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Old 07-18-2005, 10:15 AM
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Dont think I spend to much time at Vialls website.

I am in Western Asutralia.

Indonesia is close to home.

We had EXTENSIVE coverage and local rports.

That 9.0 earthquake did literally NOTHING and yet it produced a giant tsunami.

You and i can only guess the effects of a 10+megaton nuke put in the right place at great depth.

Extensive studies were done on using tsunami's as weapons by detonating nukes.

I'm not to interested in the details.

I just know that 3 trillion missing defence dollars went somewhere.

Read up your Tesla.

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Old 07-18-2005, 04:51 PM
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Perhaps Vialls sometimes presents his speculations as facts; however, I am certain that much of his research is valid, and it seems to me that he is not attempting to misinform deliberately.

His ideas about the tsunami really grabbed me. I have spent several hours searching the web for conspiracy theories regarding the tsunami, and Vialls' is the only in-depth effort to explain it that I can find written in English. Vialls gives a link to http://www.jp-petit.com/Presse/tsunami.htm , which is a lengthy analysis written in French. I was unable to translate it using his recommended online translator at http://world.altavista.com/ . If Vialls is right, then not only the sheeple, but virtually everbody got fooled, and he deserves the Gold Star, regardless of any deficiencies present in his other works.

He makes it clear that he is speculating that a nuke was employed, which is reasonable. I read on a different forum speculation that electromagnetic weaponry was used. truebeliever speculates that a Tesla technology may have been used. That is also reasonable.

I think Vialls proves his case adequately. The quake on 12-26-04 did not result in significant land damage, nearby authorities measured it initially at 6.4 magnitude, western authorities upped their figures from 8.0 to 9.3 over time, and the US military was ready with overstaffed combat vessels to move in.

Another thread on this forum speculates on the possibility that the internet Gestapo is operational. Here is a clip from Vialls' site:

"Though I rarely send personal messages, it seems worthy of note that within 30 hours of publishing "Asia Tsunami Proved Biggest War Crime in History" on 24 February 2005 , this particular page on all four of my operational servers became invisible to roughly 80% of Internet surfers around the world.

"Because the servers are stand alones and physically distant from each other, it is reasonable to suspect direct sabotage of a sohisticated variety. How it was done I do not know, but for the present at least, the artificial blockage seems to have been removed."

Apparently, there is also an international e-commerce Gestapo. Vialls' tells us:

"Predictably perhaps, I remain permanently barred by American multinationals including Yahoo and PayPal, and more recently have had completely unacceptable restrictions placed on my web page layouts and graphics by others, who for the present will not be named. All seem intent on removing my content from the Internet completely, or in gaining 100% editorial control over my work."

I hit submit, got logged out, and it did not post. Fortunately, I saved it as a text file. Let's try again.
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Old 07-18-2005, 07:52 PM
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Good post Arjuna.

Vialls is one of the most oringinal posters on the web. I enjoy his analysis on things as they make me think even if I think he's being melodramatic and silly.

The evidence is in plain site. Just like those controlled demolition Towers and building 7. The mind cannot get around the details so we explain away what is right in front of us.

I hit submit, got logged out, and it did not post. Fortunately, I saved it as a text file. Let's try again.
Happens to the best of us.

Taking down the internet will be central to their next attack.

Internet 2 is up and running.
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Old 07-18-2005, 08:20 PM
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The NSA cant leave my yahoo account alone?, Since I started my website and started to talk more about conspiracies and such, everytime I go to log into my email, it acts as though I entered the wrong info,which it isn't, it seems that someone is already logged into my account.
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Old 07-18-2005, 08:28 PM
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I am having the EXACT same probs with my hotmail account...refuses to log me in and sends me back to the log in page.

My yahoo account at fascismlives@yahoo.com simply bounces back EVERY e-mail sent to it.

I am now convinced something is up and they are testing software.

There is NO one man/woman watching our internet habits.

It is a keyword, manual "red flag" system busily adding I.P numbers to it's repotoir.

It must really bug them.

I am filing my nails with terror and am off for a "Big Breakfast" at my local sea side Cafe.

I will be having LOTS of fat and salt on my fully fried brekky. Suitably relaxed as the walls fall down around the control freaks and the curtain gets pulled back.

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Old 07-19-2005, 12:02 PM
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There is another possiblity..

I still dont think nukes would be used in such a way that just about everyone could "read" the data coming from that..

but..there is another possibility..which I wont touch on.

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Old 07-19-2005, 12:49 PM
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Well you know their still exploring the genius of Tesla, and his inventions that have the double purpose of benefitting mankind and destroying mankind, and I still think the USS San Fransisco, had something to do with it.
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Old 07-20-2005, 05:28 PM
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Why? Did they feel "population control" was necessary? Do they need more rebuilding contracts?


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Old 07-26-2005, 12:19 PM
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"This was a natural disaster," said Dr Bart Bautisda, chief science research specialist at Philippine Institute of Volcanology and Seismology, debunking the idea that an "eco-weapon" could be used to cause an earthquake or such large-scale tsunamis.

"You would need a very huge amount of energy. It's impossible. A billion tonnes could not do it," Dr Bautisda said.

He said wave activity might be able to be triggered very close to the scene of a giant explosion, but the effect would be a tiny fraction of the tsunamis which travelled thousands of kilometres at the speed of a jet after tectonic plates shifted off Sumatra.

"It's possible to cause vibration, but not sufficient to cause disruption," he said.

"We can tell the difference between an artificial explosion and an earthquake. The mechanisms are different."

Scientific evidence, however, cuts little ice with many conspiracy theorists.

Im sure that Dr Bautisda is in on this conspiracy as well :-P
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Old 07-26-2005, 05:47 PM
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Tesla said that controlling the weather is simply

a feat of real physics and engineering. Alex Jones

has said that whenever the government says

they are working on something to be released in

the future ... be sure of one thing it's HERE


USAF 2025 - Weather As
A Force Multiplier: Owning The Weather

A Research Paper Presented To Air Force 2025


Col Tamzy J. House
Lt Col James B. Near, Jr.
LTC William B. Shields (USA)
Maj Ronald J. Celentano
Maj David M. Husband
Maj Ann E. Mercer
Maj James E. Pugh

August 1996


2025 is a study designed to comply with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force to examine the concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the future. Presented on 17 June 1996, this report was produced in the Department of Defense school environment of academic freedom and in the interest of advancing concepts related to national defense. The views expressed in this report are those of the authors and do not reflect the official policy or position of the United States Air Force, Department of Defense, or the United States government.

This report contains fictional representations of future situations/scenarios. Any similarities to real people or events, other than those specifically cited, are unintentional and are for purposes of illustration only.

This publication has been reviewed by security and policy review authorities, is unclassified, and is cleared for public release.







Executive Summary

1. Introduction2. 3. Required Capability4.
* Why Would We Want to Mess with the Weather?
* What Do We Mean by "Weather-modification"?5. System Description6.
* The Global Weather Network
* Applying Weather-modification to Military Operations7.Concept of Operations8.
* Precipitation
* Fog
* Storms
* Exploitation of "NearSpace" for Space Control

* Opportunities Afforded by Space Weather-modification

* Communications Dominance via Ionospheric Modification

* Artificial Weather

* Concept of Operations Summary9. Investigation Recommendations10.

* How Do We Get There From Here?

* Conclusions


A Why Is the Ionosphere Important?

B Research to Better Understand and Predict Ionospheric Effects

C Acronyms and Definitions


3-1. Global Weather Network
3-2. The Military System for Weather-Modification Operations
4-1. Crossed-Beam Approach for Generating an Artificial Ionospheric Mirror
4-2. Artificial Ionospheric Mirrors Point-to-Point Communications
4-3. Artificial Ionospheric Mirror Over-the-Horizon Surveillance Concept
4-4. Scenarios for Telecommunications Degradation
5-1. A Core Competency Road Map to Weather Modification in 2025
5-2. A Systems Development Road Map to Weather Modification in 2025


Table 1 - Operational Capabilities Matrix


We express our appreciation to Mr Mike McKim of Air War College who provided a wealth of technical expertise and innovative ideas that significantly contributed to our paper. We are also especially grateful for the devoted support of our families during this research project. Their understanding and patience during the demanding research period were crucial to the project's success.

Executive Summary

In 2025, US aerospace forces can "own the weather" by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies to war-fighting applications. Such a capability offers the war fighter tools to shape the battlespace in ways never before possible. It provides opportunities to impact operations across the full spectrum of conflict and is pertinent to all possible futures. The purpose of this paper is to outline a strategy for the use of a future weather-modification system to achieve military objectives rather than to provide a detailed technical road map.

A high-risk, high-reward endeavor, weather-modification offers a dilemma not unlike the splitting of the atom. While some segments of society will always be reluctant to examine controversial issues such as weather-modification, the tremendous military capabilities that could result from this field are ignored at our own peril. From enhancing friendly operations or disrupting those of the enemy via small-scale tailoring of natural weather patterns to complete dominance of global communications and counterspace control, weather-modification offers the war fighter a wide-range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary. Some of the potential capabilities a weather-modification system could provide to a war-fighting commander in chief (CINC) are listed in table 1.

Technology advancements in five major areas are necessary for an integrated weather-modification capability: (1) advanced nonlinear modeling techniques, (2) computational capability, (3) information gathering and transmission, (4) a global sensor array, and (5) weather intervention techniques. Some intervention tools exist today and others may be developed and refined in the future.

Table 1 - Operational Capabilities Matrix

DEGRADE ENEMY FORCES ENHANCE FRIENDLY FORCES Precipitation EnhancementPrecipitation Avoidance - Flood Lines of Communication- Maintain/Improve LOC - Reduce PGM/Recce Effectiveness- Maintain Visibility - Decrease Comfort Level/Morale- Maintain Comfort Level/Morale Storm EnhancementStorm Modification - Deny Operations- Choose Battlespace Environment Precipitation DenialSpace Weather - Deny Fresh Water- Improve Communication Reliability -- Induce Drought- Intercept Enemy Transmissions Space Weather- Revitalize Space Assets - Disrupt Communications/RadarFog and Cloud Generation - Disable/Destroy Space Assets- Increase Concealment Fog and Cloud RemovalFog and Cloud Removal - Deny Concealment- Maintain Airfield Operations - Increase Vulnerability to PGM/Recce- Enhance PGM Effectiveness Detect Hostile Weather ActivitiesDefend against Enemy Capabilities

Current technologies that will mature over the next 30 years will offer anyone who has the necessary resources the ability to modify weather patterns and their corresponding effects, at least on the local scale. Current demographic, economic, and environmental trends will create global stresses that provide the impetus necessary for many countries or groups to turn this weather-modification ability into a capability.

In the United States, weather-modification will likely become a part of national security policy with both domestic and international applications. Our government will pursue such a policy, depending on its interests, at various levels. These levels could include unilateral actions, participation in a security framework such as NATO, membership in an international organization such as the UN, or participation in a coalition. Assuming that in 2025 our national security strategy includes weather-modification, its use in our national military strategy will naturally follow. Besides the significant benefits an operational capability would provide, another motivation to pursue weather-modification is to deter and counter potential adversaries.

In this paper we show that appropriate application of weather-modification can provide battlespace dominance to a degree never before imagined. In the future, such operations will enhance air and space superiority and provide new options for battlespace shaping and battlespace awareness.<v3c15-7.htm#11 "The technology is there, waiting for us to pull it all together;"<v3c15-7.htm#22 in 2025 we can "Own the Weather."

Chapter 1 Introduction

Scenario: Imagine that in 2025 the US is fighting a rich, but now consolidated, politically powerful drug cartel in South America. The cartel has purchased hundreds of Russian-and Chinese-built fighters that have successfully thwarted our attempts to attack their production facilities. With their local numerical superiority and interior lines, the cartel is launching more than 10 aircraft for every one of ours. In addition, the cartel is using the French system probatoire d' observation de la terre (SPOT) positioning and tracking imagery systems, which in 2025 are capable of transmitting near-real-time, multispectral imagery with 1 meter resolution. The US wishes to engage the enemy on an uneven playing field in order to exploit the full potential of our aircraft and munitions.

Meteorological analysis reveals that equatorial South America typically has afternoon thunderstorms on a daily basis throughout the year. Our intelligence has confirmed that cartel pilots are reluctant to fly in or near thunderstorms. Therefore, our weather force support element (WFSE), which is a part of the commander in chief's (CINC) air operations center (AOC), is tasked to forecast storm paths and trigger or intensify thunderstorm cells over critical target areas that the enemy must defend with their aircraft. Since our aircraft in 2025 have all-weather capability, the thunderstorm threat is minimal to our forces, and we can effectively and decisively control the sky over the target.

The WFSE has the necessary sensor and communication capabilities to observe, detect, and act on weather-modification requirements to support US military objectives. These capabilities are part of an advanced battle area system that supports the war-fighting CINC. In our scenario, the CINC tasks the WFSE to conduct storm intensification and concealment operations. The WFSE models the atmospheric conditions to forecast, with 90 percent confidence, the likelihood of successful modification using airborne cloud generation and seeding.

In 2025, uninhabited aerospace vehicles (UAV) are routinely used for weather-modification operations. By cross-referencing desired attack times with wind and thunderstorm forecasts and the SPOT satellite's projected orbit, the WFSE generates mission profiles for each UAV. The WFSE guides each UAV using near-real-time information from a networked sensor array.

Prior to the attack, which is coordinated with forecasted weather conditions, the UAVs begin cloud generation and seeding operations. UAVs disperse a cirrus shield to deny enemy visual and infrared (IR) surveillance. Simultaneously, microwave heaters create localized scintillation to disrupt active sensing via synthetic aperture radar (SAR) systems such as the commercially available Canadian search and rescue satellite-aided tracking (SARSAT) that will be widely available in 2025. Other cloud seeding operations cause a developing thunderstorm to intensify over the target, severely limiting the enemy's capability to defend. The WFSE monitors the entire operation in real-time and notes the successful completion of another very important but routine weather-modification mission.

This scenario may seem far-fetched, but by 2025 it is within the realm of possibility. The next chapter explores the reasons for weather-modification, defines the scope, and examines trends that will make it possible in the next 30 years.

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