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Old 06-15-2009, 12:25 AM
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Leon Panetta almost brought tears to my eyes.

No Torture. No Exceptions. - Leon E. Panetta

Leon E. Panetta

According to the latest polls, two-thirds of the American public believes that torturing suspected terrorists to gain important information is justified in some circumstances. How did we transform from champions of human dignity and individual rights into a nation of armchair torturers? One word: fear.

We don't trust polls.

Fear is blinding, hateful, and vengeful. It makes the end justify the means. And why not? If torture can stop the next terrorist attack, the next suicide bomber, then what's wrong with a little waterboarding or electric shock?

The simple answer is the rule of law. Our Constitution defines the rules that guide our nation. It was drafted by those who looked around the world of the eighteenth century and saw persecution, torture, and other crimes against humanity and believed that America could be better than that. This new nation would recognize that every individual has an inherent right to personal dignity, to justice, to freedom from cruel and unusual punishment.

We have preached these values to the world. We have made clear that there are certain lines Americans will not cross because we respect the dignity of every human being. That pledge was written into the oath of office given to every president, "to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution." It's what is supposed to make our leaders different from every tyrant, dictator, or despot. We are sworn to govern by the rule of law, not by brute force.

We cannot simply suspend these beliefs in the name of national security. Those who support torture may believe that we can abuse captives in certain select circumstances and still be true to our values. But that is a false compromise. We either believe in the dignity of the individual, the rule of law, and the prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment, or we don't. There is no middle ground.

We cannot and we must not use torture under any circumstances. We are better than that.

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False alarm.

No tears.

Sorry, Leon, but America is not better than what you decribe.

I was tortured.

I am not alone.

I was born an American citizen who was incarcerated in a CIA sponsored mind control program; MKULTRA/Project Monarch that included trauma-based torture and torture in order to silence me as to my imprisonment in this mind control program.

When the CIA comes clean about these programs, I might then consider America better than THAT.

Whatever THAT is.


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Old 06-15-2009, 12:34 AM
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Cheney might be hoping for another attack on America to make his point, according to Panetta.

The Buzz Log - CIA chief on Cheney, Iran violence, Castillo's error: Buzz Weekend Recap - Yahoo! Buzz

What point would Cheney be making if there were another attack on America?

That torture is justified?

The reason given for torture of GITMO inmates was to prevent an attack.

How would an attack on America make Cheney's point?

Panetta on Cheney

In a Jane Mayer profile of CIA head Leon Panetta in next week's New Yorker, Panetta addresses Dick Cheney's scathing criticism of the Obama administration's national security policies. Panetta, who wrote a short but blunt broadside against torture in the Washington Monthly before he took the CIA job, told Mayer: "I think [Cheney] smells some blood in the water on the national-security issue. It’s almost, a little bit, gallows politics. When you read behind it, it’s almost as if he’s wishing that this country would be attacked again, in order to make his point." Ladies and gentlemen on the left, ladies and gentlemen on the right, start your engines...

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Old 06-16-2009, 09:52 PM
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According to Panetta, Cheney has a secret wish of another terrorist attack on American soil to prove him right.

Prove him right about what?

That as soon as GITMO closes and the inmates, some of whom have been held there for almost eight years without charges, are released and no longer tortured, America is in jeopardy of another terrorist attack.

This is the solution that will keep America free from another terrorist attack?

Keep GITMO open; hold inmates there indefinitely; some without charges; continue to torture them and America will never be attacked again by terrorists.

Seems unrealistic to me.

But, hey, that's just me.

Like there couldn't be other groups out there who are plotting and planning and who are not connected to anyone imprisoned at GITMO.

Could be some of the inmates at GITMO were taken there for very specific reasons.

Just a thought.

How pathetic, eh?

On both ends.

Our CIA director believes that a very powerful American politician secretly wishes that HIS country were attacked again in order to prove him right.

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