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Old 01-20-2005, 09:53 AM
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The cream of the masons are pedophiles whether you acknowledge that FACT OR NOT.

Of course, that does not mean all the baby minions know what their higher ups are doing, or they are practising the sport of preying on children.

masons = minions
whether they or you, know it or not.

Perhaps I should lay out the Nova Scotia food chain of masons and pedophiles. It includes judges, lawyers, the S.S. squad, doctors, police, principals, teachers, Crown prosecutors... all the way up to the top.

I guess you and me are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I cannot change your mind no more than you can my knowledge.

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Old 01-20-2005, 10:02 AM
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Hi Yeoshua:

If someone wants to scapegoat you, they can easily come up with "evidences" to back up their premise that you're a bad guy. It's really a subconscious mechanism of the mind....to look for all those things that support its hypothesis, and conveniently ignore everything else that contradict it, no matter how glaring the "opposing evidence" might be. That's how Hitler could scapegoat all the Jews in WW2. And the Germans, who were desperately looking for a scapegoat to blame for their problems, fell into this trap.

Perhaps the same thing is happening to the Freemasons now....Victimhood always needs scapegoats to blame it on!

Masonic principles are pragmatic and the need of the hour in today's world. And I'm glad to see that many Masons hold on to it with pride.
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Old 01-20-2005, 10:20 AM
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Pragmatic?

Masons are practical?
They like to play with language, that's true. They also would ike to change the meaning of family life.

Ignorance is not bliss, it is ignorance.

pragmatism: n. 2. an approach that evaluates theories or beliefs in terms of the success of their practical application

Yeah, that sounds like the masons to me...

So, why is it that when a new corrupt member of society enters, he/she is encouraged to be seen in the church, join the rotary or kiwana's and keep the cocaine a secret. Give me a break please!

I will agree to disagree with the masons. I don't like what they stand for and what they have their dirty paws into.

I know what I know and that is that.

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Old 01-20-2005, 11:06 AM
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"So, why is it that when a new corrupt member of society enters, he/she is encouraged to be seen in the church, join the rotary or kiwana's and keep the cocaine a secret. Give me a break please!"

I've personally interviewed a few petitioners for membership, and we're always adviced to look for a high degree of morality and strong commitment to family life as well as society, to even consider the petition. But Masons are humans and it is not possible for humans to be perfect in their judgement. So some corrupt persons do get in. But they're certainly not "encouraged" to keep their dirty activities secret. It's strictly against Masonic norms to indulge in such things.

I've also spent time with several 33 degree masons (the highest degree) and they too are men of exemplary caliber. I've hung out with them a lot and seen it with my own eyes, so I do not need anyone to validate what I've seen.

However, what could happen is this....Many of the illuminists could have infiltrated into the highest degree of Masonry and then started recruiting their own people, telling them to conceal their dirty work. The illuminist Masons must be running their own parallel secret society that abuses the privileges of the Masonic brotherhood to promote their dirty work....I do not deny that it can happen, and I can also see how it can happen.

But that is NOT what Masonry stands for. It's very much like asking why so many Catholic priests are guilty of child abuse, and then blaming Roman Catholicism for supporting child abuse. The staunch Roman Catholics (and also the pope) know that their religion does NOT promote child abuse. It's a distortion and a misuse of power on the part of the priests. If such a thing can happen in the Roman Catholic church, it can happen in Freemasonry too, and I can also see how it would.

I've also met several ex-missionaries who used to be a part of some fundamentalist Christian church. They have told me a lot of very ugly things about Christianity, and what the Christians stand for. And mind you, this is coming from erstwhile PREACHERS....and NOT some ordinary churchgoer. Does this mean that the church stands for all these ugly things? Well, I've also met many Christians who are wonderful people and have strong spiritual qualities that are worth cherishing. If you want to learn about something and what it stands for, you learn from the GOOD examples, and also emulate whatever is worth emulating.

So I'll once again state my stand....I NOT approve of the abuse of Masonry by the illuminists, and if anything can be done in my part to prevent it from happening, I'll certainly do so. But I am very much proud of what true Masonry stands for, and I do state that it's very much the need of the hour. Also, my stand on Freemasonry is NOT dependent on what other people think of it. So, if anyone wants to disagree with me, they are free to do so and I have no problems with it.

We are here to make the world a better place, and I'll support anything that furthers this cause.
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Old 01-20-2005, 06:06 PM
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Diamond,

Come to Bridgewater Nova Scotia and you will understand exactly everything I am saying. You can see it with your own eyes. Read the Bridgewater Bulletin online at tallships.ca with an open mind to what I am saying and then tell me honestly you did not get a sniff of what I am saying.

I SAW THE SAME THING IN ENGLAND.

I have hard evidence hidden all over the world... no joke and it is just the push of a button away from being displayed on the net.

I mean no disrespect and ignorance is not bliss.

Mary XXX



COCAiNE AND MASONREY AND PEDOPHILIA HAND IN HAND THROUGHOUT EVERY BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT. I AM TELLING THE TRUTH.It is sick. It is Satanism.

Is it coincidence that Afghanistan has the best opium = heroin that is currently replacing the cocaine traffic as the Columbians were not easily controlled?

The NWo's grreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed for oil and lust for children has been their achilles heel and their ultimate undoing... the truth is coming to light whether anyone else chooses to acknowledge it or not.

How much faith would you place in a lie?
Masonry = minions
Some know, some don't

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Old 01-20-2005, 09:11 PM
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I've personally interviewed a few petitioners for membership, and we're always adviced to look for a high degree of morality and strong commitment to family life as well as society, to even consider the petition.
Show me one concrete example of a mason being disciplined or expelled for moral transgression.
I have never observed this, although I know from personal experience that they are vehemently punished for violation of the blood oath and not keeping each other's "secrets".
If freemasonry really is this moralistic, fraternal, charitable organization dedicated to "making good men better" that you suggest, then it should be concerned with its public and private image and be willing to disciplline and castigate its miscreant membership as necessary. That is, after all, what the Catholic Church was ultimately compelled to do, as re your example of pedophile priests.

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So I'll once again state my stand....I NOT approve of the abuse of Masonry by the illuminists, and if anything can be done in my part to prevent it from happening, I'll certainly do so.
That's simple enough, diamond. Demit yourself. Is there any other choice, since your masonic hierarchy is totalitarian by nature, and you cannot challenge or criticize them?
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Old 01-20-2005, 10:21 PM
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DESCRIPTION OF THE ORGANIZATION OF FREEMASONRY

Let us hear Masonic author Manly P. Hall describe this two-dimensional organization of Freemasonry. Masonry is comprised of two distinctly different organizations, one visible and one invisible. Hall describes this two-level organization: [Hall was honored by The Scottish Rite Journal, who called him 'The Illustrious Manly P. Hall' in Sept, 1990, and further called him 'Masonry's Greatest Philosopher', saying "The world is a far better place because of Manly Palmer Hall, and we are better persons for having known him and his work"]. This is what Manly P. Hall said:

" Freemasonry is a fraternity within a fraternity -- an outer organization concealing an inner brotherhood of the elect ... it is necessary to establish the existence of these two separate and yet interdependent orders, the one visible and the other invisible. The visible society is a splendid camaraderie of 'free and accepted' men enjoined to devote themselves to ethical, educational, fraternal, patriotic, and humanitarian concerns. The invisible society is a secret and most August [defined as 'of majestic dignity, grandeur'] fraternity whose members are dedicated to the service of a mysterious arcannum arcandrum [defined as 'a secret, a mystery']." [Hall, Lectures on Ancient Philosophy, p. 433]

Many well-meaning men are members of this visible society with no knowledge whatsoever of the inner invisible society. In fact, Albert Pike had some things to say about the brethren in the visible society: "Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism, and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be mislead; to conceal the Truth, which it calls light, and draw them away from it." [Morals and Dogma, p. 104-5, 3rd Degree]

Did you hear these key words from Pike? Masonry is a religion after all, after the order of the Satanic Mysteries, the equally Satanic Hermetic Philosophy, and Alchemy! Masonry conceals its secrets from the brethren in the outer visible society, no matter their rank; only the Elect in the inner invisible society ever know the truth. The poor brethren in the visible society are spoon-fed "false explanations and misinterpretations" of its symbols" -- for what reason? -- those poor guys in the visible society "deserve only to be mislead".

If a man were known to revere Jesus Christ in the beginning of his membership within Masonry, he would be immediately shunted into the visible society, and would never, ever learn the truth. You would never be considered an Adept, or a Sage, or one of the Elect, for those terms are reserved for the members of the invisible society. You would be one of those who were deliberately lied to about the doctrines of Masonry, and given deliberate misinterpretations of its symbols, so that you would merely THINK you knew the Truth.

Pike then completes his instructions to intentionally mislead those members of the visible society, by saying: "So Masonry jealously conceals its secrets and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray." [Ibid., p. 105]

Members of the visible society are referred to as the 'masses', and you do comprise 95% of all Masons. Listen to what Pike says about telling the truth of the organization to the 'masses': "A Spirit", he said, "that loves wisdom and contemplates the Truth close at hand, is forced to disguise it, to induce the multitudes [that is you] to accept it ... Fictions are necessary to the people, and the Truth becomes deadly to those who are not strong enough to contemplate it in all its brilliance." [Morals and Dogma, p. 103, 3rd Degree; Emphasis added]

If a person is not capable of accepting the Truth that inner-core, invisible Freemasonry really worships and serves Satan, then such Truth would become "deadly" to you. Therefore, "fictions are necessary" so visible Masons would not be so devastated that they would leave Freemasonry and expose its inner secrets.

A very recent book also speaks of these two organizations. David Ovason, a noted astrologer, has written a book publised in 1999, entitled, The Secret Architecture of our Nation's Capital: The Masons and the Building of Washington, D.C. This book is not an anti-Mason book; in fact, a glowing forward to this book is written by none other than C. Fred Kleinknecht, 33 Degree, Sovereign Grand Commander, The Supreme Council, 33 Degree (Mother Council of the World), Southern Jurisdiction, U.S.A., Washington, D.C. In other words, the conclusions of this book are highly thought of by one of the most important current Masons in the world today! Listen to what this book says about the two organizations of Freemasonry,

After speaking of the "cosmic astral journey in Masonic terms", Ovason speaks of the meaning of the more common symbols of Masonry. "... Bromwell injected a profound level of esotericism into the bland-seeming symbols used within the Lodges. These proliferate on the so-called tracing boards and carpets ... used by Master Masons to demonstrate Masonic symbols to the neophytes. When not used as an instrument of education, the tracing boards and carpets remain as symbols of the Lodge -- of the inner and outer way of the Craft." [Page 99] So, David Ovason admits that Masonry has both an "inner" [Invisible] and an "outer" [Visible] society. And, Albert Pike has boldly stated that the "neophytes" are deliberately taught untruths about the meaning of the symbols!

New Age author, Bill Cooper has this to say about these two fraternities, one within the other. "Most members of the Freemasons are not aware that the Illuminati practices what is known as 'secrets within secrets' or organizations within organizations." [Behold A Pale Horse, p. 79]

The final example of this "fraternity within a fraternity", the Invisible residing within the Visible, comes from the oldest New World Order planning document known to be in existence. This document is one of the best examples of Automatic Writing, and it details many of the changes societies throughout the world must make in order to achieve the Kingdom of The Christ. This document is known as the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, and is being followed carefully today. Listen as the supernatural author speaks of the two organization within Freemasonry. The author is speaking of the guise by which the Illuminati will ultimately seize dictatorial control.

"7. For what purpose then have we invented this whole policy and insinuated it into the minds of the gentiles without giving them any chance to examine its underlying meaning? For what, indeed, if not in order to obtain in a roundabout way what is for our scattered tribe unattainable by the direct road? It is this which has served as the basis for our organisation of SECRET MASONRY WHICH IS NOT KNOWN TO, AND AIMS WHICH ARE NOT EVEN SO MUCH AS SUSPECTED BY, THESE GENTILE CATTLE, ATTRACTED BY US INTO THE SHOW ARMY OF MASONIC LODGES IN ORDER TO THROW DUST IN THE EYES OF THEIR FELLOWS." [Protocol #11 - The Totalitarian State, Paragraph 7; Emphasis was in the original]

Notice that this supernatural author described the Freemasons of the Outer, Visible Fraternity as "Gentile Cattle" which had been deliberately drawn into the Fraternity for "show" so as to "throw dust in the eyes of their fellows". It turns out that the Masons of the Invisible Fraternity think quite lowly of the Masons of the Visible Fraternity!

But, why should we be surprised, for Albert Pike called the Visible brethren who are just trying to learn what the symbols of the Lodge mean, "conceited interpretors". [Morals and Dogma, p. 105]

By the way, for those of you who have tried to convince me that Albert Pike is discredited today, listen to what David Ovason in his book on the secret Masonic architecture of Washington, D.C., says about Pike:

1. "Albert Pike -- probably the most learned esotericist in the United States ..." [P. 31]

2. "... Albert Pike was a fine scholar in some areas ..." [P. 92]

3. "The learned Albert Pike ..." [P. 366]

4. "... Pike died in his rooms at the temple on April 2, 1891. Seven years later, Congress approved the raising of the Albert Pike memorial ... The statuary is imposing. A larger-than-life, full-length satute of Pike stands on a high pedestal, attended by a lamenting woman said to represent the spirit of Masonry." [P. 321]

Remember, this book was glowingly recommended by the current top leader of Freemasonry, C. Fred Kleinknecht, 33 Degree, as noted above! Obviously, if Mr. Kleinknecht thinks this highly of Albert Pike, then all those people who have tried to convince me otherwise need to take this matter up with Mr. Kleinknecht! The fact is, Pike IS Freemasonry today.

There IS one short paragraph that properly and concisely defines the heart and soul of the Invisible Fraternity of Freemasonry. Let us return to Manly P. Hall for this quote:

"When a Mason learns the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy." [The Lost Keys To Freemasonry, Manly P. Hall, published by the Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, Inc., Richmond, Virginia, 1976, p. 48; Emphasis added]

The Scottish Rite Journal praised Manly P. Hall in 1990 as "Masonry's Greatest Philosopher". One 32nd Degree Mason wrote back to me, stating that he had never, ever heard of Manly P. Hall; yet you can see his book was published by the Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company. The only reason this high-ranking Mason had never heard of Manly P. Hall is that Hall was a leader of the Invisible Fraternity, while this Mason was participating in the Visible Fraternity!

Another 33rd Degree Freemason, Foster Bailey, sponsored his wife, Alice A. Bailey, into Co-Masonry, where she became a key leader. Alice was also the top leader of the House of Theosophy from the 1920's to the early 1950's; she was a prolific writer, admittedly a channeler for a spirit by the name of Master D.K. She had significant revelations to add to this subject of Inner, Invisible Freemasonry.

"There is no dissociation between the One Universal Church, the sacred inner Lodge of all true Masons, and the inner-most circles of the esoteric societies. [Bailey, Externalisation of the Hierarchy, p. 513]

Bailey is saying here that, once you get into the Inner, Invisible part of Freemasonry, there is no distinction possible between this heart of Masonry, the true Universal Church [which we know to be the church of Antichrist], and of the similar inner-most circles of the other secret societies throughout the world.

But, then, Bailey makes an even stronger statement revealing the Inner, Invisible Masonic fraternity. "The Masonic Movement ... is the custodian of the law; it is the home of the Mysteries, and the seat of initiation. It holds in it symbolism the ritual of Deity, and the way of salvation is pictorially preserved in its work. The methods of Deity are demonstrated in its Temples, and under the All-seeing Eye the work can go forward. It is a far more occult organisation than can be realised, and it is intended to be the training school for the coming advanced occultists." [Bailey, Externalisation of the Hierarchy, p. 511]

Since the meaning of the word, "occult", is "hidden", or "invisible", we know that Bailey is here speaking of the Inner, Invisible part of Freemasonry. And, not only is does this Invisible Fraternity exist, it is intended to be the training ground for the coming advanced occultists!!

THIS is the Invisible Freemasonry, about which you have been kept in ignorance all along! To verify this fact even further, we encourage you to go to the publishing and distribution house of Invisible Freemasonry, Kessinger's Freemasonry and Occult Publishing; Kessinger's publishes all the old, formerly very secret Masonic books of the Invisible Society. The address is http://www.kessingerpub.com/ and we encourage you to peruse the subjects they have listed at the very bottom of their Home Page, noting the extremely Satanic, anti-Christian subjects of which the Invisible Fraternity is comprised! We have noted a few of these subjects below as Kessinger's has listed them:

Alchemy; Ancient Religions; Astral Body [Satanic practice]; Astrology [Forbidden in Bible]; Auto-Suggestion; Babylonian; Blavatsky, H.P. [one of the most Satanic Black Magick practitioners of all time! Her teachings were studied by Adolf Hitler and provided basis for the Jewish Holocaust]; Buddhism; Card Reading; Chaldean [Babylon and Chaldean Mysteries were brought into total annihilation by God for their severe Satanism, and is the same Babylon condemned in the Book of Revelation]; Christian Mysticism [This is the "Christianity" of Masonry, where every single doctrine is reinterpreted]; Christian Science [Fully anti-Christian but compatible with Masonry]; Clairvoyance [Satanic to the core and forbidden in the Bible]; Color and Sound [Critically important to Satanism]; Cosmic Consciousness [SATANIC]; Crystal Gazing [Forbidden in Bible]; Divination [Forbidden in Bible]; Druidism and Celts [Elevated human sacrifice to highest levels]; Eastern Doctrines; Esoteric Christianity [Redefining Christian doctrines]; Evolution [And you just thought Masonry was compatible with true Christianity]; Fortune Telling [Forbidden in Bible]; Geomancy and Gematria [Satanic]; Gnosticism [Fought against in the Epistles of Paul in the Bible]; Hermetic; Holy Grail [Satanic allegory to produce Antichrist]; Hypnotism; Islam; Karma [Satanic doctrine teaching Reincarnation]; Love and Sex Consciousness [Completely Satanic]; Magic [Forbidden in Bible]; Nature Worship [Sun Worship primary worship of Invisible Freemasonry]; Palmistry [Satanic Divination]; Phallicism [Worship of Male erect Sex Organ!]; Qabalah [Satanic Reinterpretation of Hebrew Old Testament]; Reincarnation; Rosicrucian [Satanic to the core]; Serpent Worship [Not only is Masonry a religion, it worships the Serpent, actually Satan himself]; Telepathy [Satanic communication without audible language]; Tarot [Divination forbidden in Bible]; Transcendental Physics; Zoroastrianism [Satanic cult destroyed by God in Old Testament].

THIS is the heart and soul of the Invisible, Inner Fraternity. The absolute darkest part of this heart is Phallicism, worshipping the erect Male Sex Organ. The obelisk is the major symbol for this worship, which is why you see obelisks everywhere associated with Freemasonry! It is time to stop being deceived, don't you think?!

Listen to Albert Pike speak of the obelisk: "Hence the significancy of the phallus, or of its inoffensive substitute, the obelisk, rising as an emblem of the resurrection by the tomb of buried Deity " [Morals and Dogma, p. 393] Now, you know why you see so many obelisks atop the graves of Freemasons, for it is "an emblem of the resurrection of buried Deity"; the Invisible Mason believes he is becoming a god throughout his life, so the obelisk at his grave is simply the visible manifestation of that belief.

The obelisk was originally created by the Egyptian Mysteries of the Pharaohs, and is spoken of in the Bible. Listen: " King Jehu said to the guards and to the officers, 'Go in and slay them; let none escape'. And they smote them with the sword; and the guards before the king threw their bodies out, and went into the inner dwelling of the house of Baal. They brought out the obelisks of the house of Baal and burned them." [2 Kings 10:26, Amplified Bible]

God Almighty ordered the Satanic obelisks burned, but only after He ordered King Jehu to slaughter the worshippers of the obelisk, also known as Baal worshippers. Thus, the Invisible Freemasonry is devoted to the obelisk worship so forbidden by God as to be worthy of the Death Penalty. Keep this in mind the next time you contemplate the Washington Monument!

Finally, Serpent Worship takes us directly into Hell itself, for Satan stands directly behind this form of worship. This is the Invisible Fraternity of Freemasonry, and I bet you never knew it existed, did you?



Now that you know all this, I encourage you to read The Cutting Edge articles, realizing that they deal with the invisible inner organization. Remember this: we are not participating in a debating society, nor am I trying to win you over to my side. Your precious eternal soul is at stake here; you are participating in the most evil, deceptive organization in the world. Your very participation in the Visible Fraternity gives all demons the legal right to afflict you, to cause you great distress and grief, even though you are totally ignorant of the Inner Fraternity.
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Thanks, 55132. I have read that article previously.
That about covers it, doesn't it?
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55132 Provides a rambling essay there, cut and pasted I'm sure, from an intelligent website dedicated to the deflective paranoias intended to provoke the very hatred and secularisation that many of you bleat on to be trying to prevent. Anyway, I digress........

Diamond, hearty greetings.

I agree with you diamond that many of the more vocal opposers here and many similar sites, are looking for scapegoats, and seem to have found masonry a suitable candidate.

David Icke started the whole damn thing anyway.

For many of you, I would suggest having a look at Jon Ronson's work.
www.jonronson.com

Of David Icke, of The Bilderbergers, of Bohemian Grove.

We're getting a lot of references in these forums, citing various religious texts etc. None more so than the bible, a book where very little of the original script remains.
No, it's a work of fiction compiled in Rome and censored in the Vatican. Yet this is provided as proof that Freemasonry is evil.

Indeed many people follow an autobiographical work, entitled Mein Kampf, and look what type of people they are. Not very pleasant to say the least.

If you believe that the world is controlled by a shadowy elite, if you belive the media is controlled by a shadowy elite, if you believe that even your very thoughts and actions can be controlled by a shadowy elite......why are you jumping on the first sacrificial lamb that they offer you to slaughter? IE: Freemasons

If judges, police, ministers etc are Freemason, it would be an ideal way to let the true minions slaughter them blindly, leaving those key offices free for the true puppetmasters.

Then again IT'S BULLSHIT!
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Come to Bridgewater Nova Scotia and you will understand exactly everything I am saying. You can see it with your own eyes. Read the Bridgewater Bulletin online at tallships.
It looks absoulutely idylic there Mary, I can't find the brainwashy Bridgewater link though, but it certainly looks like a lovely community.

I've often thought Nova Scotia to be a beautiful place, I have friends in Fairbanks Alaska, and thought their home was beautiful, albeit too damn cold in winter.

In fact an album has just popped into my mind "Ultramarine - Nova Scotia" with the song lyric in it "we are observing your earth".....

Superb album, I rank it up there with The Grid, The Future Sound of London, Moodswings, Orbital, Spooky and Fluke.
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