat, speaking at a news conference in the Capitol, was unequivocal about a CIA briefing she received in the fall of 2002.

"We were told that waterboarding was not being used," the speaker said. "That's the only mention, that they were not using it. And we now know that earlier they were." She suggested the CIA release the briefing material.

Pelosi also vehemently disputed Republican charges that she was complicit in the use of waterboarding, and she suggested the GOP was trying to shift the focus of public attention away from the Bush administration's use of techniques that she and President Barack Obama have described as torture.

Coincidentally, Pelosi spoke as the CIA rejected former Vice President Dick Cheney's request to release secret memos judging whether waterboarding and other harsh techniques had succeeded in securing valuable intelligence information.

CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said the request was turned down because the documents are the subject of pending litigation, which makes them not subject to declassification.

Pelosi has been the target of a campaign orchestrated in recent days by the House Republican leadership, which is eager to undercut her statements as well as stick Democrats with partial responsibility for the use of waterboarding — a kind of simulated drowning — in the Bush administration.

GOP officials secured the release of an unclassified chart by the CIA that describes a total of 40 briefings for lawmakers over a period of several years. Pelosi's name appears once, as having attended a session on Sept. 4, 2002, when she was the senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. Former Rep. Porter Goss, R-Fla., who at the time was the chairman of the committee and later became CIA director, also was present.

The notation says the briefing was on "enhanced interrogation techniques on Abu Zubaydah ... and a description of the particular EITs that had been employed."

Little, responding to Pelosi for the CIA, said the chart "is true to the language in the agency's records." But he did not say whether the information was accurate.

Instead, he pointed to a recent letter from CIA Director Leon Panetta to lawmakers saying it would be up to Congress to determine whether notes made by agency personnel at the time they briefed lawmakers were accurate.

The CIA has said it could allow congressional staff to review the notes made by briefers who spoke with lawmakers.

The chart specifically notes a discussion of waterboarding in 13 briefings between February 2003 and March 2009, most attended by Democrats as well as Republicans. Two Democrats, Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia and former Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, have challenged the accuracy of some of the CIA's chart.

Pelosi's decision to respond to her critics was something of a surprise, since most polls show Obama and his policies are popular, and Republicans have exhibited virtually nonstop political disarray in the six months since last fall's elections.

Pelosi renewed her call for a so-called truth commission to investigate the events in the Bush administration that led to the use of waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques. While President Barack Obama has banned waterboarding, calling it torture, he has been notably cool toward an independent inquiry that might distract attention from his domestic agenda.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., also has expressed opposition, as have congressional Republicans.

Pelosi was unusually harsh in describing the CIA.

"They mislead us all the time," she said. Asked whether the agency had lied, Pelosi said yes.

Pelosi contended that Democrats did what they could to stop the use of waterboarding. The senior Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, who received the 2003 briefing on the practice, sent the CIA a formal letter of protest, she said. That was a reference to Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif.

But Pelosi said her focus at the time was on winning control of Congress from the Republicans so her party could change course.

"No letter could change the policy. It was clear we had to change the leadership in Congress and in the White House. That was my job — the Congress part," Pelosi said.

Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio, the minority leader, said during the day that Democrats "want to have it both ways" on waterboarding by claiming they did not oppose it even though they criticize it.

Boehner also asked Obama in a recent White House meeting to release the CIA memos that describe the information gained through the use of waterboarding.

Cheney says the documents show that the tactics prevented terrorist attacks and saved lives.

In an embarrassment for the administration, the director of national intelligence, Dennis Blair, told employees in a recent memo that interrogations that included waterboarding had secured useful intelligence. He later issued a public statement that said it was not known whether the same information could have been obtained without harsh techniques — the same position Obama has taken.


Associated Press writers Julie Davis and Ann Sanner contributed to this report.
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Old 05-14-2009, 08:08 PM
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"A CIA spokesman said it is “not the policy of the CIA to mislead the United States Congress.”


That's why the CIA provided "false intelligence" to Congress about Iraq.


It's all Nancy Pelosi's fault that the CIA tortured inmates at GITMO.

Please inform me as to when Nancy Pelosi became the director of the CIA.

I smell a scapegoat in the making.

Nancy Pelosi's war

Nancy Pelosi's war

AP – Pelosi: Bush, CIA mislead me on torture

Glenn Thrush Glenn Thrush – 1 hr 36 mins ago

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s claim Thursday that CIA officials lied to her about waterboarding prompted a sharp rebuke from Republicans, some pushback from intelligence officials and a lukewarm response from at least one high-ranking member of her own party.

Hoping to quell a “what did she know and when did she know it” furor over so-called enhanced interrogation techniques, Pelosi told reporters Thursday that CIA officials “misled” her during a September 2002 briefing by telling her that waterboarding had not been used on terror detainees.

“The only mention of waterboarding in the briefing was that it was not being employed,” Pelosi said during a press briefing. The California Democrat said that the CIA briefers had given her “inaccurate and incomplete information.” Asked whether they’d “lied” to her, Pelosi nodded her head yes.

The Republican pushback came quickly.

Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-Mich.), the ranking member on the House intelligence committee, called Pelosi’s account “Version 5.0 from Nancy on what happened in that September meeting.”

Writing in POLITICO’s Arena forum, former Bush White House press secretary Dana Perino said Pelosi had succeeded only in raising more questions.

“Is she suggesting that career government officials, those very CIA briefers, are the ones that ‘lied’ to her? What would have been their motivation for lying to her but others who got the same briefing not being lied to? Why does she suggest she was powerless?” Perino wrote.

A CIA spokesman said it is “not the policy of the CIA to mislead the United States Congress.”

And on the House floor Thursday evening, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) passed up a chance to back up Pelosi’s charge. House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) asked Hoyer if he also believed that the CIA had intentionally misled the House.

Hoyer’s response: “I have no idea of that — don’t have a belief of that nature because I have no basis on which to base such a belief. And I certainly hope that’s not the case. I don’t draw that conclusion.”

Hoyer struck a more supportive tone when speaking to liberal talk show host Ed Schultz.

“I believe the speaker,” Hoyer said, calling the furor over Pelosi “a stalking horse” and “a distraction.”

“We know things were done. We know that the law — we believe, certainly — was broken, and we ought to find out whether the law was broken. ... I think she’s accurate when she says what she said.”

Pelosi also got support from other House Democrats, including Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), an Intelligence Committee member who said that CIA officials broke the law if they misled Pelosi in 2002.

“If they make a false report, absolutely it’s illegal,” Schiff told reporters. “If they fail to make a report when they’re obligated to, that is also illegal — a violation of the National Security Act.”

Pelosi called on CIA Director Leon Panetta to release full details on the 2002 briefing.

A spokesman for Panetta said the director has agreed to make the notes of Pelosi’s briefing “available at CIA for staff review” — saying aides with security clearances could review them at the agency’s Langley, Va., headquarters immediately.

A Pelosi aide said that wasn’t good enough, because the contents of the notes are classified and can’t be shared with the public.

“We think the best way for this to come out is to release the materials,” said the aide.

Panetta recently released a chart detailing 40 congressional briefings on interrogations — including the September 2002 entry reporting that Pelosi had been given details about “particular” interrogation methods used on detainees.

“The language in the chart — ‘a description of the particular [enhanced interrogation techniques] that had been employed’ — is true to the language in the agency’s records,” a CIA spokesman said in an e-mail.

Hoekstra, who has emerged as Pelosi’s chief critic on the issue in the House, also wants to see more material released. As for Pelosi’s claim that she was the victim of lies, he said: “That’s a very, very serious charge. If you’re the speaker of the House and you say you were lied to on a national security issue, that’s a serious charge.”

Pelosi began her news conference Thursday by reading a statement emphasizing her longtime support of human rights causes.

Then she fielded a barrage of interrogation-related questions from reporters — and continued to answer questions several minutes after her handlers declared the session over.

When asked why she didn’t protest about being misled when she learned in 2003 that the CIA was, in fact, waterboarding detainees, Pelosi replied: “They mislead us all the time.”

She called the entire line of questioning a “diversion” from more important questions about the behavior of Bush administration officials at the time.

“They misrepresented every step of the way, and they don’t want that focus on them, so they try to turn the focus on us,” she added.

Pelosi didn’t dispute accounts, first published in a December 2007 Washington Post story, that she lodged no protest when informed of the administration’s legal rationale for procedures she now regards as torture.

She also reiterated her calls for the creation of a “truth commission” to investigate the matter — an initiative opposed by President Barack Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.).

Pelosi was the ranking Democrat on the intelligence committee at the time of the 2002 briefing. She was the minority leader when she says she first learned second hand in 2003 that the CIA was waterboarding detainees.

Pelosi reiterated Thursday that she supported a letter of protest sent in 2003 by Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), who replaced her as the ranking Democrat on the intelligence committee.

And she defended her decision not to confront Bush officials directly — even after she believed they misled her.

“No letter could change the policy. It was clear we had to change the leadership in Congress and in the White House. That was my job: the Congress part,” Pelosi said.

House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio), speaking to reporters Thursday, repeated his call for an investigation into what members of Congress were told about the interrogations.

“I’ve dealt with our intelligence professionals for the last 3 years on an almost daily basis, and it’s hard for me to imagine that anyone in our intelligence in our area would ever mislead a member of Congress,” he said.

“They come to the Hill to brief us because they are required to under the law. I don’t know what motivation they would have to mislead anyone. And I don’t believe — and don’t feel — that in the briefings that I’ve had that I’ve been mislead at any one point.”

But other members — including former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairmen Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) and Bob Graham (D-Fla.) — have backed Pelosi, saying the CIA chart was full of inaccuracies and mischaracterizations.

Graham, speaking to The Huffington Post on Thursday, said the CIA’s dates for his briefings didn’t gibe with a spiral notebook he used to keep track of important meetings.

“I went through my records and through a combination of my daily schedule — which I keep — and my notebooks, I confirmed and the CIA agreed that my notes where accurate; that three of those four dates, there had been no briefing,” he said.

Manu Raju contributed to this story.
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Old 05-14-2009, 08:26 PM
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Are WE to believe that the only "torture technique" used by the CIA on inmates at GITMO was water boarding?

From someone who was tortured by the CIA, I can assure you that when the CIA refers to "enchanced interrogation techniques," which can be classified as torture, water boarding is not the only "torture technique" they are deploying.

Hence, the reason the word TECHNIQUE is pluralized.

So, kindly tell us what other "torture techniques" were used.

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Old 05-15-2009, 09:33 PM
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The almighty Dick Cheney has said that the "enhanced interrogation techniques" used on detainees at GITMO provided the previous administration with the Iraq/Al Qaeda link.

Why didn't they say this at the time, instead of using beefed up and false intelligence provided by the CIA to justify the invasion of Iraq?

Could be because it is not plausible to base a WAR on information provided to the CIA by foreigners after they have been imprisoned and tortured as the intelligence we need in order to invade another country.

We've heard about water boarding.

Kindly explain what other methods of torture fall under the category of "enhanced interrogation techniques."

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Old 05-16-2009, 08:52 PM
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Torture comes in many forms.

The main purpose is to strip the victim of their dignity and for the torturers to gain total control of their victim's mind.

You are at their mercy and mercy they have not.

The victim's life is in the hand's of their torturers.

One way to strip a victim of their dignity is to keep them in a cell and not provide bathroom facilities.

Defecating on one's self and laying in their own feces is the outcome.

One can choose to eat, understanding that the bathroom will be the floor of their cell or they can chose not to eat and starve themselves to death.

The torturers may tell the victim that their food has been poisoned in order to cause digestive symptoms after they eat and/or a fear of eating.

The victim will be called a disgusting pig for stinkin' up the joint and tortured for defecating in their cell.

So, again.

Eat and be forced to lay in your own feces and tortured for it or chose not to eat so you won't be tortured for defecating in your cell or merely because it is so humiliating you would prefer to starve yourself to death.

Occasionally, a shower will be allowed, but after water torture, water on one's body; especially their face can produce a fear of showering.

Water was provided in a dropper.

A drop or two is all.

Crying was not an option.

To do so meant that another torture session ensued.

I was to suffer in silence.

As soon as I closed my eyes and was able to sleep, I was rudely awakened to another torture session.

Psychologically, this tactic makes the victim afraid to sleep.

Sleep deprivation ensues.

Food, water and sleep deprivation!

Just a few torture techniques.

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Old 05-16-2009, 09:42 PM
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The "Stockholm Syndrome" can be affected in a victim when their CONTROLLER is present during their torture and he provides "false" comfort.

The victim would not be safe in his hands at present or in the future as he is a PIG just like the rest of them.

It is quite obvious as to whom I am referring to when I say that HE is a PIG just like the rest of them.

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