A challenge! - Page 2

Yeoshua · #11 01-13-2005, 09:06 AM

I'm being serious, there's a whole world out there that I am personally tring to interpret and possibly write about, but please don't wag the finger of blame at TRUE Freemasonry.

The fat cat bastards who control this world might play at being Freemasons, they might try to adopt the mantle of masonry, the governemts, cartels, bankers, Illuminati - whatever you want to call the feckers, please don't call them true Freemasons.

They might call themselves 33rd degree masons - I'm telling you this as a fact, there are only 3 degrees to true Freemasonry.

If you are really interested about TRUE Freemasonry:
http://www.bradford.ac.uk/webofhiram

Also try to read "The Hiram Key" By Knight and Lomas

Ahmad · #12 01-13-2005, 09:16 AM

Peace Yeoshua,

I am against generalizing, many well meaning people join all kinds of societies, sects, religions for different reasons, we shouldn't condemn or label anybody before knowing him i believe.

I just have two concerns for now, and please don't take it as an interrogation, i am trying to understand,

If there are masters, there must be slaves!, how would this hierarchy benefit anyone, do you think a healthy relationship can be based on inequality?

Also, why do you have secrets? why would anybody hide something?

Thanks
Ahmad

Yeoshua · #13 01-13-2005, 09:29 AM

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Ahmad wrote:
Peace Yeoshua,

If there are masters, there must be slaves!, how would this hierarchy benefit anyone, do you think a healthy relationship can be based on inequality?

Also, why do you have secrets? why would anybody hide something?

Thanks
Ahmad

Ahmad,

I believe you are mis-interpreting the term 'Master' think not of it as Master/Slave, moreover Master/Apprentice, if Stonemasonry is our allegorical tool, then there is a natural hierarchy for the Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft and Master Mason.

Let's look at conteporary cinema, the Padowan learner is still answerable to his Jedi Master - LOL Mind you so is the Sith lord (maybe a questionable example).

And our secret are ONLY for us to identify one another, I will tell you anything about Masonry EXCEPT how we identify ourselves.

Yours

Aye

Ahmad · #14 01-13-2005, 09:42 AM

Peace,

"And our secret are ONLY for us to identify one another, I will tell you anything about Masonry EXCEPT how we identify ourselves."

Is it for security reasons ?

Oh, and how you define "transgression"?

Yeoshua · #15 01-13-2005, 09:55 AM

People, before anyone notices, and jumps on my error, I may have been incorrect.

I am a York Rite Freemason. Of which there are 3 degrees.

There is the Scottish Rite, where there ARE 33 Degrees.

http://www.brad.ac.uk/webofhiram/?section=ancient_accepted

This next link is a comprehensive posting of all Masonic bodies.
http://www.mastermason.com/rfire/masonry/comprehensive_list.html

I don't know much about Scottish Rite, except that it is followed in some lodges in the US.

I will attempt to learn more.

madkhao · #16 01-13-2005, 07:26 PM

Yeo! I think you might have waltzed into the wrong site.

Perhaps you thought club conspiracy was a place where you could meet other masons and plan the next unhumane catastrophe.

By all means stay though. Perhaps we can help you undo the brainwash.

freeman · #17 01-13-2005, 10:22 PM

You tell him, madkhao.
Hello, Yeoshua. I've been expecting you. The Evil Craft never leaves any uncriticism unchallenged for long, do they?
There are volumes I could write in rebuttal, but it is only necessary to address a few points, two most prominently.
First, when you, of course, berated us all on the thread about secret signs and symbols for not knowing what we were talking about, you then listed a link to Freemasonrywatch.org. My own post listing secret signs and symbols, including the ubiquitous "Grand Hailing Sign of Distress" WAS CUT AND PASTED FROM FREEMASONRYWATCH.ORG.
Tsk, tsk, lack of attention to detail is such a sloppy habit, but understandable from those operating from a controlled mindset, such as cult members.
As for Hitler, he was a Freemason himself (or Thules society, one of their offshoots), and his alleged persecution of Masonic lodges was largely a ruse; mostly Jewish lodges were targeted, and there are numerous documented instances of Nazi collaboration with Freemasonry. Like George W. Bush, he tried to appease the Religious Right by convincing them that he was attacking all of their enemies, i. e., pornographers, drug dealers, and yes, even the occult, while he secretly colluded with these groups to his own aggrandizement and then discarded them ruthlessly before they could undermine or doublecross him -- a la the Night of the Long Knives.
As far as the post asking me about the Masons' low membership numbers (40,000 total), I frankly don't believe it. I could find you that many Masons within a fifty mile radius of where I am sitting right now. IMHO they deliberately understate their membership to keep from alarming people. If, as we are told by their own defectors, the Illuminati are only 1% of the population, and there are more Masons than Illuminati (since few Masons advance to their ranks), and if we factor in that they have completely infiltrated the political, judicial and corporate spheres, how can 40,000 even begin to approach a realistic tally?
Finally, I would point to DarkChilde's description of his attempt to join up with the Craft. All Masons are subjected to the same paganistic rituals, no lodge is permitted to utter the name of Jesus in prayers or what passes for their worship services, and all are sworn to blood oaths requiring them to show preferential treatment to all brothers, regardless of other considerations. Even if a fellow Mason is a thief, swindler, pedophile -- or even a murderer in the upper degrees -- members are required to both keep his secrets and do everything in their power to aid him, including lying, even perjury on a witness stand. That a country like the United States of America which has enacted legislation against racketeering, discrimination and covert terrorist groups should permit a secret society like Freemasonry to operate unimpeded is unconscionable and can only point toward a much larger conspiracy encompassing all of society.
And yes, there may be a certain number of "nice people" filling out the ranks of Freemasonry's lower degrees, but they still have to be aware of the paganism, blood oaths and fraternal collusion involved, so I don't hold them blameless. I can only assume that most hang on for the fringe benefits, i. e., material success and that "secret edge" they have on everyone else.
That's enoug for now. Hurry back, Yeoshua. I have so much more to discuss with you.

marypopinz · #18 01-13-2005, 10:34 PM

Masons = minions

That is what I have come to know in my 38 years of existence; so our new mason friend is either really blinded by Lucifer's "light" or he is trying to sell the seeing, the devil in disguise. No sale here my friend.

My two cents.. sue me!

XXX

freeman · #19 01-13-2005, 10:36 PM

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My two cents.. sue me!

If he's a real Mason, he will, Mary...and win, as soon as he throws the judge the secret sign.

marypopinz · #20 01-13-2005, 10:56 PM

Thanx for giggles freeman, needed a laugh today.

It is the brilliant minds and beautiful hearts that keep me here. I am just typing along with what I feel and sooner or later I am going to tell someone to fuck off and then I will be banned, so I can't do that, although I could do that in real life.

That's what I don't like about life, when I can't be myself and I have to pretend to be nice. I can't do it. I'm no good at being fake. I am naturally nice and when I'm fucked off, it's generally for good reason, and then I can be a class A bitch. And sometimes I swear as I feel the situation warrants a few curse words.

I'm rambling now and it just really pisses me off when smarmy assholes hide behind their nice words of condemnation, hiding their intentions that I can clearly sense, even in cyber space.

Know what I mean?

Mary XXX